Wikileaks: Saudi Arabia & UAE funding TTP

[Pakistan_Zindabad_2]

Re: Wikileaks: Saudi Arabia & UAE funding TTP

Lol, Muslim Brotherhood? My foot.
To hell with the those arabs, our so-called brethren, and their stupid wahabi ideology.

[Nussairee]

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I was in Dubai recently and was astonished to hear friends discuss Emirati interference in Pakistani affairs..............apparently there had been delegation from Pakistan to discuss "matters" with the Emirati rulers................from what I was told, UAE (particularly the sheikhs of Dubai) were interested in keeping the flames going in the Balochistan region......this is to make sure that strategic places like Gwader remain dysfunctional because that diverts all the port revenues to the ports in UAE............

[STA]

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i recently heard china is going to take over gawadr port and will establish naval base there.

[firenze]

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i recently heard china is going to take over gawadr port and will establish naval base there.

is sey kya hoye ga ?

[STA]

Re: Wikileaks: Saudi Arabia & UAE funding TTP

is sey kya hoye ga ?

idk

[firenze]

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@stayyabali

idk

at last a sensible reply :k:

[STA]

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@firenze

at last a sensible reply :k:

IMO, pak defense strategist and military really want china in the loop to balance the power on Western front and reminding them Chinese influence in important area.

[Mirch]

Re: Wikileaks: Saudi Arabia & UAE funding TTP

I was in Dubai recently and was astonished to hear friends discuss Emirati interference in Pakistani affairs..............apparently there had been delegation from Pakistan to discuss "matters" with the Emirati rulers................from what I was told, UAE (particularly the sheikhs of Dubai) were interested in keeping the flames going in the Balochistan region......this is to make sure that strategic places like Gwader remain dysfunctional because that diverts all the port revenues to the ports in UAE............

Seems like a farfetched conspiracy theory to me.

[Janjua39]

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munafiqeen playing dirty games with each other, whats new? who doesn't have a hand in the mess? iran, india, russia, uk, america, china, israel.. list goes on...

[firenze]

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Seems like a farfetched conspiracy theory to me.

actually this is quite real, i also read a report like this few years ago.

[Mirch]

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@firenze

actually this is quite real, i also read a report like this few years ago.

Yep similar kind of theory is very popular in Pakistan as to " Baluchistan has lot of oil , and since the flow of this oil is down stream from Iran to Baluchistan therefore Iran would never let Pakistan , pump its side of oil because Iran’s oil wells will dry out if Pakistan starts pumping its side of oil. So Iran keeps on bribing Pakistan establishment to keep them from doing so.

[Pakilarka]

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@Mirch

Yep similar kind of theory is very popular in Pakistan as to " Baluchistan has lot of oil , and since the flow of this oil is down stream from Iran to Baluchistan therefore Iran would never let Pakistan , pump its side of oil because Iran’s oil wells will dry out if Pakistan starts pumping its side of oil. So Iran keeps on bribing Pakistan establishment to keep them from doing so.

I thought it was true

[Mirch]

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I thought it was true

Really ? You believe so ? I would be interested to know your arguments for believing this theory.

[rangoli]

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tell me about it !!

[Pakilarka]

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Really ? You believe so ? I would be interested to know your arguments for believing this theory.

Well Iran was pretty nice to us back in the days and i wondered why ?

[Captain_FT]

Re: Saudi Arabia, UAE financing extremism in south Punjab

well one cannot blame any sect as a whole. istrah tu brelvi aur shia bhi km dehshatgard nhe hn, shia ko bhi iran support kerta ha pakistan me secterian violence phelanay k liay aur isi trah brelvi ulema bhi puray bdmash hn. so you cannot blame any sect as a whole, yes some part of it can be blamed but not all the sect.

