Why Sunnism is RIDICULOUS and USELESS

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Imagine if a person is passing by a bank.
At that very moment, a robber breaks into the
bank, kills the guards and escapes with a
lot of money. The passer-by tries to catch
the robber but gets himself injured.
The police and press arrive, and they catch
the innocent passer-by instead. They publish
the story in the newspapers. The whole
nation reads it, and believes the innocent
passer-by to be the robber. The innocent man is hanged. But before his death, he tells his children the truth about his innocence. Centuries pass by. Grandparents tell their children the story of this notorious “robber”.

WHY? because, those who controlled the
sources of publicity were those who
determined what the majority of the people
believed. Slowly, the grandchildren of the
innocent man spread the news of the robbery
as it actually happened. Truth is believed,
and many people start to believe them.

Somewhat analogous, though immensely more
obvious and profound, is the truth about
the religion of the Prophet PBUH, as
preserved by the Ahl-e-Rasool, the Family
of the Prophet PBUH. This religion was
Islam, the only Islam, as practiced by the
Prophet PBUH, his daughter Hazrat
Fatima(A.S.), her husband and the Prophet
PBUH’s first cousin Hazrat Ali (A.S.), their
son Hazrat Imam Hussain (A.S.), the man
whose family single handedly saved Islam,
his children and grandchildren, (the 12 Imams
of Shia faith), those who contributed to real
Islamic thought, the Islam in its originality
and totality as practiced by their
grandfather the Prophet PBUH, the Islam before corruption by the kafirs Muyavia,
Yazid, and others of the house of Abu Sufiyan, whose reign was made possible by
the hypocrites called Usman and Umar.

When the Prophet’s whole family, save a handful, were brutally slaughtered by the
kafir Yazid, son of so-called “Hazrat”
Muyavia, Yazid did everything he could to
cover up the incident.

But slowly, the news leaked out. When the
surviving ladies of the Prophet PBUH’s family
were paraded bare-headed through the streets
of Yazid’s empire, walking from Iraq to
Syria, when the Prophet’s great-grandson
Hazrat Imam Zainulabideen, in grip of intense
fever, his back bent, laden with chains,
his feet bloody, recited the Kalima Tauheed
while marching to Syria, the people looked.
They thought. They inquired. They gained
the knowledge.

These people were the few fortunate ones to
have seen the truth. They became Shias.
These people learnt about the True Islam from
the Children of the Prophet PBUH, the Ahl-e-
Rasool, when the Ahl-e-Rasool visited them
and explained to them what had actually
happened.

The rest of the Islamic empire, under Yazid’s
rule, practiced Yazid’s Islam, and called
themselves “Sunnis”.

Shias saw the conspiracy against the Prophet’s
family, which was actually a conspiracy
against Islam. This was a conspiracy whose
roots went back to the time of Abu Bakr,
Umar and Usman, who were very close to
Abu Sufyan and Muyavia.

What we Shias cannot understand about Sunni
faith is that even though there is so much
of historical evidence to support the malice,
insincerety and outright enmity of the Ummayads and the first three Khalifas, the
Sunnis go on respecting them and Muyavia,
which is most outrageous.

Another thing we cannot understand about
Sunnis is that even thought it is so obvious
that the Fiqah written by Hazrat Ali (A.S.),
Hazrat Imam Hussain (A.S.), and other members
of the Holy Prophet (PBUH)'s family would be
completely truthful without any doubt,
even then the Sunnis choose to ignore that
Fiqah and they still follow the Fiqah as
was followed in Yazid and Muyaviay’s empire.

Don’t Sunnis have the brains to think that
if anyone is to write the REAL Islamic Fiqah,
it will be the Prophet PBUH’s family.

Because if Shias pray with their hands to
their sides, its because Imam Jafar Sadiq (A.S.), grandson of Imam Hussain (A.S.),
prayed like that. IF Shias support Muta,
it is because the Prophet’s family supported
Muta.

