Will Muslims condemn destruction of Hindu temples by Muslims?

I am under the impression formed over the years that:

a) a Muslim is expected by Islam & Quron to try and convert non-Muslims to Islam and
b) a Muslim is expected by Islam & Quron to act against non-Muslim places of worship such as Hindi temples and destroy idols etc.

Am I wrong in this impression? I have asked this before and never get straight answers. Either people get defensive or try to attack with questions like “well, will you condemn destruction of mosques?”. BTW, I have and will condemn destruction of mosques.

BTW I started this thread and it was mistakenly deleted by X2 per http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98651#post1458098. So here we go again.

listen continental brotha' hindu's annihalated babri masjid for building of a temple nobody said anything if we were to destroy ur temples then their would be a uprising which u ppl would call a pakistani backed idea and terrorists sent across the line of control.

don't start a thread when knowing who comits the crime and don't bring islam into it we all no wat its about

Re: Will Muslims condemn destruction of Hindu temples by Muslims?

Salam [means peace] mr. aravamudhan,

hmm…not true. in islam there is no compulsion in religion. we are supposed to live and let live with mutual respect and peace. yes bring the message of islam to everyone, but not force anyone to convert.

not true. if u r giving the example of breaking of the idols in islamic history, that was because they were in the holiest place in islam: the Holy Kaba Shareef…which was meant to become the center for worship for Muslims…
otherwise we are not supposed to destroy other ppl’s places of worship, and minorities r supposed to have full rights in an islamic society…islam is very tolerant of other faiths…

hope my answer helps…
and i am glad to see that being a Hindu ur judgement is not biased on this issue and u still stick to justice and condemn the destruction of mosques…

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a) *a Muslim is expected by Islam & Quron to try and convert non-Muslims to Islam *
First of all, the correct pronounciation would be Quran not Quron :-)

now, as for question, the word "try" is not correct in the context of islamic idiology... Muslims are obliged to convey the message of Islam as according to their belief it is the right of all humans to know the truth as per the faith of muslims, Islam is the true religion. Rest is left on the human beings themselves and their free will.. as Quran itself recognise: "There is no Compulsion in the Religion" ... All those muslims who negate this order of Quran by their actions are not following islam and thus their actions can not justify to redicule Islam itself.

b) a Muslim is expected by Islam & Quron to act against non-Muslim places of worship such as Hindi temples and destroy idols etc.

On the contrary, muslims are ordered to protect such places.... and for the actions, the above argument may suffice..

Edit: thanks irem.. i took too much time to answer and missed your answer earlier which was enough for the matter.. :-)

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a) **a Muslim is expected by Islam & Quron to try and convert non-Muslims to Islam *

First of all, the correct pronounciation would be Quran not Quron :-)

now, as for question, the word "try" is not correct in the context of islamic idiology... Muslims are obliged to convey the message of Islam as according to their belief it is the right of all humans to know the truth as per the faith of muslims, Islam is the true religion. Rest is left on the human beings himselves and their free will.. as Quran itself recognise: "There is no Compulsion in the Religion" ... All those muslims who negate this order of Quran by their actions are not following islam and thus their actions can not justify to redicule Islam itself.

b) a Muslim is expected by Islam & Quron to act against non-Muslim places of worship such as Hindi temples and destroy idols etc.

On the contrary, muslims are ordered to protect such places.... and for the actions, the above argument may suffice..

Edit: thanks irem.. i took too much time to answer and missed your answer earlier which was enough for the matter.. :-)
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welcome :)

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*Originally posted by insolent mods': *
listen continental brotha' hindu's annihalated babri masjid for building of a temple nobody said anything if we were to destroy ur temples then their would be a uprising which u ppl would call a pakistani backed idea and terrorists sent across the line of control.

don't start a thread when knowing who comits the crime and don't bring islam into it we all no wat its about
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Would you like to see the list of temples destroyed by muslims invadors?

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Would you like to see the list of temples destroyed by muslims invadors?
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didn't take long did it! before................................ thats exactly what i thought would happen if i wrote a reply of such context and nature.

"muslims invadors"

rajnikant plzzzz

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*Originally posted by insolent mods': *

didn't take long did it! before................................ thats exactly what i thought would happen if i wrote a reply of such context and nature.

"muslims invadors"

rajnikant plzzzz
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Great....then you now know what the reality is!

