nigga please
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Bukhari
"the Islam before corruption by the kafirs Muyavia,
Yazid, and others of the house of Abu Sufiyan, whose reign was made possible by
the hypocrites called Usman and Umar".
"The rest of the Islamic empire, under Yazid's
rule, practiced Yazid's Islam, and called
themselves "Sunnis""
"Shias saw the conspiracy against the Prophet's
family, which was actually a conspiracy
against Islam. This was a conspiracy whose
roots went back to the time of Abu Bakr,
Umar and Usman, who were very close to
Abu Sufyan and Muyavia".
These are the most derogatory remarks I ever heard from any one for three Khulfa-e- Rashdin. A long time ago, a similar debate was made but without any result. People had again wasted so much time and energy on this topic. This topic is not going to solve any problem faced by the Muslim community. In fact this would further lead to disintegration and self distraction. Though I had rebuked one of the participant by calling Shii as Kafir. But above remarks indicated that I was so naïve and ignorant about the hatred and derogatory remarks for Sunni. To me learning and practicing of basic Islamic Principles are more important than spreading hatred among Muslims brothers on a private family feud,(Tragedy of Karbala) which I still think that a common Muslim had/has nothing to do with this feud(Umyaad and Hashmites belong to same tribe of Quraish). Instead of learning any lesson from this tragic incident, people are continuously arguing and fighting over the incident. Can we not just focus on common goals of brotherhood and peace and respect each other’s faith and control our false emotions to ourselves?
Sincerely,
FARID M
Brother Farid, Assalam-o-Elekum
I am very happy to see that I am not alone in this chamber. I have brother like you. If you go through my writings earlier, you will realize how much you sound similar to my voice.
You complaints about the derogatory and disgraceful remarks of brother Bukhari about our respected and beloved three Khulfa-e-Rashideen (Rizwanulaahum Ajmaeen)
First of all, I do not think that Brother Bukahri has any respect to any body not even to religion. He belongs to that category of the people whom we call, “Parhe Likhe Jahil”(Educated illiterate). He does not know even the basic etiquette and adab adab of discussions and debates.
If you go through different threads of this web page, you will find his name in many places. In those writings you will find that the way he addresses the issues are disgusting and arrogant.
Let me give you some of the examples from his writings in different threads. These are his exact words which I am copying as it is.
In GENERAL SECTION, IS IT OK TO MARRY HINDU GAL?? FurQan from Toronto
Look at the way Bukhari is answering,
Take note of his words and sentences.
“only a moron would marry a Hindu
girl.
Why?
Because, even if she converts, she will speak
Urdu with an obnoxious Sanskrit accent,
pronouncing kh without the real sound, and
substituting sh for 's' and 'sh' for 's'………..”
He keeps on going, look at the childish way he is making joke of Hindu girls, a human being.
“Besides, how can you stand those ugly saaris
and those ugly teeth. Not to mention that
ugly skin colour. UGH.”
Then he came out with this idea.
“DID YOU KNOW that some Hindu girls actually
have BEARDS under their chins, which extend
all the way to their necks.
SO LOOK CLOSELY BELOW HER CHIN BEFORE YOU
MARRY HER.”
In another thread, JESUS DID NOT DIE, ACCORDING TO QURAN
Bukhari wrote,
I don't know which idiots are spreading these
lies that Jesus died.
In the thread,
The Prophet PBUH himself endorsed the Shias
Bukhari wrote
WHY ABU BAKR, USMAN, AND UMAR DID NOT
DESERVE CALIPHATE.
THEY WERE POWER HUNGRY HYPOCRITES.
Now after going though all these examples, you must have been wondering, what to say, how to react ?. Some of you would disagree with me calling him educated and would say that we should not even call him literate or educated. Some of you will write to boycott his writings. I personally, do not know, how to behave with these kinds of people. I am leaving all these to my other colleagues and brothers.
Now I have a personal request to Brother Bukhari. Brother Assalam-o-Elekum.
You claim to be a Muslim ( and I have no doubt about that), but your personal behaviors and your writings are negating that. Islam is a religion of tolerance and endurance, a religion which teaches us sophistication and etiquette in every aspects of our life, a religion which told us to speak gently to others, a religion who told us there is no jabre ( force) in Islam and a religion who want to conquer the hearts of the people not their bodies.Do not portray a negative, prejudice and uncivilized picture of Islam to the world.
Please
Differ with the ideas of the people but not with the people themselves.
Write whatever you think is right but in a descent way; do not dirty your tongue.
Defend your religion and Shiaism in a sophisticated way. Do not through water on your arguments by these kinds of childish and cheap comments.
Defend your culture and identity but do not hurt other people feelings by making joke of their culture in a childish and immature way.
Respect the humanity as humanity, no matter what religion do they belong to (hindu or else), what colors do they have (blake or white), what language do they speak (urdu or sanskirit or Arabi)and no matters what dress do they wear (Sari or Shalwar).
Do not forget that these sites are open to people all over the world. Do not let them say that Muslims generally and Shia especially are extremist, arrogant uncivilized and uneducated. Please do not bring disgrace to your sect and to your religion.
And Final words.