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WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE PROPHET’S FAMILY
LIED ABOUT ISLAM?? WOULD IMAM HUSSAIN, WHO
GAVE HIS LIFE AND HIS FAMILY’S LIVES FOR
ISLAM, LIE ABOUT ISLAM?? THEN HOW CAN
HIS GREAT GRANDSON, IMAM JAFAR-US-SADIQ LIE ABOUT ISLAMIC FIQAH??

What Sunnis should understand is that given
a choice between truth and falsehood, that
is, given a choice between the Fiqah of the
Ahl-e-Rasool (PBUH) and the Fiqah of the
Prophet’s associates or Sahaba, THE CORRECT
ONE WILL BE THE ONE WHICH THE PROPHET’S
FAMILY FOLLOWED.

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IF ONE FIQAH IS CORRECT, THE OTHER IS WRONG.
IF ONE IS TRUE, THE OTHER HAS TO BE FALSE.

WHICH ONE WILL BE TRUE:
THAT FOLLOWED BY PROPHET P.B.U.H.'S FAMILY
OR
THAT FOLLOWED BY UMAR, ABU BAKR, USMAN, ABU SUFYAN, MUYAVIA, AND YAZID, AND OTHER UMMAYIDS?

Here is the list of the Prophet’s family, which is the list known as the “Fourteen Infallibles” to the Shias.

Prophet Muhammad Ar-Rasool (PBUH&HF)
Imam Ali Al-Ameeril Mo’mineen (AS)
Hazrat Fatima Az-Zahra (AS)
Imam Hasan Al-Mujtaba (AS)
Imam Husain As-Shaheed (AS)
Imam Zain-ul-Abideeen (AS)
Imam Muhammad Al-Baqir (AS)
Imam Ja’far As-Saadiq (AS)
Imam Musa Al-Kazim (AS)
Imam Ali Ar-Reza (AS)
Imam Muhammad At-Taqi (AS)
Imam Ali An-Naqi (AS)
Imam Hasan Al-Askari (AS)
Imam Muhammad Al-Mahdi (AS)

These were the Muslims who followed the
actual Islam of the Prophet. Because Islam
was more than their religion. It was the
religion for which their grandfather,
Imam Hussain (A.S.) gave the lives of himself
and his family.

If Shias had a choice, they would not call
themselves Shias, but just MUSLIMS. It is
to differentiate themselves from FALSEHOOD
that they choose to call themselves Shias.

Sunnis should understand that the choice
between Shiaism(Religion of Prophet’s family)
and Sunniism(Religion of Sahaba), is a choice
between truth and falsehood.

Except for a few dubious “Hadith”, which
could easily be fabricated during Ummayid
government, there is NOTHING to support the
Sunni claim that Sunniism is the true Islam.

But to support the Shia’s assertion of
Islamic truth is the event of Karbala.
WHICH PROVED THE SINCERETY OF PROPHET’S
FAMILY.
IT ALSO PROVED INSINCERETY OR NEGLECT OF
UMAR, ABU BAKR AND USMAN’S FAMILIES.

Why didn’t Umar’s, Abu Bakr’s, or Usman’s
families come forward to give their lives
in the field of Karbala???

And, common sense also says, that the world
can be turned upside down, the sun can rise
from the west, anything in the world can
be possible, BUT THE PROPHET’S FAMILY
CANNOT LIE ABOUT THE RELIGION OF THEIR
GRANDFATHER.

THEREFORE, FIQAH OF HAZRAT ALI, HAZRAT IMAM
HUSSAIN, AND HAZRAT IMAM JA’FAR-AS-SADIQ
CANNOT BE WRONG.

THEREFORE, ANY OPPOSING FIQAH IS WRONG.

THEREFORE, SUNNIISM IS WRONG AND INVALID.

I urge all Sunnis to see and feel the truth.

