Will crimes of ANP go unpunished ?

We all know that had Kalabagh dam been constructed, the damage from floods would have been significantly reduced. ANP’s major argument was that nowshera would drown if the dam is built. So here we are, with noshera already drowned along with thousands of other villages. Thousands have lost their lives and millions of destroyed families are homeless and foodless.

All this just because the pro-india and pro-usa “secular” ANP wouldn’t let Pakistan build the dams because their ugly forefathers had protested against building of dam.

I say that a criminal court should sentence these ANP guys who have indirectly committed genocide. The fate of these ANP terrorists should be left in the hands of all those affected from floods… then we’ll see how many people were really against building kalabagh.

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Stop being a racist [edited]. Where does your family live? I will suggest they build a dam right in the middle of your ancestral home.

Indirectly committed genocide? HA! Now I know taking you seriously would be a waste of bloody time.

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Where the [editedby lusi]-- am I being racist ? I have heard so many pathans cursing ANP myself.
Take your head out of the sand and mind your language. ANP and its supporters who were against the dams should be ashamed of causing the destruction of thousands of lives, you are coming out and cursing the people who are raising questions ?

Where the [edited by lusi] is your ancestral home now ? Isn't it drowned anyway ? along with thousands of other houses ? If the destruction of MY ancestral house could have saved the lives of thousands, I would not hesitate to destroy it myself rather than being a mean and materialistic person like you and ruin the lives of millions just to save my "ancestral home". Just listen to yourself...... big joke !!!

Moreover, following your logic tarbela should have also not been built because it was someone's ancestor's homes on which it was built.

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Blah blah blah. My ancestral home is in India. So by all means flood it. Now where is yours? Lets flood that as well. Lets displace your family, lets make them leave their entire roots and move to some random location to live in a rented house that is not even theirs. That should make them all very happy.

Quick question snookums, where did I curse?

Complaining without any knowledge on the matter simply makes you the cousin of an American red neck hick.

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[Edited: I am sure you can your argument without attacking him. Lusi-]

When tarbela dam was being built, all the people who lived in the area were compensated by giving them houses elsewhere and giving them UK nationalities. To a humane human this would appear a better solution than sitting on your fat butt and letting others drown in pakistan because you wanted to "save your ancestral home"

[Edited by Lusi-]

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Actually it was a factual statement but potato - potato. So where is your home. I suggest we build a dam there. You cool with that? The government can build your parents a nice home at Government substandards.

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I swear, if building a dam at my ancestral home could provide pakistan electricity @1Rs/unit and could save the lives and homes of millions, I wouldn't hesitate a second, even if the compensation offered is not at par.

I don't mean any disrespect to your or anyone's ancestral home and I think there should have been a 200% compensation if the dam was to be built. But what really disturbs me is that how can we equate that with the thousands of lives that have been ruined.

In any case, if Pakistan and especially KP wants to save themselves from another such episode then we need to build dams, otherwise lets just wait for the next tide.

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See now we are making progress. This not an easy issue. Yes Pakistan needs electricity. Yes Pakistan needs dams. But we can not make those at the expense of the Pakistani people themselves. And all voices should be heard. I am completely in favor of Kalabagh dam, but to consider it criminal and act of genocide is going beyond reason.

The emphasis should be to reason with the people who have issues with the dam. And not victimize them.

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I dont really think ANP is really worried about displaced people or sinking towns. This would happen if you build a dam anywhere. Towns get submerged and people get displaced with almost every dam being constructed.

The issue is that the power generation turbines for the dam would be located in Punjab and royalty for the power generated would go to Punjab. This is somehow non acceptable for KP and Sindhi 'leaders'. People have been trying to reason with them for decades, with no results. Better forget about it and live on in misery.

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I say that give all the royalty to KP and give 200% compensation to people who will be affected by the construction of the dam, but for the love of God build it.

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No Sir, that is wrong. Would you keep the dam empty all the years waiting for a flood which would fill it? Ofcourse not. We had Tarbela Dam, Munda Dam and Warsak Dams in KP, which couldn't stop the flood so expecting that Kalabagh would have stopped it, doesn't make much sense to me. Lets say, a dam could have stopped the floods, then does it have to be named KALABAGH to stop it? ANP and others have been proposing dozens of small dams in KP. I don't know why kalabagh seems like THE ONLY SAVIOUR to us.

Consider this argument: Person A wants to lock the door of his house. Person B doesn't agree. A theif breaks the windows and enters the house. Now Person B tells person A: See, locking the door wasn't a good idea. Coz the theif has still entered the house. Does this argument make sense?

If you and your forefathers have always found ANP and its forefathers UGLY, and if their being SECULAR has always been a VERY BIG CRIME to you, then it would be a big mistake on your part to expect them to drown their lands to save yours.

Criminal court against anti taliban ANP? what about a criminal court for PRO TALIBAN parties including PML (abcdefg) and the rest of its mullah allies for killing millions in Afghanistan, thousands in Bangladesh, supporting terrorism in Kashmir?

