Wikileaks: Saudi Arabia & UAE funding TTP

I thought that was pretty well known that Saudis and UAE were funding terrorism all across the globe.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/22/secret-us-cables-accessed-by-dawn-through-wikileaks-saudi-arabia-uae-financing-extremism-in-south-punjab.html

Saudi Arabia, UAE financing extremism in south Punjab

By Qurat ul ain Siddiqui | From the Newspaper (7 hours ago) Today

A boy reads verses of the Quran, while studying in a madrassah, January 11, 2011. — Photo by AP/File

KARACHI: A US official in a cable sent to the State Department stated that “financial support estimated at nearly 100 million USD annually was making its way to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith clerics in south Punjab from organisations in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates ostensibly with the direct support of those governments.”

The cable sent in November 2008 by Bryan Hunt, the then Principal Officer at the US Consulate in Lahore, was based on information from discussions with local government and non-governmental sources during his trips to the cities of Multan and Bahawalpur.

Quoting local interlocutors, Hunt attempts to explain how the “sophisticated jihadi recruitment network” operated in a region dominated by the Barelvi sect, which, according to the cable, made south Punjab “traditionally hostile” to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith schools of thought.

Hunt refers to a “network of Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith mosques and madrassahs” being strengthened through an influx of “charity” which originally reached organisations “such as Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Al-Khidmat foundation”. Portions of these funds would then be given away to clerics “in order to expand these sects’ presence” in a relatively inhospitable yet “potentially fruitful recruiting ground”.

Outlining the process of recruitment for militancy, the cable describes how “families with multiple children” and “severe financial difficulties” were generally being exploited for recruitment purposes. Families first approached by “ostensibly ‘charitable’” organisations would later be introduced to a “local Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith maulana” who would offer to educate the children at his madrassah and “find them employment in the service of Islam”. “Martyrdom” was also “often discussed”, with a final cash payment to the parents. “Local sources claim that the current average rate is approximately Rs 500,000 (approximately USD 6,500) per son,” the cable states.

Children recruited would be given age-specific indoctrination and would eventually be trained according to the madrassah teachers’ assessment of their inclination “to engage in violence and acceptance of jihadi culture” versus their value as promoters of Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith sects or recruiters, the cable states.

Recruits “chosen for jihad” would then be taken to “more sophisticated indoctrination camps”. “Locals identified three centres reportedly used for this purpose”. Two of the centres were stated to be in the Bahawalpur district, whereas one was reported as situated “on the outskirts of Dera Ghazi Khan city”. These centres “were primarily used for indoctrination”, after which “youths were generally sent on to more established training camps in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and then on to jihad either in FATA, NWFP, or as suicide bombers in settled areas”.

The cable goes on to quote local officials criticising the PML-N-led provincial and the PPP-led federal governments for their “failure to act” against “extremist madrassas, or known prominent leaders such as Jaish-i-Mohammad’s Masood Azhar”. The Bahawalpur district nazim at the time told Hunt that despite repeatedly highlighting the threat posed by extremist groups and indoctrination centres to the provincial and federal governments, he had received “no support” in dealing with the issue unless he was ready to change his political loyalties. The nazim, who at the time was with the PML-Q, “blamed politics, stating that unless he was willing to switch parties…neither the Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz provincial nor the Pakistan People’s Party federal governments would take his requests seriously”.

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They also getting their some% from that. so why they keep silent.
ladao aur hakoomat karo nation gai bhad mein.

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Fk, saudi & uae. Half of Pakistan's problem are because of our arab a$$hole brothers.

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Saudis are looking for recruits just like Iran tried to spread its revolution. The problem is with Pakistanis who aren't loyal to Pakistan and have no ounce of nationalism for their land to think what their acts would result in Pakistan.

I now really wonder if we were fit enough to be independent or should we have had stayed under the British Empire as goras sure knew how to tighten up the screws in this area.

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^^ Lol you remind me of imran khan. he once said if we stayed under british then they could have made us hong kong by now.

Wikileaks: Saudi Arabia & UAE funding TTP

Similar to a show by Talat Hussain about 2 years back which showed funds and people were coming from Middle east

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/05/22/idINIndia-57187820110522?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&dlvrit=70631
REUTERS - Islamic charities from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates financed a network in U.S. ally Pakistan that recruited children as young as eight to wage holy war, a local newspaper reported on Sunday, citing Wikileaks.

A U.S. diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks said financial support estimated at $100 million a year was making its way from those Gulf Arab states to a jihadist recruitment network in Pakistan’s Punjab province, Dawn newspaper reported.

The November 2008 dispatch by Bryan Hunt, the then principal officer at the U.S. consulate in Lahore, was based on discussions with local government and non-governmental sources during trips to Punjab, Pakistan’s most populous province.

It said those sources claimed that financial aid from Saudi and United Arab Emirates was coming from “missionary” and “Islamic charitable” organisations ostensibly with the direct support of those countries’ governments.

Asked to respond to the report, Saudi foreign ministry spokesman Osama Nugali said: “Saudi Arabia issued a statement from day one that we are not going to comment on any WikiLeaks reports because Saudi Arabia is not responsible for these reports and we are not sure about their authenticity.”

Saudi Arabia, the United States and Pakistan heavily supported the Afghan mujahideen against Soviet occupation troops in the 1980s.

Militancy subsequently mushroomed in the region and militants moved to Pakistan’s northwest tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan, seen as a global hub for militants.

Since then there has been a growing nexus between militant groups there and in Punjab. In recent years militants have been carrying out suicide bombings seemingly at will in Pakistan, despite military offensives against their strongholds.