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I want to clear some common misconceptions
about Shias, also to state some facts:

  • Shias do not believe in lying
  • Shias do not believe any Imam to be a
    Prophet
  • Shias follow the Islamic Fiqah books of
    the family of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH,
    which includes Hazrat Ali (A.S.), Hazrat
    Imam Hussain (A.S.), and Hazrat Imam Ja’far
    As-Saadiq (AS).
  • This Fiqah includes saying prayers with
    hands to your side, as the hypocrites folded
    their hands in front of them and kept small
    idols in them.
  • Shias merely suspect the insincerety of
    Abu Bakr, Umar and Usman. They do not claim
    to know the absolute truth about these three,
    but say that history suggests that these
    three were insincere and/or hypocrites.
  • Shias believe that the status of the first
    3 Khalifa’s is very trivial. Therefore,
    importance should be given to following the
    true Religion of Allah, not to condemning
    those who oppose or seem to oppose it.

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May Allah guide you all to the right path.

[This message has been edited by Bukhari (edited January 20, 1999).]

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Hello Ayatollah Bukhari, why are you carrying 1400 years old family quarrel all the way into 21st century?
Why should Prophet's family members be more truthful than other ordinary Muslims? They may be more truthful, as truthful or worse. History is replete with incidences where the children of great men have not lived upto their reputation.
If the religious differences in Sunnis and Shias are mainly for historical reason in which one has little way to check facts then one could argue other way round and say Shias are ridiculous and useless or whatever. Both arguments look equally valid to me.

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I totally agree with you PG. I may be very niave in my point of view and do not proclaim to be an expert in the field, but surely we have a divine scripture (Koran) given to all of us that we can follow? Surely there is NO doubt or contradiction in that book, so why all the fighting? We are becoming just like the Christians and the jews when they left their holy scriptures and decided to follow their fairy stories and guess work. I think the following verse from the Koran summs up the whole argument regarding the advent of sects etc:
"And if you obey most of those on the earth, they will lead you from Allah's way: they follow but CONJECTURE and they only lie" 6:116

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'Except for a few dubious "Hadith", which
could easily be fabricated during Ummayid
government, there is NOTHING to support the
Sunni claim that Sunniism is the true Islam.'

So what supports your claim that you follow the true Islam? How can you guarantee that the hadiths YOU choose to follow were not fabricated as well? You haven't convinced me of anything.

The only thing you convinced me about is that if all Shias think like you, then it is you who are are ridiculous and useless. As your analogy goes, most people will believe something wrong if they hear about it, i.e., most people believed that the wrong man robbed the bank in your analogy. But one can easily say that if a few people are told a lie, they can propagate that too and eventually many people will start believing it. So one can easily claim that that's what Shiasm is all based upon. The only thing you can convince me with about your claim, would be evidence from the Quran.

About your story that you told us, about how Sunnism is a corrupted Islam, it could be one of those fairy tales told to you by somebody.

[This message has been edited by Asif the Macho Man (edited January 20, 1999).]

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I couldn't resist replying to this thread. Let me give my intake on this shia/sunni sects and Islamic History. If you are a neutral history student, you would find abundance of examples where its obvious to see the fabrication/modification of hadiths/historical facts. Although I belief that any hadith should only be accredited with validity or authenticity if its "in-line" or "parallel" to Quran as that is the only "testing criteria" we have that every muslims believe in. Shiaism/Sunnism have basic fundamental differences which one can't just forget about.... there's a matter of true leadership, fiqah, logic/reasoning of Islam and its rituals and even different perceptions as to the reasoning behind the basic fundamentals of Islam. This issue of shiaism/sunnism has been in existence since the departure of Prophet. So, its needless to say that by writing few lines on this forum we can never be influential enough to change someone's point of view.

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This is directed at "Asif the Macho Man".

Asif, perhaps if you think with your brain,
you might see the reality.

Do not take me to be the final authority
on Shia faith. I merely attempt to use my
limited knowledge in favour of the Religion
of Allah.

You said what support I have to back my
claims of Shiaism being the Real Islam.

So I am telling you.

First of all, the mere fact that the Shia
belief, way of life, manner of prayer, and
Fiqah judgement concerning all walks of life
are based DIRECTLY on the practices of Imam
Hussain(AS) (grandson of Holy Prophet PBUH),
and his great-grandson Imam Ja'far As-Sadiq
(AS), is more than enough to support the
claim of truthfulness.

