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Depends now doesn’t it on what you see in the media and what you see in real life. You can sit in the west like 90% of GS and comment without knowing any of the on the ground realities because you read something in the news papers. You see all the bad in the news. None of the good. I personally whenever i am in Pakistan find it to be such a moral environment. Far more moral than the west.
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Fat people love morals…they should…no one wants to see them in sexy outfits. :k: (Prophet Chaltahai circa 1999)
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CM I have lived in Pakistan several yrs in a row which covers atleast half my life. I know what happens and how it happens first hand. Noone is questioning or comparing morality so don;t change the topic.
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So Femme, what exactly happens in Pakistan that is so bad?
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What r u ppl on? Who said anything about pakistan being bad? Twits 
All I said that the way of life in Pakistan is not entirely based on religion but culture too and culture is not entirely influenced by religion. Period. Now if u ppl twist this around then I couldn;t care less. Please urself.
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Changing what subject. You just said "No one disagrees to that CM but thats not how it is practised in most of Pakistan." Morality is a very large part of Islam. Actually the largest part when it comes to societal obligations and duties. Islam is practiced as it should be the average muslim man on the street. He owns a small shop, does his business to the best of his ability and goes home to his family.
On the original topic of the thread. The day the hatred will stop is when India and Indians finally realise that Pakistan is an independent nation. Just yesterday at the UN a professor from Seton Hall went nuts. It was very sweet to see the Argentinian, American and EU delegates lambast him publically for insulting Pakistan at the UN. Our delegate kept his cool but the smiles all around our delegation were huge when the Argentinian delegate demanded that the Indian Professor have the UN insignia removed from his list and that others demanded he not be invited back.
Indians do not accept Pakistan as a seperate country. After all you can see the inferiority complex on GS when it comes to the Indians. They call the Holy Prophet a child molestor and insult Pakistan at every turn. They just can't accept Pakistan and until they do there will always be hatred.
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^ Not true,we just don't like fat people with mediocre education and menial accomplishments. We think adult acne is a disease that should be kept away from normal people and that having a closed pyrolic valve makes fat people with bad skin good fodder for ridicule. If they happen to be pakistani, then it is just a little better. :)
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WHat I said was that pakistani culture is not entirely based on Islam. Many of our cultural practises have nothing to d owith Islam. Since u r partially blind let me pinpoint…excessive dowry, extravagance, that karokari stuff whatever u call it to mention a few. These are all cultural traits which have NOTHING to do with what Islam teaches.
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Dear fatima! I wish I could write in detail. Lemme very briefly tell u that it’s different when u see things from a ‘desi’ perspective. To me real indians and Paks are those who are at least born (if not raised) in these countries. Desi can be the best people in the world but their views are shaped by their particular environment.
We’re ready to overlook what happened 50 years ago. But, we’re not ready to overlook what’s happening now. As long as Kashmiris don’t get their right of self-determination (I know, it sounds like a cliche); as long as Indians want to swallow all other smaller nations in South Asia; as long as their media and ‘intellegentsia’ keeps spewing hatred agaist Pakistan and Islam (and at the same time giving false but rosy picture of their society through media; as long as they keep trying to harm us on every international forum; as long as they keep coming to Pakistani forums and google everything bad abt this country, copy and paste it here; we’re going to have problems with them. But, we don’t hate innocent indians who are indoctrinated (like many pakistanis). Your desire for peace is commendable. We’re also desirous of good relations with them but not at the cost of out sovereignty and integrity. I’m sorry, I can’t touch upon eveything for want of time, but I hope you’ll get my point.
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Ok then lets go one by one each of the customs you want to discuss. Lets start off with a list and see what cultural traditions origin from what countries and societies. Now dowry or Haq-e-mahr is an Islamic principle. Just because it has been corrupted due to hinduism doesn't mean it doesn't exist as an islamic principle. Pakistani society is extremely heavily influenced by Islam. Just because you can name 10 things that are not islamic does not mean that the society is not islamic. After all in Islam there is no concept of whole or nothing. Everybody is muslim they need to make sure they are good muslims.
