Firstly, in case you have problems reading, I said the MQM has problems accepting refugees, infact they have problems with the existing Pakhtuns there too, whom their mayor and leader has labelled terrorists and extremists. Secondly, in case you dont think MQM is stopping ppl from coming over, check this out, recent news:
p.s. let alone providing shelters, provide them entry first…
**I'm glad you agree now that it's not the Karachi **people have problems with afghanis or pashtuns. We know the Paki govt has always been corrupt and many innocent people are targeted for no reason and Afghani/Pashtun aren't the only ones being killed. MQM is like any other political party of Pakistan that doesn't do jack for urdu speaking OR anyone else, they have their own selfish reasons which is to just steal peace from Pakistanis and terrorize them. Like I stated earlier, I have seen many urdu speaking family who lose their loved ones in shootings and strikes. Which politician has done anything to stop it?!
Yes, but where did I initially say its the people of Karachi? MQM, a terrorist mafia is not equal to ordinary civilians.
Why is it always Karachi - why don't we take the entire &%$& population of Pakistan and change your diapers 5x a day and burp you and pat you on the butt to make you go to bed?
There are no other cities to bear the number of refugees? They need to be divided, and a good deal can be supported by building mini-temporary villages near Swat, with donations coming from around the country. You remember how the whole country pitched in for the earthquake victims - similar drives need to be done for these people. Adopt a family or adopt a child kind of thing until this cools over.
That is proof enough that MQM supporters have issues accepting Pakhtuns. What do u mean why is it karachi, I already posted the stats and figures. You dont get to decide who enters Karachi and who doesnt. Anyone who wishes to should be able to. Calling them extremists or taliban wont help either. If they feel there is more oppurtunity in Karachi, more industries for work, then all the power to them, and trust me, they will move there, even if 'bhai' doesnt like it. Question is, what lengths will he go to prevent them.
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What lengths will the land of the five rivers go to deflect it's own responsibility - especially since the taliban was born in some backroom in pindi?
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Forget the people. No leader from the land of the five rivers or any other political party has vowed to kill Pakhtuns, apart from the MQM, in the guise of extremism. Here is one of their racist dons making a clown out of himself in broken english.
you dont even try to deny the graciousness and generosity of MQM. i’d think all those bhattas should make a good little parcel of donation.
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Even the Baluchistan Govt (MQM’s ally PML[Q])took notice of MQM’s racist remarks about Pakhtuns.
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This is what the mayor of Karachi from the MQM had to say to NPR not too long ago.
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
Pashtuns are plotting to take over Karachi, Kamal tells NPR
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KARACHI: City Nazim Mustafa Kamal considers ethnic Pushtun a “threat” to Karachi and believes that they are plotting to take over the city. These opinions came to light in an interview with National Public Radio’s Morning Edition host Steve Inskeep who is in Karachi for their ‘Urban Frontier’ series. Daily Times reproduces the story, ‘Karachi’s Growth Fuels Demand for Illegal Housing’:
Karachi is one of the world’s most populous cities and getting more crowded all the time. New neighborhoods are being built as quickly as people can pour the concrete.
Near the farthest reaches of the Pakistani city, a cement mixer hums and spins in a dusty lot. A workman drops some of the concrete into a wheelbarrow. He then dumps that load into a metal frame and pulls down a handle. A steel mold stamps out eight concrete blocks for one more Karachi home.
Many of these neighborhoods are built illegally on vacant land. Millions of people find homes this way. They generate an entire off-the-books economy.
A few houses are under construction on this barren patch of desert. An Urdu-language banner advertises a model home for the equivalent of $5,000. A look inside one of the houses reveals a two-bedroom home with a tile-floor washroom.
Before long, hundreds of houses likely will squeeze onto this dusty parcel of land in the desert. They’re built of a few simple materials, most of which can be purchased from a single dealer nearby.
You could think of it as a sort of extralegal Home Depot. What it’s called locally is a “thalla,” and the boss is called the “thallawalla.”
The boss of this thalla is named Wahab Khan, and he was dropping off a truckload of concrete blocks from his store.
Khan is a newcomer to Karachi. He hails from northern Pakistan, in the tribal areas near the border. Half his family still lives there.
Two years ago, he joined the other half of the family as they moved to the city. Now, he rents a tiny patch of dirt by the road, where he has set up a cement mixer.
Khan’s employees are rural men who came to Karachi just a few months ago. They live under a little thatch roof a few feet from the cement mixer. The concrete blocks cost the equivalent of 14 cents each. A bag of mortar costs about $4.
Throw in some concrete roofing material, hire some workers for about $3 a day, and you’re on your way to building and selling a house.
Because most locals have no money saved, everything is sold on credit. The electricity, at least, is free. Khan demonstrates how nearby power lines are tapped and how those taps are temporarily removed when government officials visit.
When asked about the danger of using hooks to tap into the lines illegally, he says, “What can we do? We have no choice.”
Because the whole system is outside the law, builders here say they also have no choice in another matter. They say that police, who have a way of dropping by, will threaten to tear down an illegal house unless they’re paid a few dollars.
Occasionally, a whole construction crew will be thrown in jail. It takes a couple hundred dollars to get them out.
The provincial police chief, Inspector-General Muhammad Shoaib Suddle, was not surprised to hear the claims that his men take protection money.
“Of course we all understand that without protection, these things cannot prosper,” he says.
The inspector-general says he recently suspended three mid-level officers for their alleged involvement in land deals. It’s widely assumed that corrupt officials play a role in most of these deals.
The illegal housing system in Karachi has its defenders. A leading urban planner says millions of poor people who otherwise might be homeless find shelter this way.