However, since you seem not the trust the
Great Family of the Holy Prophet PBUH
who have given 72 of their lives, including
those of a little infant of 6-months, in
order to save Islam single-handedly,
I WILL PRESENT YOU WITH THE ULTIMATE EVIDENCE.

THIS EVIDENCE IS THAT OF THE BOOK OF ALLAH,
THE HOLY QURAN AL-HAKIM, ALONG WITH AN
INCIDENCE WHICH WILL OPEN YOUR EYES.

Bukhari and Muslim, each in his Sahih, Imam Tha'labi in his Tafsir, Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal in Musnad, Tibrani in Mu'jamu'l-Kabir, Sulayman Balkhi
Hanafi in Yanabiu'l-Mawadda, Chapter 32, on the authority of the Tafsir of Ibn Abi Hatim, Manaqib of Hakim, Wasit and Wahidi, the Hilyatu'l-Auliya of Hafiz Abu
Nu'aim Isfahani, and Fara'id of Hamwaini, Ibn Hajar Makki in Sawa'iq Muhriqa, under verse 14 on the authority of Ahmad, Muhammad bin Talha Shafi'i in
Matalibu's-Su'ul, page 8, Tabari in Tafsir, Wahidi in Asbabu'n-Nuzul, Ibn Maghazili in Manaqib, Muhibu'd-Din Tabari in Riyazu'n-Nuzra, Mu'min Shablanji in
Nuru'l-Absar, Zamakhshari in Tafsir, Imam Fakhru'd-Din Razi in Tafsir Kabir, Seyyed Abu Bakr Shahabu'd-Din Alawi in Rishfatu's-Sadi min
Bahr-e-Faza'il-e-Baniu'l-Nabi'i'l-Hadi, Chapter 1, pages 22-23 on the authority of Tafsir of Baghawi, Tafsir of Tha'labi, Manaqib of Ahmad, Kabir and Ausat of
Tibrani and Sadi, Sheikh Abdullah bin Muhammad bin 'Amir Shabrawi Shafi'i in Al-'Ittihaf, page 5 on the authority of Hakim, Tibrani, and Ahmad, Jalalu'd-Din
Suyuti in Ihya'u'l-Mayyit on the authority of the Tafsirs of Ibn Mundhir, Ibn Abi Hatim, Ibn Mardawaih, and Mu'jamu'l-Kabir of Tibrani; and Ibn Abi Hatim and
Hakim - in short, most of your eminent ulema (barring a few staunch followers of the Bani Umayya and enemies of the Ahle Bait), have narrated from Abdullah bin
Abbas and others that when the following verse of the Holy Qur'an was revealed:

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"Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and

whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein..." (42:23)

, a group of companions asked "O Prophet of Allah, who are those of your relatives whose love has
been made obligatory on us by Allah?" The Prophet replied, "They are Ali, Fatima, Hasan, and Husain." Some hadith contain the words "and their sons," meaning
Hasan and Husain.

Moreover, the Family which followed the way
of the Prophet PBUH, and his foremost
assistant Hazrat Ali (AS) could not have been
in the wrong.

The importance of Hazrat Ali (AS) can be
judged from this:

One of your great SUNNI ulema is Mulla Ali Bin Sultan
Muhammad Harawi Qari. In his Mirqat-e-Sharh bar Mishkat, he says, commenting on the hadith of Manzila, "There is an indication in this hadith that if there were
any prophet of Allah after the last of the prophets, it would have been Ali." Another of your prominent ulema who has interpreted this hadith the same way is the well
known scholar, Jalalu'd-Din Suyuti. He writes towards the end of his Baghiatu'l-Wu'az Fi Tabaqatu'l-Huffaz, giving the chain of chroniclers up to Jabir Abdullah
Ansari, that the holy Prophet told the Commander of the Faithful, Ali "Had there been any prophet of Allah after me, it would have been you!"

In addition, Mir Seyyed Ali Hamadani Faqih Shafi'i says in the second of the six Mawadda in his book Mawaddatu'l-Qurba, quoting a narration from Anas Bin Malik,
that the Prophet said: "Verily, Allah made me superior to all the prophets, chose me for excellence, and made for me a successor, my cousin, Ali. Through him, He
strengthened my shoulders, just as the shoulders of Moses were strengthened by Aaron. He, (Ali) is my vicegerent and assistant. If there were any prophet after me, it
would have been Ali, but there will be no prophet after me."