Believe me I respect Shia and I respect them with my all of my heart. This respect will always be there, no matter what you or others write or say.
Listen.
First of all, I would like to tell you all
that the incident of Karbala was NOT,
repeat NOT, a family feud.
It was an event of sacrifice on part of the
Prophet PBUH's family in order to save
Islam from complete destruction at the
hands of a pagan ruler.
Yazid was a kafir.
His father Muyavia was a hypocrite/kafir.
Other Ummayads were not too sincere either
but Sunnis choose to overlook historical
facts.
Regarding my "childish remarks" on other
threads, I think it would be more appropriate
to refer to them on the proper threads.
No doubt, arrogance and racism
are evil and I regret my action. May Allah forgive me.
I haven't read through all of the stuff written above. But from what I understand this topic was started on the bases of different sects in Islam.
Now I'm curious, A mother will love her child no matter which way the child shows her respect. Either he goes and brings home money to feed the family, or he stays home and serves her. The point being that the mother will look for the intention of her child and not the acts.
Same case is With Allah. I may be wrong here, but chances are that I'm not. All he wants is the respect and recognition from the ones he created, not caring of the form he gets it in.
So might I suggest to you all, to please drop the topic and set an example for the people who are not muslims, but still they learn of Islam from us.
Chances are that I'll be ignored, here. If so, then I guess the purpose of all this discussion is FUN at the expense of mockery of Islam.
Cancer,
You are wrong!! Way wrong!!
Cancer, you are completely WRONG.
What you said is what Christians say, that
God will love them nomatter what they do
or how they express their love for Allah.
The truth is, that Allah has clearly stated
methods and procedures of life and worship,
and this world has been made a test for
mankind to see who follows His path and
who deviates from it.
So a person cannot make up their own method
of worship and expect Allah to accept it.
Cancer wrote:
"Now I'm curious, A mother will love her child no matter which way the child shows her respect. Either he goes and brings home money to feed the family, or he stays home and serves her. The point being that the mother will look for the intention of her child and not the acts.
Same case is With Allah. I may be wrong here, but chances are that I'm not. All he wants is the respect and recognition from the ones he created, not caring of the form he gets it in. "
Listen people.
I’m not saying I’m a perfect Muslim, nor do
I possess the ultimate knowledge of Shiaism.
So don’t take my word for it, please.
Just go to http://www.al-islam.org
or http://www.shia.org
and you will get your questions answered.
Hey, I’m only 18 years old. Give me a break.
Bukhari, You are only 18 ? Thats another lie. Show us your identity. Do not try to escape in the picture of childhood. The destruction which you and people like you are bringing to muslim umma is huge and humangous.
If you are really 18, then youy should not have involve your self in these discussions at all, These discussion are for mature and educated people, and let it be dealt by them.
I will also urge the moderator of this web page to stop this thread now because its causing lots controversies among Muslims. I also request them that from now onwards, they should check the ID of the people taking part in these serious and sanjeeda topics and make sure that no kids like Bukhari play with the sentiments of muslim and bring shame to muslim and especially to shia people.
Last word to Bukhari. OK kid, we gave you a break, with this advice,
JAO KHELO, YE LO JHUNJUNA
Uicdoc,
I am also glad to know that there are people like you who think exactly the same way as I think and feel. This topic is not so simple to convince any one. However by focusing on common goals I think it is not impossible to over come the hatred among the two sects which is purely based on emotion rather than logic and reason.
Bukhari,
Yes it is a family feud. I am again telling you that Hashmites and Umyad were two clans of the same tribe Quraish. If you do not believe me, confirm it from any grade 7 or 8 Islamiat Text Book. Hadhrat Usman was killed (Shaheed) by people, while reciting the Holy Quraan. The killers were high ranking officials in the army of Hadhrat Ali. When Bibi Aysha asked Hadhrat Ali to bring those killers to justice, he did not take any action. Can you tell me why????? I respect Hadhrat Ali as much as I respect other three Khulfa-e- Rashden. I think that Hadhrat Ali must have some sound justification for not bringing those people to books. I do not want to go in to details of the two wars, in which thousands and thousands of Muslims died on both sides. After second war Hadhrat Ali was forced to give up the Khalafat.
Perhaps no one earth would justify the action of Yazid which led to tragedy of Karbala. The action of Yazid was highly condemned and no one will ever condone his brutal act. We have more love, regard and respect for Bibi Fatima, Hadhrat Imam Hasan and Hadhrat Imam Hussain than any one else. But we also love and respect all the Khulfa-e-Rashden. Please do not propogate and misguide the people that Sunni sect condone the brutal act of Yazid and Shimar.
The way you spread hatred and spit out the venom against Khulfa-e-Rashden and Sunni sect shows that you have travelled in a Time Machine fourteen hundred years ago and watched the events with your own eyes. You will harm no one except your self by such irresponsible attitude. My advice is to calm down and think hundred times before you jump to any conclusion.
Sincerely,
FARID M
Farid, listen.
I'm 18, and I never lied about anything.
Regarding Hazrat Ali (AS):
the people whom Ayesha assumed to be killers
of Uthman were not punished because there
was no proof of their involvement.
