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*Originally posted by shahzadqu: *
but the questions is, do you condemn wutever happened to Babri Mosque and very recently wut happened in Gujrat? i haven't met a single hindu who condemns that, they all put it on ISI (nice excuse we've got for our problems)
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As I indicated in the opening post, yes I condemn the destruction of the Babri mosque, even if it is proven that the site originally has Rama's temple / birth place. I'd very much have liked to peacefully workout something with the mosque authorities instead of attacking them for something some stupid invader did.
I have met a lot of other Hindus who also feel the mosque should not have been destroyed.
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I am happy to see such response. I always have believed no religion teaches to hate and destroy others and I have great respect for original teachings of Islam. Islam is is a religion of peace; But its always wrong people , rather their wrong interpretion of the religion, that causes the problem.
But I have one question unanswered yet-
We all know ghaznavi, ghauri and abdali were invadors and they maligned the name of great religion of Islam by destroying the hindu temples and forcibly converting hindus, contrary to belief of Islam to protect such places. But on contrary, they are always glorified in pakistan. correct me , if I am wrong somewhere. Comments and corrections are welcome!
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*Originally posted by Rajhind: *
Interesting point you have made...why are these barbaric invaders resposible for harrendous crimes against humanity are glorified in Pakistan?
What have they(ghaznavi, ghauri and abdalie) done to deserve such glorification?
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The reason those invaders/rulers are "glorified" in Pakistan are because they were Muslims, not because they destroyed Hindu worship places, killed Hindus or followers of other religion. I'd only regard all that because of bias. I don't remember history very well, but whatever I remember there is no account of destroying temples, killing/massacring of civilians as I am sure that will not be counted as a good deed by anyone.
Changez, please permit me to say your history seems either incomplete or selective. Are you telling us with a straight face (or masked face in the avtar) that:
a) you agree destroying others' places and objects of worship is wrong
b) that sinners such as Ghazni and others did that
c) but still you will laud them because they're muslims even though they acted against Islam (by destroying idols, temples etc.)
That's a cop out
This is exactly the kind of thinking I wanted to bring out in this thread.
Remember, the moment you hesitate to condemn these sinners you are automatically endorsing and praising those who destroy mosques. Never forget that.
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
The reason those invaders/rulers are "glorified" in Pakistan are because they were Muslims, not because they destroyed Hindu worship places, killed Hindus or followers of other religion. I'd only regard all that because of bias. I don't remember history very well, but whatever I remember there is no account of destroying temples, killing/massacring of civilians as I am sure that will not be counted as a good deed by anyone.
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Well Your reason might be partially true , but it does not account for many things. Be rational and answer - " Each of these were not from the region and are considered INVADORS in history. If you think of great muslim rulers , then it could have been Akbar the great , Shah jahan, Tipu Sultan and many more , who were born in Indian subcontinent, not invadors like Ghaznavi, Ghauri and Abdali"
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
The reason those invaders/rulers are "glorified" in Pakistan are because they were Muslims, not because they destroyed Hindu worship places, killed Hindus or followers of other religion. I'd only regard all that because of bias. I don't remember history very well, but whatever I remember there is no account of destroying temples, killing/massacring of civilians as I am sure that will not be counted as a good deed by anyone.
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You "hit the nail on the head" by making the above statement.
You have highlighted the exact mind set of most muslims..that is it is okay to slaughter the unbelivers.
The reason those invaders/rulers are "glorified" in Pakistan are because they were Muslims, not because they destroyed Hindu worship places, killed Hindus or followers of other religion.***
So it is okay to glorify Muslims who slaugtered thousands of innocent hindus!!!!!!!!
Is this what Quran teaches you!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps you would like to educate us on what Quran has says about killing non-believers...
I suggest you study the history and enlighten yourself!!!!
for God’s sake, read all my replies. And stop playing like kids.
I don’t agree with destroying worship places of any religion. Now repeat it 100 times if you can’t remember that.
Our history (whatever we are taught in our schools) does not tell us that Hindus (civilians) were massacred, only armies were killed during war/fighting.
I don’t ‘laud’ them. I told you a “possible” reason why they are lauded in our country/history.
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*Originally posted by The_Indian_teen: *
Well Your reason might be partially true , but it does not account for many things. Be rational and answer - " Each of these were not from the region and are considered INVADORS in history. If you think of great muslim rulers , then it could have been Akbar the great , Shah jahan, Tipu Sultan and many more , who were born in Indian subcontinent, not invadors like Ghaznavi, Ghauri and Abdali"
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Any comments/corrections ?
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Honestly I don't remember who came from where and who was born where. I don't even remember who did what. To me if they had done a great job to religion I could've remembered that.
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
Honestly I don't remember who came from where and who was born where. I don't even remember who did what. To me if they had done a great job to religion I could've remembered that.
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OK! I respect your opinion. As you find yourself in a position, where you are unable to judge. But my question is open for other thinkers in this forum.
Its a fact and any book of world history would corroborate what I mentioned earlier. I do have ample respect for any great ruler in Indian history ( that includes pre-partition pakistani history ); But definitely Ghaznavi, Ghauri and Abdali were foreigners and invadors of Indian land and their barbaric treatment with natives is evident in history books. And going by true Islamic ** principles , their deeds were **anti-Islamic. So why are they** glorified in Islamic nation of pakistan **.
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*Originally posted by The_Indian_teen: *
But definitely Ghaznavi, Ghauri and Abdali were foreigners and invadors of Indian land and their barbaric treatment with natives is evident in history books. And going by true Islamic ** principles , their deeds were **anti-Islamic. So why are they** glorified in Islamic nation of pakistan **.
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the reason is that pakistan wants to disown its indian origin.
^ that's nonsense. How can you 'disown' your past? It's like saying you want to resign from being your parent's. You can get some legal paper but the genes that make you up came from them.
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The other reason could be that "historians" in Pakistan "think" that Islam was helped by these rulers, may be thats why they "glorify" those rulers.
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it is cruelty of the individual rulers . akabr was never considered as
cruel. you always hear akabr restaraunt never aurangazep or taimur
restaraunts.
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
it is cruelty of the individual rulers . akabr was never considered as
cruel. you always hear akabr restaraunt never aurangazep or taimur
restaraunts.
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I think Akbar also did one disservice to Islam. I think it was him who created "deen-e-ilahi" by mixing Islam with Hinduism/Sikhism etc.
Yaar you people tried this converting bit..but just doesn;t stick. Nome sayn..keep trying though. Maybe there like a middle gorund. Like namaz at a bar or something....
for God’s sake, read all my replies. And stop playing like kids.