More on Hazrat Ali (AS) and his great Family
as the final authority on Islam will be
posted later.

[This message has been edited by Bukhari (edited January 21, 1999).]

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Bukhari,
"First of all, the mere fact that the Shia
belief, way of life, manner of prayer, and
Fiqah judgement concerning all walks of life
are based DIRECTLY on the practices of Imam
Hussain(AS) (grandson of Holy Prophet PBUH),
and his great-grandson Imam Ja'far As-Sadiq (AS), is more than enough to support the
claim of truthfulness."

EVERY 'sect' believes that they are following the way showed to us by the Prophet(S.A.W.). So you still aren't backing up any of your claims.

"However, since you seem not the trust the
Great Family of the Holy Prophet PBUH who have given 72 of their lives, including those of a little infant of 6-months, in order to save Islam single-handedly, I WILL PRESENT YOU WITH THE ULTIMATE EVIDENCE."

The issue is not whether I trust the Prophet(S.A.W.) family or not, but it's about what we believe they said, for instance, you say that Mutah is still allowed, bcause Ali allegedly said that it was, but I have seen the Hadith in Sahih Muslim that said the practice was outlawed. So it's what we believe that was said by different people. If I believed that some of the Prophet(S.A.W.)'s family members said something, of course I would trust it. Another thing I'd like to add is that Abu Bakr(R.A.) and Umar(R.A.) also became family members of the Prophet (S.A.W.), because their daughters married him.

If you want to present me with Hadith to prove your point, I request that you get them from either Muslim or Bukhari, and give me good references so that I can look them up. It'll take me a while before I have access to Bukhari or Muslim, so it may take a while before I can respond to your next post.

I would tell you about some stuff that make Shiaism ridiculous, but I won't, since I respect most Shias and would hate to offend them.

One last thing I'd like to tell you is that we probably differ mainly in the Hadith we choose to believe are authentic. The only thing that's absolute as far as I'm concerned, is the Quran.

Before we continue this discussion, you should tell me his first: do you trust the Bukhari and Muslim books of Hadith?

If you don't, then there's no point in us trying to discuss this. The Hadith you consider authentic might not be worth anything to me and vice versa. If you do choose to keep discussing this, then you may have to wait a while for my replies, since I'll try to verify everything you tell me, and you should do the same about whatever I tell you.

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PG, what I'm discussing here is NOT a family
quarrel.

That is the very problem with you Sunnis:
You have lost perspective of all truth
because you choose to ignore the Holy Prophet
PBUH and his Great Family, and instead
you choose to follow the malicious Ummayids.

Those who have had power, wealth and fame
are not necessarily those who are in the
right. Even Yazid had power.

Your ancestors lived Yazid's and Muyavia's empire. Thus your ancestors were deprived of the Truth. That is why you follow the
corrupted "Islam" of the Ummayids.

This is NOT a family quarrel. It is a
fight to the death between RIGHT and WRONG.

There cannot be TWO versions of Islam.

Only ONE has to be followed.

This ONE has to be the one followed by the
Prophet PBUH's family.

If your ancestors were Yazid, Muyavia and
their associates, I urge you to muster up
the courage to stand up against your
ancestors, and to STOP DENYING the MOST OBVIOUS truth while your conscience tells you to accept it.

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This is the kind of opinion which presents the greatest dilema for the Muslims today. Are we brave enough to admit mistakes, retrace steps and make amends? Or, shall we arrogantly cling and defend traditions we have inherited from our forefathers? To be divided, drifting aimlessly in confusion and disunity and to be divided among ourselves about what is right and what is wrong, what is religious, secular, who is an alim who is not and a thousand other conflicting teachings highlighted so often in this forum.
As we contemplate the fate of the Muslims and agonize over traditions that many of us have come to love and fear to reject, let us be reminded by these verses:

· "When they are told, Follow God’s commandments only,’ they say,We follow what we found our parents doing.’ What if their parents lacked understanding and guidance? The example of such disbelievers is that of a parrot; they repeat what they heard without understanding. Deaf, dumb and blind, they fail to understand."

