I knew from the very beginning that Mahmood Abbas is nothing but a low level stooge. Compared to him, at least Yasir Arafat had enough dignity that he never compromised on the core issues, and thus was labelled as a hardened terrorist.
Now, Abbas is to become the enforcer of pig Sharon’s disengagement plan in the occupied territories. The disengagement plan allows Israel to annex most of the land in the West Bank. And Keep up with its drive of building new settlements on the occupied land.
The disengagement plan further includes expelling majority of the Palestineans from East Jerusalem, and turn the West Bank cities such as Tulkeram, Ramallah, Jenin and others into massive concentration camps surrounded by barriers. If Palestineans want to live in freedom, they would have to leave that land all together. The issue regarding the return of millions of refugees is dead forever. The Gaza is already a massive concentration camp and its highly unlikely that the situation there will improve. Israel is also between a rock and a hard place where it can longer afford to occupy the Palestineans. However, it wants to take everything and give nothing in return.
But, the great thing is that Hamas controls Gaza on the grassroots level after sweeping the local muncipal elections. And the road to peace goes through Gaza, as now they are the most powerful force in Palestine. More power to Hamas and Islamic Jihad for rejecting this farcical, and deceptive peace process.
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I think it will crash because either Saudi Arabians will up their current price of $5k per suicide bomber to $5.5k and that will entice some new bombers. OR Payls will stick to their guns about Jerusalem and all jew must leave Israel mantra.
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Well the stubborness is on both sides. Israel has this insatiable hunger for land grabs, settlements, and control. They have been expanding settlements in the west bank even as they speak of getting out of Gaza. The current so called cease fire is just a common sense act, which has basically arisen from the fact that both sides are tired and need a breather. Other than that, this meeting did not bring about anything new, and there have been no concessions made by Israel whatsoever, even though it is the occupying party. The moves/decisions made in the egypt summit were pretty bland…‘we will stop if they stop’. You dont even need a summit to have that occur. The core issues still remain…the occupation, Israels insistence on keeping settlements in west bank, east jerusalem, refugees who were displaced in order to make way for jews. The common sense solution to these issues is very clear, and there is no other way around it. However, Israel wants to avoid these issues, hoping they will just die out maybe in a generations time. But unfortunately, they will not die out any time soon, and hence, I sadly agree with Abdullah, that this so called peace plan will collapse sooner or later.
Right. The oslo accords called for a cessation to all kinds of settlement building. That continued.
The oslo accords called for Israels complete withdrawal from Gaza and Jericho in west bank within 5 years of the accords. That process never even began.
I could go on…there are plenty of security council resolutions gathering dust as well..but that would be a waste. Israel considers the UN bigoted. I agree with them. After all, this is the same UN that initiated the creation of Israel.
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Sharon is just waiting for the american aid checks to clear.. as soon as that's done.. there'll be another one of those "suicide bombs" wink wink and it'll be back to more land grab..
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The Palestinian Authority fears that Hezbollah will try to sabotage the cease-fire with a bomber. May the good people of Israel and peaceful Palestians stop these terrorist thugs from killing more innocents. Amen.
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This is funny. Suicide bomer strikes, Israel takes over more land. I think the way it is continuing, th elast suicide bomber will mean all of arabia will be Israeli. Sansa arabs ofcouse.
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Now I'm getting confused. If you follow PA's thinking to its natural end, you must conclude that Hamas and Islamic Jihad are really Israeli stooges. The suicide bomers (:wink_wink) they unleash provide Sharon the cover to take more land from the Palestinians. Therefore, Palestinians who were really representing the Palestinian interests would string up all these Hamas guys because they are really nothing more than Israeli collaborators. The real Palestinians should end the land grab by stopping more suicide bombings.
But then again, aren't the US and Israel also saying to the Palestinians "stop the suicide bombings and we can have peace?" So those trying to accomplish this outcome must also be US and Israeli stooges. Therefore, every Palestinian is nothing more than an Israeli stooge or US stooge. Since that is the case, why would anyone oppose Israel annexing all of Gaza and the West Bank so they could bring all their stooges home?