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If instead of flood a massive earth quake had stricken the areas affected by flood , no Kalabagh Dam could save anybody. This is a natural calamity , just be patient , pray to Allah to lessen the pain and suffering of those affected and pray no other calamity strike again in Pakistan. Ameen.

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Please don't embarass yourself by saying that dams didn't help. Talk to ANY water expert (other than ANP ones) and they will tell you that Tarbela and Mangla both played a significant role in preventing destruction in those areas. Secondly, whats wrong with creating a dam and waiting for it to fill either from rain water or flood water. Third, ten alternate dams instead of kalabagh will cost 10 times more and take longer to be created and will genrate about half as much electricity. Therefore its not an efficient solution for Pakistan. Pakistan can afford kalabagh and if thats not acceptable to you guys then lets forget everything. Bye the way, better luck next time with floods !!

Though on a separate note, I think the compensation for the affectees of kalabagh (should it become a reality) should be given enormous compensation. I'd personally contribute to that.

Sorry but you really need some lessons in logic theory. If there was the kalabagh dam, there wouldn't be so much flood water running agape throughout the country.

Once again, you really need some logic theory lessons. Read the news to know that a major part of KP has drowned so by building a dam they wouldn't just be saivng our land, they would be saving their OWN butts in the first place. Second, I refuse to accept that now ANP really represents the people of KP. Yeah they got some votes in the last election, but Gallup polls reveal that their popularity is the least in the province. They have a better shot at passing a camel through a needle rather than winning next time. The innocent people of KP need to wake up and confront their evil plans.

Wow.... now we really see your secular face. No one condones terrorism. But seriously, first guys like you were waiting for indian tanks with flowers, bummer that didn't work out. Next you waited for the red-revolution, bummer that didn't work out either. So now I guess its time that you suck up to old uncle tom.... but I can tell you that won't work either.

PML (etc) do not support these killings and neither does any patriotic pakistani.

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By you guys do you mean KP, Sindh and Balochistan? Because these assemblies have passed unanimous resolutions against it. Who is missing? Oh....Its Punjab :P and Punjab isn't support KB because it wants to SAVE the rest of PAKISTAN from floods or it wants to generate electricity from it. The only reason Punjab wants it is for its own agricultural purposes. If it was for Electricity, hundreds of small dams can be buit in KPand the cost of generation would not be higher as it would by hydropower the same as KB. So how do you expect KP to drown its lands to help grow wheat in punjab which won't be allowed to pass the Punjab/KP border?


If there was any other dam, or many more would it not have the same effect?

Í being one, don't need you to tell me who to choose to represent me. Punjab isn't a paradise either. You better fix your problems their first.

I am secular and PRO INDIA. Does that make me less patriotic? If by your definition of patriotism, it does, then be it.

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First of all, we all know that the current politicial parties in power in KP and balochistan do not actually represent the people as many parties boycotted the elections. So a biased referendum doesn't make much sense. Currently ANP is the worst ranking party in KP and don't even get me started on balochistan.

Secondly, I think your concern is genuine that Punjab should not be able to exploit kalabagh. I say that

  1. All the royalty generated should be given to KP
  2. The agricultural benefit that Punjab gets, KP should get a royalty and a share in that as well.
  3. All the people affected by the construction of kalabagh should be enormously compensated.

Seriously, there is a limit to how much you can fool the people of pakistani through lisaniat.

Obviously you don't need me to tell you to choose someone. And yes punjab is pretty screwed itself.

If you really have ghairat and are pro-india then be a man and tear your pakistani passport and go and start living in India where they will heopfully give the same "indian love" that they gave to 2000 innocent muslims in gujrat.

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If you are pro India yes you are less patriotic. What a kinda dumb question is that.

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yes i agree with Shadan, smaller dams rather than one monstrous dam are needed. flood or no flood, there is no way, and for good reason, that kalabagh will be allowed to get built; it is just naive to expect otherwise.

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They have already offered to give all the power royalty to NWFP/KP. It's a political debate. Most of the parties opposing Kalabagh are ethnic parties to begin with, and aren't sincere to Pakistan so you cant expect them to reason.

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I didn't talk about any referendum. I talked about unanimous resolutions of assemblies. Not just the current assembly with ANP majority but the previous assemblies as well. So don't think its just ANP = ANTI KALABAGH. Its rather KP = Balochistan = Sindh = Anti Kalabagh. Punjab = Pro Kalabagh. Its not about political parties opposing or approving KB. PPP in Sindh is AGAINST KB. PPP in Punjab is in favour of KB. So there are regional interests in it and not political.

There are trust issues between provinces. Unless measures are adopted to build trust, nobody will believe in PROMISES.

You don't have to hate one to love the other. I am a Pakistani and I have the right to have my own opinion while having my own Passport. Passports don't change with opinions. I am a Pakistani Citizen and I love Pakistan.