EVERYTHING that we need, the primordial elment, lies in the Quran, latent and merely waiting for us to reach out to it again. The clearest spring with its purest fount of
knowledge still runs straight and true in the Quran, just as it has from the day it was first revealed by God Almighty in His All-Encompassing Mercy for all mankind.

It does seem that the the diagreements on such issues of sects etc (who is right, who is wrong, who follows the 'true islam') is mankind’s perennial disease: the desire to associate God with gods. People set up idols thinking that these idols will bring them closer to God. But this is only an excuse. Actually, they set up these idols beside God because they want an illegal share in God’s kingdom without having to work for it, and without having to answer for their crimes. Through these idols, they legalize their whims and fancies without paying the least regard to God’s laws.

The answer to our dilemma, therefore, lies in our going to the Quran for guidance.

· "Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from other than God, they would have found many contradictions therein."

Such is the challenge written in the Quran. We are challenged to find even one contradiction within it. Does any other book, revealed or not, have any such statement? Does the hadith allow us to question itself, or does one become a heretic to do so? Is the hadith beyond reproach – perhaps it
occupies a plane higher than the above verse?

It is logical, therefore, that if our intention today is to honor and follow Prophet Muhammad(PBUH), we must return to his original and true teachings,i.e. the Quran, and cleanse his name of all the heresies that have been falsely attached to him.

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Bukhari,
I changed my mind, I don't want to argue with you about this. It would take too much of my time and effort to verify anything and to verify my own proofs. So believe what you believe and I'll believe what I believe. Keep telling how ridiculous you think Sunnism is and I'll get a good laugh out of it as I have from your previous posts on this matter.

May Allah guide us all.

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Asif, I feel the same way that you do. Remember though, that it is our duty to make da'wa and it is up to Allah (swt) who he wants to guide.

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Assalamualaikum.

The posting by Camille need some praise I think from us.
The Shias are too fond of going back to history, remember that
Allah (swt) will not ask us on judgement day what happened before
and who killed whom. It was a tragedy that happened to the grandsons
of hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) but who did it, why should not be a concern
to us. Whoever did it, will get the punishment due and will not
escape. We are to follow the holy Quran and Sunnah of hazrat Muhammad
(phuh) and study the hadiths for learning the quality of the sahabahs
(all of them) and their struggle/sacrifie for Islam. I still
couldnt understand why shias are rejectting harazt Abu Bakr Saidq (rta)
and hazrat Umar Farooq (rta) and only follows hazrat Ali (rta).
Their sect is like followers of hazrat Ali (rta), their imams and not
Allah's (swt) commandment and the sunnah of hazrat Muhammad (pbuh).
I have heard that they even say that hazrat Jibril (as) has wrongly
delivered the holy Quran to harazt Muhammad (phub) instead of hazrat
Ali (rta), is their such a thing?? (just for my knowledge only)

There are so many other problems facing muslim ummah nowadays, why
not do something about it rather then fighting for the name of true
muslim, we are not the judges, let Allah (swt) judge who is right
and wrong.

Regards

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IT SAYS SHIA IN THE QURAN BUT IT DOES NOT SAY SUNNI IN THE QURAN.
PS: INDIA HAS MORE MUSLIMS THAN IN PAKISTAN.
AN AWESOME SHIA MADE YOUR COUNTRY AND YOU SUNNIS RIPPED IT APART.

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Mr. Ali,

I agree with Camillee's posting and for the betterment of Islam/Muslim Ummah I would not argue the minor differences and any historical facts, BUT, I do know that it is not in anyone's best interest to assign fabricated and false actions/trends/Rasumaat to anyone without taking the full responsibility of knowing the validity of what one is going to state or post on any communication medium. In other words, Unless you can prove whatever you associated with Shia sect regarding their belief in your posting, I hope you would refrain from any more fabrication/false representation of Shia sect's belief on the mere fact that you have "heard" it from somewhere. I don't preach what I don't follow, meaning, you wouldn't find me associating any sort of false/fabricated beliefs/trends/methods to Sunni or any other Fiqah or sect.