Additionally the more religious and educated do not establish dowry as a pre-requiste to marriage. However in rural marriage it has become tradition and needs to be changed. I agree with that. The idea is intention and not practice. If someone gives his daugther a house as a present or as dowry, the only thing that changes is intention and the word.
Lastly we have a few barbaric and inhuman traditions in Pakistan due to the hindu influence. The most barbaric can be linked to existing hindu traditions. That still doesn't mean that Pakistani society is not Islamic. Since when is anything or anybody 100% Islamic or Muslim.
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Ok CM let me please you.
Our corrupt politicians are a result of Islam.
Our moral duplicity is based on religious teachings.
The poor get poorer due to Islamic teachings.
The rich get richer thanks to Islam.
I could go on.
Pakistans society is not entirely Islamic which is what I started off with. It comprises of religion and culture both and sometimes while following culture ppl let go of religion and sometimes to stay in line with religion one has t olet go of cultural/traditional practises. I don;t know what it is in you ppl that forces your minds to misconstrue what others say even if it isn;t being said in a negative light. Extra touchy I guess, can;t do much about that.
I know dowry is islamic that is why i specifically mentioned excessive dowry, sometimes unaffordably excessive, sometimes affordable but just for the sake of extravagance. You think shop keepers in India run their shops any differently than they do in Pakistan? You think an average indian's morals are any different than an average pakistani's? whatever the origin of the bad practices they are shared between both countries alike for most part and if we muslims are supposed to be better we might have had the sense to drop all such practises but no we didnt did we? Makes us look weaker doesn;t it?
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Of course it wont stop . We’ re humans. Most or some, depending how you look at it, are airheads. They are ignorant of each other, and therefore just find it easier to result to hating rather than understanding.
To get “brainwashed” into thinking all people of one country are diots or dirty is like writing up a banner titled " one of the world’s biggest idiots" and sticking it on foreheads. It harms nobody else but ourselves.
However those of us with some sense, learn to live our lives and ignore fools. As we should.
As for a lot of the Islam/Pakistan/culture hogwash, honestly now. If one has no idea of an issue one should remain silent.
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Really? Hmm do you know what Islam is? You know the Bat-ul-Mal system? The social welfare system established in the Islamic world?
But you are going to make baseless acussations please provide the logic behind them. Lets start off with the most simple of the 4 examples you have stated. Corrupt politicans. Please show how our current regime can be held accountable because of the teachings in the Quran, Sunnah or Shariah? Lastly ignorance and a narrow mind makes me touchy. Nothing else :)
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CM r u really this thick? If our politicians were working based off of an Islamic way of life they would be so corrupt? You think if Pakistani society was so islamic we might have had a *bait-ul-maal * and more than half the ppl wouldn't be dying(not literally) in the heat were the privilidged ones have ACs running even in their bathrooms? You think if everyone paid Zakat and it went to the deserving ppl we would still have so much poverty?
Im sure ur narrow mind is responsible for making u so touchy. My sympathies.
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will the hatred ever stop?
When pigs fly.
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And for the slower minds the following was just sarcasm.
Our corrupt politicians are a result of Islam.
Our moral duplicity is based on religious teachings.
The poor get poorer due to Islamic teachings.
The rich get richer thanks to Islam.
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Thank you. So the lack of Islam in a personal life is responsible for these corrupt politicans. After all you rightly say that If our politicians were living based off of an Islamic way of life they would be so corrupt?
The lack of Islam in a person's life is the root cause for this. Secondly 0.34% of the population even if it is that much does not reflect the society as a whole.
So back to being narrow minded does that include making points that contradict your own?
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Read again CM. Read carefully and stop nitpicking. Contradicting for the sake of contradicting is narrow minded.
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Take lessons from Lazy. You aren’t sarcastic or bitter enough in your posts to make it evident (btw i bet 90% of the readers read that as sarcasm - that is why had a follow up post )