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it seems to be that anything you want to do in Pakistan just cannot be done without any objections.
Were there not nay objections against Laal Mosque but the establishment done it. Were there not any objections against operations in Fata but the the establishment still went ahead. Then why are listening to these objections?
I say if they need to build Kalabagh or Basha dams then build them.
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They have already offered to give all the power royalty to NWFP/KP. It's a political debate. Most of the parties opposing Kalabagh are ethnic parties to begin with, and aren't sincere to Pakistan so you cant expect them to reason.
a few days back gilani passed a statement saying to the effect that had kalabagh been built flood losses would have been averted. this unwarranted statement was followed by a series of curt rebuttals from leaders in sind and khyber pakhtunkhwa, with one minister, albeit in sind, saying that whole khyber pakhtunkhwa would have been “destroyed” had kalabagh been constructed.
it is rather perplexing that smaller dams such as basha dam that others are not protesting to are not being built. at the same time the issue of kalabagh keeps rearing its ugly head in the national discourse. why don't parties sincere to pakistan realize that smaller federating units, which clearly see the dam as detrimental to their interests, will not allow this dam to get built and insisting otherwise just add further credibility to the rhetoric, espoused by many leaders and others in the smaller provinces, of punjab dominating other provinces/hoarding their resources etc...
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If you are pro India yes you are less patriotic. What a kinda dumb question is that.
Some people can't even think about spreading peace. They only know how to hate.
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Yeah peace 
When the enemy is ready to kill you, destory you, that is not when you think of peace. When you have the enemy on its knees, subjugated, then you should be magnanimous and offer peace. Not any other time.
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kalabagh dam would at best have contained 5% of the flood water..the floods were unprecdented in history..nothing could have prepared people for what happened and as far as actual casualties and displacement kalabagh woud not have saved 80% of those who died and are still cut off and at least 40-60% of the displaced would have not been saved. Leave alone K-P why has there been flooding in Balochistan and Gilgit-Baltistan, what benefit would Kalabagh have done for them??
.there was no or little objection to munda, akori or Bhasha dam from even the most die hard opponent of kalabagh. Those dams would have genuianely saved lives, stored water and generated electricity..
If anything the is a kalabagh or nothing lobby in pakistan should be punished for what has happened.
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^ Build all these dams! No body is opposing Bhasha or Munda or Akori dam. Please let poor Punjabi and Sindhi farmers get irrigation water from Kalabagh! It is a natural site and can be built with least damage to the environment compared to other dams.
Can Pakistan match the amounts these 'nationalists' receive from India for opposing it?
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Can Pakistan match the amounts these 'nationalists' receive from India for opposing it?
Ah......thats typical of people like you. Those who oppose them are TRAITORS. Can people not have a different opinion?
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The only country that I see on its knees and subjucated at the moment is my own beloved Pakistan. And I don’t see it will come out of this situation in the near future. So lets not waste our enegies in wars but rather focus on building this nation. Lets focus on giving our people better healthcare, quality education. Forget about India and our enemity with it. What will a common Pakistani have even if we fight a war with India. And lets suppose we kill more of their soldiers than they kill ours. Still what would we have achieved? Nothing at all.
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The only country that I see on its knees and subjucated at the moment is my own beloved Pakistan. And I don't see it will come out of this situation in the near future. So lets not waste our enegies in wars but rather focus on building this nation.Lets focus on giving our people better healthcare, quality education*.* Forget about India and our enemity with it. What will a common Pakistani have even if we fight a war with India. And lets suppose we kill more of their soldiers than they kill ours. Still what would we have achieved? Nothing at all.
Wow.... I already see people like you helping to "build" pakistan. I think the word you were looking for is back-stabbing. Building how ? by opposing the construction of dams, by welcoming hindu's tanks, by licking the feet of uncle sam ? cuz thats the mindset that is preventing progress in Pakistan.
Re: Will crimes of ANP go unpunished ?
The only country that I see on its knees and subjucated at the moment is my own beloved Pakistan. And I don't see it will come out of this situation in the near future. So lets not waste our enegies in wars but rather focus on building this nation. Lets focus on giving our people better healthcare, quality education. Forget about India and our enemity with it. What will a common Pakistani have even if we fight a war with India. And lets suppose we kill more of their soldiers than they kill ours. Still what would we have achieved? Nothing at all.
Yup. Definitely not a Patriotic Pakistani.
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Sorry to butt in, but when is this happening ? And I mean in reality, not in your fervid and fetid imagination .
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Wow.... I already see people like you helping to "build" pakistan. I think the word you were looking for is back-stabbing. Building how ? by opposing the construction of dams, by welcoming hindu's tanks, by licking the feet of uncle sam ? cuz thats the mindset that is preventing progress in Pakistan.
Opposing the construction of A dam does not mean opposing the construction of DAMS. Do you have problem with Hindus or India? So anyone who is SECULAR licks the feet of uncle sam? what does opposing KB have to do with licking the feet of uncle sam? I am sorry to say but you don't make any sense at all.
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Sorry to butt in, but when is this happening ? And I mean in reality, not in your fervid and fetid imagination .
Funnier and stranger things have happened in history. One only has to have the fates on your side.
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While Pakistan 'sold' Sutlaj Beas and Ravi to India in 1960 in exchange for unrestricted use of Indus, Jhelum and Chenab, the Idea was to irrigate Punjab lands using waters from these 'western rivers'. Now that KP and Sindh claim those rivers, Punjab has suffered double jeopardy already while being accused of discriminating smaller provinces.
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Please note where proposed kalabagh dam is.
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Interesting. It would have had a limited impact over all. The Dam would not have stopped the destruction in KP or in Sindh. Interesting indeed.
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^ Build all these dams! No body is opposing Bhasha or Munda or Akori dam. Please let poor Punjabi and Sindhi farmers get irrigation water from Kalabagh! It is a natural site and can be built with least damage to the environment compared to other dams.
Can Pakistan match the amounts these 'nationalists' receive from India for opposing it?
I think that is a classic excuse by KBD apologists, one dam or nothing and anyone opposing it must be a "ghaddar". For the record it wasn't the ANP that opposed the dam first.although they now get the credit/blame ..it was GENERAL and Governor Fazle Haq who first opposed it
The pro KBD lobby in pakistan has never allowed a single other dam to be constructed in pakistan once KBD was stopped except for Ghazi barotha. Leave KBD aside how much flooding could have been prevented by desilting the existing canals and dams?
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^ FYI, Kalabagh Dam was proposed in 1953, even before Mangla and Tarbela, and the site was considered most suitable and efficient for dam construction.
Let me know when any other dam construction was opposed? We do need more power generation, specially clean efficient hydro power.
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kb please read up the letter by Marvi memon ..