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Hmm… Now ** THAT ** would be pretty d*mn clever. No wonder 15 million Jews control the whole world.
How do we really know those pictures of “dead bodies” (:wink_wink) really are dead bodies? If you’ve ever partied with a group of frat guys, you know it doesn’t take bombs to turn a pizza parlor into a pile of rubble. If all those Palestinian kids really were slaughtered, how come there are still so many playing catch with stones in the streets? Come to think of it, looking closely at certain pictures, I could swear that the same Palestinian kid has been “killed” (:wink_wink) four times in the last 18 months.
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it is pretty simple .. but u have to be intellectually honest to admit it..
who benefits from the violence.. it is ALWAYS the Israelis who get this convenient excuse to back out of any promises and continue with their land grab.
If you can't understand the double talk of "stop the violence" and then perpetrating the same violence then perhaps you'll never understand perpetual warfar either..
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yes it does... the Palestinians don't know any better.. if they had any true leadership their lives would have imrpoved as a lot.. they wouldn't be in refugee camps in their own country now would they?
False leaders show them the way of violence.. some fall for it... How hard is it to indoctrinate kids with some stupid ideology of killing themself in order to gain some religious rewards.. works nicely for the Israelis too.. kill a few innocent and keep on with the state terrorism in the guise of 'defending yourself'.
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PA, there is no use of arguing with these guys. They will never admit to the fact that Israel has and always manages to stab US in the back whenever it is convinient for their own motives (land grab, killing of innocnents). These are the same people (israelis) who have taken our money, our technology and used it against us on number of occassions.
UTD and MV, its easy to control those palestanians.....they have no hope, no life, they live in a prison...thanks to Israel. If one more bomb is set off, it benefits Israel...so they can say I told you so.
Having said all that, I hope that both sides will give this peace talk and action a chance. I sincerely hope that Israel will give up its policy of expanding illegal settlements and return the land it has occupied for a long time.
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PA and Kaleem.
You guys need to figure out whether you are riding the peace train or the war ship. In the last couple of posts in this thread you sound like you are advocating non-violent resistance among the Palestinians and a denunciation of the Hamas style violence. Go back over OG's and my posts for the last two years and you'll see some very real positive suggestions emanating from us on how the Palestinians could do just that and win over world opinion in a heartbeat.
For making these suggestions, OG and I have often been vilified as Zionist jew-lovers and anti-Palestinian bigots. Any Palestinian leader to even contemplate such a strategy has been labeled an Israeli or US stooge.
I don't know how you guys keep your heads on your shoulders when they are spinning so fast.
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MV, its simple. We dont close our eyes to the fact that Israel is a partner in this circle of violence. We dont allow ourselves to think that Israel has and continues to betray its friends including US. Its not our heads that are spinning, its your blind fold that keeps you from seeing the facts.
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I always love these bombastic comments within the arab world. After each engagment with Israel, they have lost more and more land and they keep insisting they are winning. Reminds me of the "Knights who go Neekh" from Monty Pythons, search for the holy grail
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Unfortunately it goes beyond leadership PA. Palestinian schools teach its students to demonify and hate Israel. The fanatic whose goal is to destroy Israel has been given a pedestal to preach their hate. The fanatics, often spurred by outsiders, call anyone who offers peaceful overture to Israel a traitor or American stooge.
I was in an Israel cab talking to driver about the peace process and said how it would be nice if peace with the Palestinians was achieved he said, "Once peace with the Palestinians is achieved then we can get on with the real fighting." What he meant was that the internal collision between the religious right of Israel and the more secular Israel clash on how the country is to be run but right now such matters are on the backburner as Israel is united for what they see as their survival against the Arab world. The same internal fight will happen between the Palestinians and it very well might be a bloody one, the question is whether it will come before or after Peace with Israel can be made.
Now ** THAT ** would be pretty d*mn clever. No wonder 15 million Jews control the whole world.