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Mohammad Ali,

This is exactly where you Sunnis fail.

Shias do NOT claim that Quran was sent
wrongly to the Prophet PBUH. Indeed, the
Shias adore the Prophet PBUH and his family.

So much malice has been propagated against
the Prophet's family that lies such as the
one you stated are believed infinitely by
the Sunnis.

You said that "Their sect is like followers of hazrat Ali (rta), their imams and not
Allah's (swt) commandment and the sunnah of hazrat Muhammad (pbuh)."

Following Hazrat Ali (AS), and his family
IS EQUAL TO FOLLOWING THE HOLY PROPHET.

Reason being:

That on the last Khutba(Sermon), the Holy
Prophet took Hazrat Ali's hand, held it up high for everyone to see, and stated that: "Whosoever's Maula I am, his Maula is Ali".

Maula means master. If Hazrat Ali (AS)
is the master of the Muslims, then it means
something.

On numerous other occasions, the Prophet
PBUH said that Hazrat Ali(AS) is the best
amongst all the believers in terms of virtue
and piety.(Refer to my earlier quotations
of Hadith).

This meant that Hazrat Ali (AS) was the most
learned man in religion, and everything he
did was perfect and just like the Prophet
PBUH himself.
The Prophet did not say the same thing about
Abu Bakr, Umar or Usman.

Sunnis call themselves followers of the
Sunnat of the Prophet. In reality, they
follow the FIQAH of the Sahabas, which
contradicts the FIQAH of the Prophet's
family.
The word "Sunni" is entirely misleading.
Even we Shi'as follow the Prophet's Sunnat
in ITS ENTIRETY.

The DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SHIAS AND SUNNIS
arises in the manner of Prayer, which the
Shias practice as the Prophet's family
practiced, with hands open to sides.
The Sunnis practice it like the Prophet's
Sahabis practiced it, with their hands
folded.
Shi'as believe that the Prophet PBUH himself
prayed with his hands open and to his sides,
because then his family would not have
prayed like that, including Hazrat Ali (AS)
and Imam Hussain (AS). Keep in mind that
this Family was the entity which saved Islam
single-handedly from complete destruction
by offering the ultimate sacrifice of suffering and life.
Shi'as believe that those who prayed with
their hands folded kept small idols in them.
Thus they were not Muslims but hypocrites
and Mushrikeen.

Another difference arises in the question
of Muta.

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Dear brother Asif

You stated that:

"I would tell you about some stuff that make Shiaism ridiculous, but I won't, since I respect most Shias and would hate to offend them."

Please do indeed tell me the "stuff" that makes my religion ridiculous, because I dearly want to know what has evaded me for so long. Please do not hesitate to offend me, may the wrongful be offended in this world and in the Hereafter.

Regarding the laughs you get out of my posts,
perhaps you wouldn't get so many laughs
if you kept in mind the fact that the
Leaders of the Faithful in Paradise are
none other than Hasan (AS) and Hussain (AS).
(Remember the Hadith ?)

May Allah grant you courage to face the
truth.

Ameen

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Hadith can be found on the Internet at

Please go there to learn with a true heart.

Also, read the Sunni-Shia discourse at
http://www.shia.org and learn why Sunnism
is false and invalid. This was a discussion
known as Peshawar Nights, which happened in
Peshawar between great Sunni and Shia Ulema
from all over the Muslim world.

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In the name of Allah the most gracious the most merciful

May Allah SWT's curse be upon Abdulla saba

WHY SHIASM IS NOT ISLAM

  1. They give more importance to relation than to deeds, i.e. against the Quran, and against saying of Prophet SAW.

  2. They do not respect Ashab-e-Rasool SAW, which are the greatest Muslims after Prophet SAW. (proved from Quran and authentic ahadiths from Sahih Bukhari and Muslim)

  3. They do not repect the Mothers of believers, i.e. wives of Prophet SAW.

  4. They do Shirk, that is call Hazrat Ali RAA and Hazrat Hussain RAA for help (i.e. YA ALI, YA HUSSAIN) which is Shirk with Allah SWT and Mushrik are the ones who will never be forgiven and Shirk is the biggest sin.