The discovery that Osama bin Laden was living in a Pakistani town not far from Islamabad until he was killed by U.S. special forces earlier this month has severely damaged ties between Washington and Islamabad.

The United States wants Pakistan to be a more reliable partner in its war on militancy.

CHILDREN SENT TO TRAINING CAMPS

But militancy is deeply rooted in Pakistan. In order to eradicate it, analysts say, the government must improve economic conditions to prevent militants from recruiting young men disillusioned with the state.

The network in Punjab reportedly exploited worsening poverty to indoctrinate children and ultimately send them to training camps, said the cable.

Saudi Arabia, home to the fundamentalist Wahhabi brand of Islam, is seen as funding some of Pakistan’s hardline religious seminaries, or madrassas, which churn out young men eager for holy war, posing a threat to the stability of the region.

“At these madrassas, children are denied contact with the outside world and taught sectarian extremism, hatred for non-Muslims, and anti-Western/anti-Pakistan government philosophy,” said the cable.

It described how “families with multiple children” and “severe financial difficulties” were being exploited and recruited, Dawn reported.

“The path following recruitment depends upon the age of the child involved. Younger children (between 8 and 12) seem to be favored,” said the cable.

Teachers in seminaries would assess the inclination of children “to engage in violence and acceptance of jihadi culture”.

“The initial success of establishing madrassas and mosques in these areas led to subsequent annual “donations” to these same clerics, originating in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates,” the cable stated.

(Additional reporting by Jason Benham in Dubai; Editing by Alex Richardson)

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These cables says that the funds are coming from UAE and Saudi but these cables doesn't tell why Saudi and UAE want to destabilize Pakistan whereas, India and US have openly shown their intentions to get Pakistan in mess...???

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i get saudi arabia.. but what is the uae's angle in all this

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^^ Seems like all the friends of Pakistan were involved in damaging Pakistan wait till we get a cable which says Turkey and China was also sponsoring terror networks in Pakistan while US and India were fighting to save Pakistan

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maybe there are some rogue elements like we say that some rogue elements were involved in mumbai and in sheltering OBL...

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These are CABLES, not ANALYSES. Cables only do reporting.

But in my view, Saudis fund these extremist fasadis because Saudis want to expand their brand of extremist Islam in Pakistan.
This is why Saudi and UAE were the only two countries in the world besides Pakistan which recognized Taliban government.

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Time and again it has been proven that Saudis have destroyed Pakistan and that they are Pak's worst enemies.

Pak's biggest problem today is militancy, and Saudis are directly responsible for creating this mayhem.


When that Saudi diplomat was killed in Karachi then Saudis had no guts to say that it was done by Taliban, because Saudis themselves were the ones who created that monster.

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Rogue elements providing $100 million?

Besdies, the cables also say:

It said those sources claimed that financial aid from Saudi and United Arab Emirates was coming from "missionary" and "Islamic charitable" organizations ostensibly with the direct support of those countries' governments.

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If you think about it, there is nothing new about these cables. Everyone knew the dirty games Saudis and Emiratis play in Pakistan.

Message to all Pakistanis:
Stop considering Saudis friends of Pakistan. They have destroyed our economy, our security, and worst of all they have destroyed the future of our children.
With friends like these, who needs enemies?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/22/us-pakistan-saudi-uae-idUSTRE74L0ER20110522
The network in Punjab reportedly exploited worsening poverty to indoctrinate children and ultimately send them to training camps, said the cable.

Saudi Arabia, home to the fundamentalist Wahhabi brand of Islam, is seen as funding some of Pakistan’s hardline religious seminaries, or madrassas, which churn out young men eager for holy war, posing a threat to the stability of the region.

At these madrassas, children are denied contact with the outside world and taught sectarian extremism, hatred for non-Muslims, and anti-Western/anti-Pakistan government philosophy,” said the cable.

The initial success of establishing madrassas and mosques in these areas led to subsequent annual “donations” to these same clerics, originating in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates," the cable stated.

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:omg:

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once again people posting here are wantonly avoiding accountability of Pakistan. If Saudi Arabia sent you money to do this, what happened to your own brain? It was Pakistanis that took the money did it!

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And who said Pakistani govts were not responsible for it? Zia had already infested people with fasadi ideology in all major institutions, including army and ISI. Thanks (no thanks) to Saudi oil money, there was govt sponsored propaganda in all media outlets eulogizing extremist right-wing ideologies. Since those people shared Saudi ideology therefore they wholeheartedly supported Saudi funding to madressahs and other extremist outlets.

You are saying why they were not using brains. But actually that is not the question. Those people were/are not stupid. They were doing all that believing that all this was good for Pakistan. They were thinking that they can control the menace they were creating.
But they were wrong. Extremism can not be controlled. And sponsors of extremism in Pakistan are realizing it now.


However, now such extremists have been mostly purged from govt, ISI, and army. This is why suicide bombings have increased in Pak. Because Pak is going after them. (Note to Imran PTI: Terrorism won't stop even if America leaves, as long as Pak govt continue to oppose them. Terrorism multiplied in Pak because govt started opposing them, not because America entered Afghanistan).

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Sorry fellow Pakistanis but your Muslim Ummah is nothing but a farce. These arab scums only want Pakistan to fail and treat us like their slaves. I truly feel sorry for the Pakistanis that actually believe in their muslim brotherhood.

Btw another one of our muslim brotherly countries Kuwait has just banned Pakistanis from their country.

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I didn't get that either.

True that.

All these problems show what happens to you when you start accepting "aid" with no close monitoring. I think for next decade or two Pakistan should completely stop any "aid".

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And Shahbaz Sharif is okay with Saudi aid.