Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?
I did not want to reply in this again at all but i have a responsibility
I wont make a strong statement but you should check the details of the belief of king of Najran, if memory serves me right he claimed Isa Alaihis Salam did not Himself claim He Alaihis Salam was son of god. The kings janaza has also been said to have read by RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam. This is cited as reason why ghaiba janaza is not allowed for us. Details are from memory only
This suggests that is why this particular king was chosen and that he was not mushrik, and may have become Muslim.
The position of jurisprudence that wishing merry christmas is prohibited seems across the board accepted, (other then what i have already mentioned)
Be careful with trying to research jurisprudence by yourself. It is the mistake wahabis make.
You are very popular on the board and as such have a responsibility not to misguide those trusting in you.
Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?
My popularity here is not of a resident Mullah. But you should refer original sources for Muslims migration to Ethiopia in 7th century and how they were treated by king and population. For your information Surah e Maryam was recited in Najjashi’s court in the presence of Christian priests and did you consider Arab ambassador a fool who particularly asked Najjashi to ask Muslims to tell their belief about Hazrat Isa (AS). he knew that Muslims belief was in direct conflict with that of Najjashi and his priests (at that time). Najjashi might have converted in future, but not at the time of Makkahs delegation going to him for hand over of refugee Muslims.
Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?
For your information, concept of trinity is as old as 2nd century and Ethiopian Christian were no exception to follow that. Even Christian of Arab were following that when Prophet started his preaching and therefore the passages in Quran to discuss the concept.
Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?
Ok if we accept this probability, which i am willing to, the kings famous statement is his acceptance that Isa Alaihis Salam never claimed to be god. This would INFER that he came out of shirk, leading to same result
Are you trying to overule the jurisprudence position of impermissibility of wishing merry christmas or are you trying to offer a warmer picture of Islam and Muslims? If the latter you need not worry, we are a warm people
Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?
vroom,
I do not / did not read your posts. I do quickly glance when I have time but without focusing much. So no, recently you have not hurt me with any if your posts. The reason I stopped reading you was that from your posts which I did read earlier when I was new, I realised that you were had a habit of frequently declaring other Muslims kafir, takdiri, mushrik, etc etc etc (everything else to declare another Muslim a kafir through your arguments in which you twist Islamic beliefs to impose your extremely intolerant views) who do not belong to the same sector of Islam as yours or who have different beliefs than yours even if they belong to the same sector as yours. I’m not used to that kind of attitude and avoid such people because such attitude creates disharmony & hatred towards Islam and between Muslims. That’s why I avoid your posts.
Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?
I am thinking about your point of view, reply might take some time, if at all, because its not something i am very familiar with
However the tolerance of some christian monks has been vouched for in the Quran. So your pov is not just reliant on the King of Najran incident
This is taken from translation of the translation of Imam Ahmad Raza Khan:
[Maidah 5:82] You will certainly find the Jews and the polytheists as the greatest enemies of the Muslims; and you will find the closest in friendship to the Muslims those who said, “We are Christians”; that is because scholars and monks are among them, and they are not proud.
I have looked at this Ayat in the past and i found it is on the subject of tolerance. The christian monks would be able to tolerate Islam because they tolerated faith, unlike prouder people. Need to look at the tafsirs for this Verse again to be fair
Try reading the history of your own posts. You’ll find plenty if you honestly read your own posts from other muslims’ perspective. These days Im quite busy to spend so many hours here.
Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?
WOW all this over wishing some one Merry Christmas? Dang, this is what is wrong today, majority of the folks are fighting over the microscopic issues but forget the bigger principals. I hardly doubt, God is going to say o so you wished someone Merry Christmas, ok to hell you go. Btw, I don’t mean disrespect to anyone here, just my opinion.
Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?
Definitely, looks like it. The hard part is living through it though. Some just turn a blind eye because they don’t want to deal with the frustration, others just have a discussion about it among themselves and move on, clearing the way for the uneducated to hold the spotlight.
Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?
Why do Muslims ask such questions? Does God have nothing better to punish you for besides wishing some Christian a “Merry Christmans,” and indulging in the joys of a shared human moment ?!?!
If thats the worst you have done, I think you can be fairly confident that your not hell bound.