  5. They are do not follow the sunnah of Prophet SAW and have invented many new things in the religion i.e bid'aat.

May Allah SWT guide me towards the religion of Mohammed SAW, the religion of Abu Bakr RAA, the religion of Umer bin Khattab RAA, the religion of Usman RAA the religion of Ali RAA (Ameen)

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To those whom you say hypocrites, Allah SWT has said something about them, pls read if you have time :

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YUSUFALI: If ye help not (your leader), (it is no matter): for Allah did indeed help him, when the Unbelievers drove him out: he had no more than one companion; they two were in the cave, and he said to his companion, "Have no fear, for Allah is with us": then Allah sent down His peace upon him, and strengthened him with forces which ye saw not, and humbled to the depths the word of the Unbelievers. But the word of Allah is exalted to the heights: for Allah is Exalted in might, Wise.

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YUSUFALI: The vanguard (of Islam)- the first of those who forsook (their homes) and of those who gave them aid, and (also) those who follow them in (all) good deeds,- well-pleased is Allah with them, as are they with Him: for them hath He prepared gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever: that is the supreme felicity.

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YUSUFALI: Verily those who plight their fealty to thee do no less than plight their fealty to Allah: the Hand of Allah is over their hands: then any one who violates his oath, does so to the harm of his own soul, and any one who fulfils what he has covenanted with Allah,- Allah will soon grant him a great Reward.

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YUSUFALI: Allah's Good Pleasure was on the Believers when they swore Fealty to thee under the Tree: He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down Tranquillity to them; and He rewarded them with a speedy Victory;

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YUSUFALI: Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

YUSUFALI: Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion - the one which He has chosen for them; and that He will change (their state), after the fear in which they (lived), to one of security and peace: 'They will worship Me (alone) and not associate aught with Me. 'If any do reject Faith after this, they are rebellious and wicked.

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YUSUFALI: Those who believe, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith, in the cause of Allah as well as those who give (them) asylum and aid,- these are (all) in very truth the Believers: for them is the forgiveness of sins and a provision most generous.

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YUSUFALI: And know that among you is Allah's Messenger: were he, in many matters, to follow your (wishes), ye would certainly fall into misfortune: But Allah has endeared the Faith to you, and has made it beautiful in your hearts, and He has made hateful to you Unbelief, wickedness, and rebellion: such indeed are those who walk in righteousness;-

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YUSUFALI: (Some part is due) to the indigent Muhajirs, those who were expelled from their homes and their property, while seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure, and aiding Allah and His Messenger: such are indeed the sincere ones:-

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YUSUFALI: But those who before them, had homes (in Medina) and had adopted the Faith,- show their affection to such as came to them for refuge, and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter), but give them preference over themselves, even though poverty was their (own lot). And those saved from the covetousness of their own souls,- they are the ones that achieve prosperity.

Great, so the leader of the believers will not be Prophet Mohammed SAW and will be Hazrat Hussain RAA and Hazrat Hassan RAA. Can you tell me the reference of this hadith.

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WHEN WILL YOU ASS FUCKING SUNNIS LEARN?
HADITHS AND SUNNAH HAVE BEEN CHANGED BY THE UMMAYADS.
MUHAMMED MARIED THOSE WOMEN FOR POLITICAL REASONS IE TO ENHANCE ISLAM. KHADIJAH IS THE TRUE WIFE OF MUHAMMED.
NUSRAT FATEH ALI KHAN WHO IS A SUNNI SAYS YA ALI AND YA HUSSEIN IN HIS SUFI SONGS. ABRAR UL HAQ SAYS YA HUSSEINI, YA JHOOLAY LAAL IN ONE OF HIS SONGS AS WELL.
SUNNISM ARE THE FOLLOWERS OF UMAYADS.(MUHAMMED WAS NOT AN UMMAYAD)
SHIASIM ARE THE FOLLOWERS OF MUHAMMED AND HIS FAMILY.