Why mods have brought back this thread?
After all round censor this thread looks like a classroom at some madrisa! Funny!

Rajhind, you dont' need to provide the list, i know wut you are talking about, and most famous being the temple of Somnath being attacked by Muhammad Ghazni and many others stories.

but as Irem and Gadha pointed out, thats not our teaching. Islam doesn't teach us that, if that was the case, all of the temples in India wouldve been destroyed during the Muslim rule in India but that didn't happen. Actions of minority doesn't apply to majority and that offcourse DOESN'T apply to the teaching of the religion. I am sure that Hinduism teaches the same respect toward other religions as Islam. Would you say what happened to Babri Masjid was the teaching of Hinduism? offcourse not, or atleast i hope not.

same arguement is going on everywhere around the world that Islam teaches Muslims to kill and fight with "infidels". IT DOESN'T. our teaching is to DEFEND ourselves. people like Bin Laden have used it to their advantage and its so unfortunate that illeterate Muslims think that he or people like him are right.

anyways, hope that helps aravamudhan

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*Originally posted by Rajhind: *
Great....then you now know what the reality is!
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That is a stereotyping problem. "Reality" is far from truth. If those rulers didn't obey Islam, its their problem, Quran/Islam didn't ask them to do so. Its their personal deed, for which I am sure they shall be questioned by Allah swt.

Alright, so if you say Quran doesn't place these expectations on a Muslim, fine and I will accept that.

So will you then condemn those Muslims who did or do such things in the name of your religion?

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*Originally posted by aravamudhan: *
Alright, so if you say Quran doesn't place these expectations on a Muslim, fine and I will accept that.

So will you then condemn those Muslims who did or do such things in the name of your religion?
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What Muslim has a right to condem another? Only God and his angels have that right.

It is not for mortal souls to determine. Its up to God.

And personally, I don't think God would appreciate knocking about anothers faith just to prove rightness.

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*Originally posted by aravamudhan: *
Alright, so if you say Quran doesn't place these expectations on a Muslim, fine and I will accept that.

So will you then condemn those Muslims who did or do such things in the name of your religion?
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What Muslim has a right to condem another? Only God and his angels have that right.

It is not for mortal souls to determine. Its up to God.

And personally, I don't think God would appreciate knocking about anothers faith just to prove rightness over another.

BUT, One of Jehovahs holy commands is that "YOU MAY NOT WORSHIP NO OTHER GOD BUT ME."

Doesn't mean in my thinking knocking about faith. Means that its God decree to worship the one and only God.

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Alright, so if you say Quran doesn't place these expectations on a Muslim, fine and I will accept that.

So will you then condemn those Muslims who did or do such things in the name of your religion?

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yes, offcourse i would. when someone is wrong, someone is wrong, let it be a Muslim, Hindu, Christian or wutever.

but the questions is, do you condemn wutever happened to Babri Mosque and very recently wut happened in Gujrat? i haven't met a single hindu who condemns that, they all put it on ISI (nice excuse we've got for our problems)

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*Originally posted by shahzadqu: *

yes, offcourse i would. when someone is wrong, someone is wrong, let it be a Muslim, Hindu, Christian or wutever.

but the questions is, do you condemn wutever happened to Babri Mosque and very recently wut happened in Gujrat? i haven't met a single hindu who condemns that, they all put it on ISI (nice excuse we've got for our problems)
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What a coincidence...I haven't met a single muslim who condemned
the killings of innocent Hindus in Godhra!

Furthermore I have not yet heard any condemnation against the "Bombay Riots." The same thing happened during the 1993 Bombay riots engineered by Muslims: It was - thus claim many Indian intellectuals - "because they were outraged by the destruction of the Ayodhya mosque" (but whatever the rightfulness or wrongfulness of the razing of Babri Masjid, nobody was killed there, whereas hundreds of innocent Hindus were killed by the bombs planted by Indian Muslims, with the help of Pakistan and the connivance of Saudi Arabia.

In the same way, after the Akshardham temple massacre, that the massacre of innocent Hindus would not have taken place if there had not been pogroms by the Hindus against Muslims earlier in Gujarat.

