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you dont let it go to find anything to bash guys. PCG sometime admitting there is a problem doesnt hurt much.
your points do prove though that men do also take part in fashion and as far as i know wedding stuff too but not to the details of dress patterns etc.
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Shak Kills, Certainly. You're right. It seems a lot of times that women only pay attention to trivial matters, and don't raise their voices to fight for larger causes. Of course that's often because they are dismissed as being immoral or idiotic the minute they speak up, and so the cycle continues.
I used to be much more outspoken in forums like this, but the dismissive attitude got very frustrating. I am an educated woman, a teacher, an Islamic school volunteer, a leading organizer for charity, a writer, political rally attendee, etc. I DO what I can to help make the world become a better place. But I know I can do more. However, I don't feel the need to argue and prove myself to a bunch of people who keep arguing the same stuff over and over again, and don't LISTEN with an open mind.
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How can you imply that someone who doesn't argue in religion/politics. etc jsut simply does not care? I'm sure there are lots of women like Sahar, who do alot for their communities but with people like you who and hussain who say that we are not capable of posting, or that we're too obsessed with fashion and makeup, d you really expect us to want to participate in your stupid arguments?
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Spock, I spend enough time there is on this website, and I probably should cut even that down. If I go back to PA, it'll be like opening a pandora's box.
Secondly, my interests always keep shifting, because I'm always changing. I also used to post a whole lot in fashion, and I barely go there anymore. I also used to be a big poster in Life1, and I barely go there anymore.
I think I'm more into religion, general, and my journal. Doesn't mean I've wimped out, nor does it mean any of the other girls here wimp out. I watch the news every day, I watch my political comedy shows, etc - so I still like politics. Its just that I now have other stuff that I'm focusing on, and politics really doesn't fall into it anywhere now. Maybe sometime in the future when I wield more power in my hands, but its not worth my time now.
And if I do get back into the political mode, it certainly wont be on some online forum. :)
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i don't think there's a need to discuss everything that boyz do :p
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SK: Global issues are all linked to the dirty politics. People in these forms want to debate with the set views they have been living with or grown up with, they are not ready to accept or respect other person's view.
Business....i don't know about other guppans but I am not much into this business stuff...
It goes both way in girly topics, some are constructive and informative, some are fun kind of topics...those topics and topic starters are kind of diverse...so you will see all kinds of topics...some make sense, some don't.... ;-) :D
Rest, I guess GS women are busy represnting themselves in real world then on GS RLG/WA forums :p :D
oh and I am not Lussi, he is a guy...:D
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i dun see guys talkin bout fashion …weddings…n gossipin bout other guys…n tellin weird stories …
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No. they don't always talk about fashion. Trust me, the married females mostly talk about their kids, husbands, family issues. while singles talk about their studies, fashion
A lot of females may not present their ideas because they know, males wouldn't take it serious.
i agree with cool breeze on the above points.
Females do know and are able to comment/dicuss the politics and even the economy but most prefer just not to get involved for the reason that mr.fraudia stated. So please dont go around stereotyping and assuming things about females.
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I remember irem and nadia_h were regular in those forums but they had to develop a thick skin to sustain in that hostile atmosphere ..
No one replies in those threads 
I have documented/ hard evidence to prove my claim
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Nope, some of us do parcitipate in Politics at national and International
level, even matters regarding Diin.
At times, when mullahs or strict minded dominate the issues of current affairs of Pakistan and Afghanistan, I do share my mind.
Silence is also a sort of acceptance and the thought doesnt comfort me.
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*Just tht simple conclusion ,
Politics , ladies kaay bass kii baat nahee haiii
*
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Twin_born*Just tht simple conclusion ,
Politics , ladies kaay bass kii baat nahee haiii *
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Perhaps ladies of your family belongs to your own chosen words ;-)
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Sahar has pretty much summed it up.
All I can add is that a smart woman knows to let men believe that they are better at something. 
Serously though, it has been a struggle to participate in discussions of politics with desi guys. I find it much easier with guys that have either grown up abroad or aren’t desi at all. Maybe desi guys are less tolerant of views other than their own? I don’t know the precise answer.
On a side note…why does hussain only participate in conversations about “undecent” women, attire, etc?
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thanks ladies, i wasnt blamming i was just trying to get the reason, but looking at response, certainly many of you are have strong thoughts but somehow dont like it sharing wrong environment created by some non serious members.
its not so gloomy at all :)
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maybe i ma mind man r not influenced as much as girls when it comes to bollywood…“luv” ..hindu rasmo rawaaje .sacularism …“modesty” etc etc ..