@Shamraz_Khan

I thought that was pretty well known that Saudis and UAE were funding terrorism all across the globe.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/22/secret-us-cables-accessed-by-dawn-through-wikileaks-saudi-arabia-uae-financing-extremism-in-south-punjab.html

Saudi Arabia, UAE financing extremism in south Punjab

By Qurat ul ain Siddiqui | From the Newspaper (7 hours ago) Today

A boy reads verses of the Quran, while studying in a madrassah, January 11, 2011. — Photo by AP/File

KARACHI: A US official in a cable sent to the State Department stated that “financial support estimated at nearly 100 million USD annually was making its way to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith clerics in south Punjab from organisations in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates ostensibly with the direct support of those governments.”

The cable sent in November 2008 by Bryan Hunt, the then Principal Officer at the US Consulate in Lahore, was based on information from discussions with local government and non-governmental sources during his trips to the cities of Multan and Bahawalpur.

Quoting local interlocutors, Hunt attempts to explain how the “sophisticated jihadi recruitment network” operated in a region dominated by the Barelvi sect, which, according to the cable, made south Punjab “traditionally hostile” to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith schools of thought.

Hunt refers to a “network of Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith mosques and madrassahs” being strengthened through an influx of “charity” which originally reached organisations “such as Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Al-Khidmat foundation”. Portions of these funds would then be given away to clerics “in order to expand these sects’ presence” in a relatively inhospitable yet “potentially fruitful recruiting ground”.

Outlining the process of recruitment for militancy, the cable describes how “families with multiple children” and “severe financial difficulties” were generally being exploited for recruitment purposes. Families first approached by “ostensibly ‘charitable’” organisations would later be introduced to a “local Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith maulana” who would offer to educate the children at his madrassah and “find them employment in the service of Islam”. “Martyrdom” was also “often discussed”, with a final cash payment to the parents. “Local sources claim that the current average rate is approximately Rs 500,000 (approximately USD 6,500) per son,” the cable states.

Children recruited would be given age-specific indoctrination and would eventually be trained according to the madrassah teachers’ assessment of their inclination “to engage in violence and acceptance of jihadi culture” versus their value as promoters of Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith sects or recruiters, the cable states.

Recruits “chosen for jihad” would then be taken to “more sophisticated indoctrination camps”. “Locals identified three centres reportedly used for this purpose”. Two of the centres were stated to be in the Bahawalpur district, whereas one was reported as situated “on the outskirts of Dera Ghazi Khan city”. These centres “were primarily used for indoctrination”, after which “youths were generally sent on to more established training camps in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and then on to jihad either in FATA, NWFP, or as suicide bombers in settled areas”.

The cable goes on to quote local officials criticising the PML-N-led provincial and the PPP-led federal governments for their “failure to act” against “extremist madrassas, or known prominent leaders such as Jaish-i-Mohammad’s Masood Azhar”. The Bahawalpur district nazim at the time told Hunt that despite repeatedly highlighting the threat posed by extremist groups and indoctrination centres to the provincial and federal governments, he had received “no support” in dealing with the issue unless he was ready to change his political loyalties. The nazim, who at the time was with the PML-Q, “blamed politics, stating that unless he was willing to switch parties…neither the Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz provincial nor the Pakistan People’s Party federal governments would take his requests seriously”.

[Captain_FT]

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secondly, wikileaks must also keep fully in mind that the CIA contractors like raymond davis are at front fully funding TTP themselves also and that must be kept in mind.

@Shamraz_Khan

I thought that was pretty well known that Saudis and UAE were funding terrorism all across the globe.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/22/secret-us-cables-accessed-by-dawn-through-wikileaks-saudi-arabia-uae-financing-extremism-in-south-punjab.html

Saudi Arabia, UAE financing extremism in south Punjab

By Qurat ul ain Siddiqui | From the Newspaper (7 hours ago) Today

A boy reads verses of the Quran, while studying in a madrassah, January 11, 2011. — Photo by AP/File

KARACHI: A US official in a cable sent to the State Department stated that “financial support estimated at nearly 100 million USD annually was making its way to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith clerics in south Punjab from organisations in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates ostensibly with the direct support of those governments.”