Still, the new settlements have caused some anxiety. Many of Karachi’s new arrivals have come from the north — from the area bordering Afghanistan, a region that supports the Taliban.
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Karachi’s mayor, Syed Mustafa Kamal, considers these ethnic Pashtuns a threat. In his eyes, they are plotting to take over the city.
“These Pashtuns means like fundamentalist — religiously fundamentalist, religiously extremist,” Kamal says. “They are coming in. When it comes to ethnicity, when it comes to Islam they all are … the same.”**
The mayor gives a tour of the area, driving past squatter neighborhoods and Islamic schools. He passes the area where the journalist Daniel Pearl was found slain. And he points out the window at a bearded man.
“The man who’s coming in front of you … look at him, look at his face,” Kamal says.
The mayor says he is convinced that Pashtuns are planning the locations of the illegal housing settlements. He says they are choosing strategic spots that block his own plans for the city.
“It’s a very strategic location, you see?” Kamal asks. “The superhighway is there. They can control the whole highway. … They had a master plan before me. And they definitely have a master plan.”
Speaking with several residents of the city’s new settlements, it’s clear that not all are Pashtuns. And they seemed to have no master plan beyond their next meal.
Two of the first residents in the desert neighborhood were outside on their knees cutting firewood. They hacked it out of scraggly bushes they’d found.
Shinaz Begum and Razia Begum live side by side with their families. Between them, they have 16 children, none of whom goes to school.
Their husbands are a fisherman and a fruit-drink vendor. Both women work cleaning houses, and they each earn about 2,500 Pakistani rupees per month, equivalent to $37. The monthly installment on each of their houses is 2,000 rupees, or just under $30.
Look at our children’s faces, they say. Don’t you think they’re underfed?
Even so, the women say their precarious existence on this sandy lot in Karachi is better than their past circumstances.
What’s their to deny? The proof is in the pudding and karachi is the largest or one of the largest pashtun/afghan cities in the world. Right now as we speak, Buneris and Swatis are being denied even rented homes in the five darya land.
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^ It is not the largest, and if it is home to many pakhtuns, its because of the pakhtuns themselves, and no one else is to thank for that. Question is, whether the Pakhtun/Islam hating MQM leadership will let them live in peace or continue the organized racist ethnic based genocide which they have carried out over the last few years. Mayor/Don Kamaal has already said how he hates the pakhtuns and calls them all extremists with an agenda. From NPR:
**Karachi’s mayor, Syed Mustafa Kamal, considers these ethnic Pashtuns a threat. In his eyes, they are plotting to take over the city.
“These Pashtuns means like fundamentalist — religiously fundamentalist, religiously extremist,” Kamal says. “They are coming in. When it comes to ethnicity, when it comes to Islam they all are ... the same.”**
And that rented home crap you made up is reminiscent to some indian here calling and claiming how hes a patriotic pakistani.
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Ok, back track. You need to go back to the basics, and stop putting words in people's mouths. I'm not saying Karachi should not be opening its arms. But I am TIRED of Karachi being blamed all the time. You can blame MQM for their policies, that's a different story. MQM might have a distinctly anti-pushtun position for all I know - I wouldn't know because I don't go to their meetings, I'm not a member, and I'm not remotely affiliated with them. But to say that KARACHI as a city, that its people in general, do not welcome the Pashtuns is completely erroneous and UNFAIR, as the city houses so many Pushtun families and as most people do business with them and have come to see them as regular karachiites. Karachi would not be Karachi without the Pushtun population, just like it wouldn't be Karachi were it not for all the other ethnicities that exist there.
So, wipe that idea off your slate - Karachi as a city is not anti-Pushtun. Your heat is with the MQM so leave it as such.
Secondly, Karachi should not and hopefully WILL NOT be the only city housing Pushtuns escaping from this war. Plenty of other cities in Pakistan where Pushtuns can feel at home and where the local population should, even if it means with some danday, open up their arms to these people and offer them a home and a place to earn a living and survive while this war blows over (yeah right, which it wont and its only going to grow, so everyone better get cozy with each other, is what I say). And to say that Karachi has the infrastructure to hold such a mass exodus - uh! YOU have not been to Karachi lately. Their water lines and electrical grids don't have the capacity for everyone. Currently Pakisanis are purchasing (w/o really knowing it) their electricity from foreign owners of the Pakistani electricity, and Karachi can't afford to provide light for everyone (inside info from KESC). Therefore, they don't have proper regrigeration - food goes bad easily --> more infections - hospitals are overflowing and understaffed, job employment opportunities are slim - you think its easy to come to Karachi and make it? No sir. Many families come to Karachi hoping for that because of their miseducation, and they end up on the streets begging.
This is a national problem, and the feds are responsible for dealing with the humanitarian crisis. Which they wont do, because they can't run a country anyway.
Lovely.
^ It is not the largest, and if it is home to many pakhtuns, its because of the pakhtuns themselves, and no one else is to thank for that. Question is, whether the Pakhtun/Islam hating MQM leadership will let them live in peace or continue the organized racist ethnic based genocide which they have carried out over the last few years. Mayor/Don Kamaal has already said how he hates the pakhtuns and calls them all extremists with an agenda. From NPR:
**Karachi’s mayor, Syed Mustafa Kamal, considers these ethnic Pashtuns a threat. In his eyes, they are plotting to take over the city.
“These Pashtuns means like fundamentalist — religiously fundamentalist, religiously extremist,” Kamal says. “They are coming in. When it comes to ethnicity, when it comes to Islam they all are ... the same.”**
And that rented home crap you made up is reminiscent to some indian here calling and claiming how hes a patriotic pakistani.
More pashtuns live in karachi of their free will then in all of punjab. That's the bottom line.
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^another bottom line the mayor said those words despite many pashtuns are living there.