But Ayesha had an irrational personal enmity towards Hazrat Ali (AS) and therefore pursued the war.
Who more can you trust than the Al e Rasool
in such matters. If it weren't for them,
Islam would not have been on the earth today.
How can you call it a family feud. Even
though Umaayad and Hashimite were two clans
of Quraish, one was good, and the other was
evil. Hashimites were direct descendents
of Hazrat Ibraham (AS).
Abu Sufiyan was forcefully converted to
Islam, and thus his associates can be
regarded in the same picture, because you
can tell a man by his friends.
Muyavia and Yazid succeeded, and it only
shows how forceful conversion fails to
produce a Muslim or a Muslim family.
Also, how do you explain the atrocities
committed by the Ummayad rulers on the
family of the Prophet even after the
even of Karbala.
Most Ummayads drank, committed adultery,
possessed great hatred for Al e Rasool,
and wanted to see Islam corrupted.
Read history, and remove the veil of
ignorance from your eyes. Don't you see
how the Al e Rasool adhered faithfully to
Islam throughout the periods following
the even of Karbala, while the same
Ummayads were busy plotting and repressing
them?
Read and understand. Don't follow conjecture
of your irrational mind.
Farid, listen.
I'm 18, and I never lied about anything.
Regarding Hazrat Ali (AS):
the people whom Ayesha assumed to be killers
of Uthman were not punished because there
was no proof of their involvement.
But Ayesha had an irrational personal enmity towards Hazrat Ali (AS) and therefore pursued the war.
Who more can you trust than the Al e Rasool
in such matters. If it weren't for them,
Islam would not have been on the earth today.
How can you call it a family feud. Even
though Umaayad and Hashimite were two clans
of Quraish, one was good, and the other was
evil. Hashimites were direct descendents
of Hazrat Ibraham (AS).
Abu Sufiyan was forcefully converted to
Islam, and thus his associates can be
regarded in the same picture, because you
can tell a man by his friends.
Muyavia and Yazid succeeded, and it only
shows how forceful conversion fails to
produce a Muslim or a Muslim family.
Also, how do you explain the atrocities
committed by the Ummayad rulers on the
family of the Prophet even after the
even of Karbala.
Most Ummayads drank, committed adultery,
possessed great hatred for Al e Rasool,
and wanted to see Islam corrupted.
Read history, and remove the veil of
ignorance from your eyes. Don't you see
how the Al e Rasool adhered faithfully to
Islam throughout the periods following
the event of Karbala, while the same
Ummayads were busy plotting and repressing
them?
Read and understand. Don't follow conjecture
of your irrational mind.
The difference between Shias and Sunnis is
that the Shias are fortunate enought to
KNOW and UNDERSTAND.
How can the Ummayads be even COMPARED to
the great Al e Rasool PBUH?
How can you compare Abu Sufyan, Muyavia or
Yazid to Ali (AS), Hussain (AS) or
Jafar As-Sadiq (AS)?
Do you even KNOW who these great
personalities were, and WHAT they represented?
Do you have an IDEA of their greatness?
They were the people whom the Holy Prophet
PBUH regarded as being LIVING QURANS.
Too bad the Ummayads earned hell for
themselves by commiting unspeakable atrocities on the Al e Rasool PBUH
and by trying to wipe out Islam.
Islam survived in its purest form by
inheretance from the Al e Rasool PBUH to
the so-called "Shia" or "follower" community,
and a slightly adulterated version was
retained by the Sunnis under Ummayad
influence.
The proof of all this is in history.
Read about the deeds of the Ummayads,
Abu Sufyan, Yazid, his successors, and you
will see how they tried to BUY the
Al e Rasool PBUH, by offering money and
women.
But the Imams of the Al e Rasool always
turned them down, saying they would never
compromise on Islam.
I myself am a descendant of Imam Ali Naqi
(AS), so I know a lot about my ancestors.
amin, I am 18.
I have never lied and I shall never lie
nor conceal any truth.
Shias do not believe that Sunnis favour
the acts of Yazid or Shimar.
But Shias cannot accept calling Muyavia
a Hazrat when his father was Abu Sufyan
and his son was Yazid.
Bukhari,
Whether you are eighteen or eighty who cares!
The main problem with you is that you have been injected with poison against one sect . As I already said calm down, you will harm no one except your self by carrying on this madness. What you are writing is nothing to do with knowledge but full of hatred and racism. Once Iblis was also very knowledgeable, I hope you are not following his footsteps.
Sincerely
FARID M
Burkhurdar Bukhar-ieeee
Go suck on the tail pipe of the city bus, dont come here and tell us that you are only eighteen yrs old.
We are not interested in your childish remarks, U need to grow up first Bucchay.
U and people like U and I mean U and those Mr Mirz followers are all nothing but guides of darkness, U had fallen into the pit of ignorance and soon whoever listens to you will end up at the same place, so please let the people find the truth on their own and keep you mouth shut for good.
ThankU
App ka Muhlkis Doost
Mir
Ok listen up...we all have our differences..right? So why are u bashing ppl'z beliefs? A True Muslim shows respect to everyone regardless of their beliefs, or race.