The cable sent in November 2008 by Bryan Hunt, the then Principal Officer at the US Consulate in Lahore, was based on information from discussions with local government and non-governmental sources during his trips to the cities of Multan and Bahawalpur.

Quoting local interlocutors, Hunt attempts to explain how the “sophisticated jihadi recruitment network” operated in a region dominated by the Barelvi sect, which, according to the cable, made south Punjab “traditionally hostile” to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith schools of thought.

Hunt refers to a “network of Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith mosques and madrassahs” being strengthened through an influx of “charity” which originally reached organisations “such as Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Al-Khidmat foundation”. Portions of these funds would then be given away to clerics “in order to expand these sects’ presence” in a relatively inhospitable yet “potentially fruitful recruiting ground”.

Outlining the process of recruitment for militancy, the cable describes how “families with multiple children” and “severe financial difficulties” were generally being exploited for recruitment purposes. Families first approached by “ostensibly ‘charitable’” organisations would later be introduced to a “local Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith maulana” who would offer to educate the children at his madrassah and “find them employment in the service of Islam”. “Martyrdom” was also “often discussed”, with a final cash payment to the parents. “Local sources claim that the current average rate is approximately Rs 500,000 (approximately USD 6,500) per son,” the cable states.

Children recruited would be given age-specific indoctrination and would eventually be trained according to the madrassah teachers’ assessment of their inclination “to engage in violence and acceptance of jihadi culture” versus their value as promoters of Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith sects or recruiters, the cable states.

Recruits “chosen for jihad” would then be taken to “more sophisticated indoctrination camps”. “Locals identified three centres reportedly used for this purpose”. Two of the centres were stated to be in the Bahawalpur district, whereas one was reported as situated “on the outskirts of Dera Ghazi Khan city”. These centres “were primarily used for indoctrination”, after which “youths were generally sent on to more established training camps in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and then on to jihad either in FATA, NWFP, or as suicide bombers in settled areas”.

The cable goes on to quote local officials criticising the PML-N-led provincial and the PPP-led federal governments for their “failure to act” against “extremist madrassas, or known prominent leaders such as Jaish-i-Mohammad’s Masood Azhar”. The Bahawalpur district nazim at the time told Hunt that despite repeatedly highlighting the threat posed by extremist groups and indoctrination centres to the provincial and federal governments, he had received “no support” in dealing with the issue unless he was ready to change his political loyalties. The nazim, who at the time was with the PML-Q, “blamed politics, stating that unless he was willing to switch parties…neither the Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz provincial nor the Pakistan People’s Party federal governments would take his requests seriously”.

[Nussairee]

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@ Mirch; do more investigation on it as I never got arnd on researching it more…I heard it from sensible, mature ppl who understand these matters.

@Captain_FT; our problem is tht we find many excuses to divert away from the reality until it comes and bites us on our backs…indeed if u try hard enough then u will find dehshatgard even among the Buddhists or the Greenpeace activists in your area…but Saudi based takfiri outfits are menace and violent by core on a very different level altogether… the sooner you accept it the better…

[Captain_FT]

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saray hi aik jesay hn koi kisi se km nahe, na shia, na brelvi, na ahle hadees na deobandi. all are same and all are involved in terrorist activities in many ways which may be you have no knowledge.

@Nussairee

@ Mirch; do more investigation on it as I never got arnd on researching it more…I heard it from sensible, mature ppl who understand these matters.

@Captain_FT; our problem is tht we find many excuses to divert away from the reality until it comes and bites us on our backs…indeed if u try hard enough then u will find dehshatgard even among the Buddhists or the Greenpeace activists in your area…but Saudi based takfiri outfits are menace and violent by core on a very different level altogether… the sooner you accept it the better…

[khoji]

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Well Iran was pretty nice to us back in the days and i wondered why ?

If you think Iran was nice to us because we were allowing it take out our oil then did you also wonder why Saudi was nice to us too?