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When I used to go into chatrooms a lot awhile back, I would always try to start religious and political discussions but found that most of the guys there did not want to talk about such things.
Here I have tried participating but have found that a lot of ppl will simply just overlook what you have to say and instead comment on what guys have to say.
A lot of women are active in this area, but again, people are oblivious to this.
It's like if you ask a person to name five famous people they know, I think a majority of the time they will name all men.
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I know. I actually think this is a really important point. There are certain forums dominated by males and others dominated by females, and I think it is actually really important to discuss why that is the case.
Thanks for bringing it up. I think you asked earlier why women don’t participate in “serious” discussions, even in the “girly” forums. I think they do. If you look at a lot of the discussions in all of the Life forums (which are more dominated by females) often there is a lot of serious advice (interspersed with light-hearted banter) about how to behave in certain situations, whether that be during Wedding prep or on a daily matter. There are serious discussions in these forums.
I think that when people feel alienated from discussions about “BIG” ideas, issues, concepts, it’s partly because they feel no one will listen to their opinion, but also partly because they feel helpless. Listening to the news all the time and reading up on current events can leave one feeling like there is nothing an individual can do to change all of these BIG concerns, so many people prefer to do things where they have an immediate effect and can make an immediate difference in someone’s life. I’m not saying that approach is correct, but I’m just trying to understand why someone would get tired of discussing these same issues back and forth.
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Yes, women are more interested in house, kids, family and fashion and that leaves us more intelligent creations of God to think of world peace.
In my house my wife has final say on what we shud eat, which schools kids go to, what dhus they wear, where we spend the holidays etc. While i judge whether Mush shud re-elect himslef thru current or next assembly, what is best plan for middle east peace or solution to Kashmir issue. The only contribution of my wife in political issues in my house is what she says at end of the news
"Allah bera gharq karey is Bush ka"
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there is hardly any wold or Pakistan issue that Guppans prefer to discuss, are our females only restricted in minds only to discuss wedding relationships and chit chat about career only some time. but
not ready to discuss issues facing by our nation or world.
or they just dont care?
they are not simply capable of commenting on such issues?
or its our culture that is embeded in their minds doesnt let them express at all or thought about it.
or being modern they just understand that wearing extra revealing dresses are enogh for being educated, litrated? other type who try to promote more modest dress and thats it where their duties finishes to society?
how can we have a constructive society in Pakistan or in NRP's when our women just avoid the wider issues?
please discuss.
are you blind!!!!
firstly you cant tell from ppl's iconcs etc if they are female or male! dont be so close-minded! here i am women discussing politics!
and i have very strong opinions about our social political and economical affairs!
O!!! and if you look around its not like our men are up to spead with such issues too! While anyone can talk politics and criticize and comment on what everyone is doing, i rarely come across a well thought out response, or an educated comment, or the type of comment that really breaks the mold or makes one think......
and if i do come across any, its really both men and women that are impressive.
I realize i am not in the same country, but in my experience women are more inclined to do public interest work, more aware of responsive to the problems that ail our society.
Most of the times when i do any such public interest stuff, its always with lots of women, from feeding the hungry to working for a btter environment, increasing wages for the poor, building shelters, anything anything....u name it and women are out htere doing most of it!
so not are we capable we are doing it! so no clue what you are talking about
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HAHAHA!!! oh i love the “and that leaves us more intelligent creations of God to think of world peace”!!!
Which may explain the state of the world!!!
It surely explains the state of the Muslim people!
ultimately in patriarchal households (i.e. where men rule) the children suffer the most. I have found that children who come from homes where mothers are not educated, or have a limitation as to thier input, or treated as second class, it reflects in the development of the children. You can tell something is missing.
Its like anyother thing in life, you need balance. men and women are like ying and yang, an overbearing yang, is just as destructive as an overdose of dairy but not enough vegetables. I dont know if that makes sense…the idea being, you need both!
Political affaris just like anything else also need both men and womens input! the sorry state that Muslims are in currently would not be as it is, if we actually allowed our women a say in our politics!
an illiterate wife is not something one should be proud of, certainly not these days 
A man getting arranged marriage to a women half his age, or a women who is still like in her teens… and completely clueless and uneducated is no longer a testament to your prowess but rather evidences your backwardness!
Its true!!! thats how the world percieves you… noone says well wow those Muslim men marry women half their age its more like ughh… look at those backwards ppl still oppressing thier women!!