It is thus good from to time to be reminded of the truth: In India, because of the staunch resistance of the 4,000-year-old Hindu faith, the Muslim conquests triggered one the worst genocides in human history. Entire cities were burnt down and their populations massacred. Each successive campaign brought hundreds of thousands of victims - similar numbers were deported as slaves. Every new invader often made his hill of Hindu skulls.

Thus the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 AD was followed by the annihilation of the entire Hindu population there; indeed, the region is still called Hindu Kush, "Hindu slaughter". The Bahmani sultans in central India made it a rule to kill 100,000 Hindus a year. In 1399, Timur did better: He killed 100,000 Hindus on a single day! Professor KS Lal in his book, Growth of Muslim Population in India, has estimated that the Hindu population decreased by 80 million between the year 1000 and 1525.

Witness the persecution of Hindus in Kashmir, whose 250,000 Pandits have fled their homeland, or the present genocide of Hindus in Bangladesh. No collective memory should be erased for appeasing a particular community.

But, at the same time, their historical crimes should not be denied by conveniently using the Gujarat riots, the one time in recent history when Hindus retaliated against Muslims for atrocities committed. The real question is: Can Islam ever accept Hinduism? Can the Indian Muslim minority ever agree to be governed by the Hindu majority, even though they have more rights and freedom than in most Islamic countries? Can Pakistan ever accept India? Read Sri Aurobindo who said 60 years ago: "You can live with a religion whose principle is tolerance. But how is it possible to live peacefully with a religion whose principle is, `I will not tolerate you?' How are you going to have unity with these people? The Hindu is ready to tolerate; he is open to new ideas and his culture and has got a wonderful capacity for assimilation, but always provided India's central truth is recognised."

We will never be able to fully assess the immense trauma caused to India by the Muslim invasions. Even more difficult would it be to estimate the moral and spiritual damage done to Hindu India as a result of the invasions. But once again the question is not of vengeance or of reopening old wounds, but of not repeating the same mistakes. Unfortunately, the harm done by Muslims conquest is not over. The seeds planted by the Mughals, Ghazni, or Aurangzeb have matured: The burning of the Sabarmati Express, the continuing destruction of temples in Kashmir, Pakistan or Bangladesh (see Prafull Goradia's remarkable book, Hindu Masjids), or the Akshardham massacre are proof that many of India's and Pakistan's Muslims have forgotten that they were once peaceful Hindus, forcibly converted to a religion they hated.

When will the good muslim acknowledge the damage their religion has cause to the hindus and condemn these crimes against humanity?

okay bhai

I condemn the lame actions of the muslim invadors
I condemn the lame actions of muslims involved in damage to others, at any place, at any time in history.

khush?

lemme add.

I condemn the lame actions of anyone of any religion, race or nationality who has done anything to harm anyone of any race, religion or nationality.

Rajhind, i am not gonna get into the argument that how many hindus were killed and how many muslims were killed since i dont' know the history of India that well. and i dont' even know if the dates and numbers that you are throwing at me are factual or not, cause i can come up with a huge list too.

All i know that no matter who is killing and who is being killed in the name of religion, its wrong. i asked u a simple question. The question was asked by aravamudhan that and i quote "Will Muslims condemn destruction of Hindu temples by Muslim?" and he asked if we were encourged by our religion. the answer is YES, we will condemn such acts and NO, our religion DOES NOT teaches us to kill innocent civilians in the name of Allah

:k:

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*Originally posted by Rajhind: *

What a coincidence...I haven't met a single muslim who condemned
the killings of innocent Hindus in Godhra!
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When will the good muslim acknowledge the damage their religion has cause to the hindus and condemn these crimes against humanity?
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Dont be judgemental .. we actually condemned all the acts done by extrmists muslims who kill innocents in Godhra or in any temples.. we always acknowledge damage done by individuals who were muslims but not as u have wrongly mentioned "damage their religion" has caused! these individuals would had done the same even if they were christians, hindus or jews.. good and bad individuals are everywhere , in every society and nation.. but u should also check how many hindus are zealts and barbaric.. the day we stop looking at others faults and glance over ones own the world would be abetter one.. history is full of instances where some tyrrant muslim ruler detroyes temples and churches of other faiths but restored by faithful muslims.. its heartening that we had vast majority of great and just rulers and thats reason whu Islam spread at all corners of world.. ur just bringing some bleak instances of muslims ..look around u will fing great muslims if u want to..