coolio,Billo, Beeloo and now Indianbaba.
[This message has been edited by guest (edited January 30, 1999).]
salaam,
i think we should all just be "MUSLIMS". no shiasm, no sunnism, no this, no that. i mean does the Holy Quran say that we should be either one of those. it says that do not follow your forefathers. (I don't know which ayah it exactly is so if someone knows please feel free to put it in). and sunnism, shiasm and the rest were created by our forefathers there is no doubt about that. we should as this generations' muslims try to find out the true islam, which is following the Quran. don't follow some imam or some molvi. now where in the Quran does it say that these people should be followed. they are merely making their opinions on certain subjects in the Quran which weren't made clear. for instance, if Allah (swt) wanted to make music haram He would have said it in clear words. i don't think He has any shortage of words or any problem watsoever to declare something in the Quran. now back to the subject of the sects, we have spent eternity fighting on which sect is the true one. only if we were to realize that following the way of the prophet(pbuh) and following the Quran is the only thing that is worthy of following. not the sahaba(sunnism) or the prophets family (shiasm) or any others. those were merely people and following people is shirq. There is only one God, Allah(swt) and only one true, devine word from Him, which He himself said would protect, the Holy Quran. so we should try to find the truth in there and not in some other form as a molvi or what the history claims, cuz we all know history isn't always the truth. we need to stop fighting about some thing that happened soo long ago. things get changed, stories get changed. why is it that the shias and sunnis have a different history of what happened after Prophet Mohammad died? people just try to find the true, beautiful religion which was liked by Allah (swt) and don't follow what others did. May Allah (swt) strenghten our imaan and show us the truth. Ameen.
i apoligize for any mistakes i made, i'm not very knowledgable in this subject so if anyone wants to correct me go ahead.
fi.imaan.ullah
wsalaam
Alhamdolillah -e- Rabbil Alameen wassalato wassalamo ala ashrafil ambiaee wal mursaleen saeedna Muhammad wa ala ali wa ashabi wa man tabiahum ila ihsanin ila yaumiddin.
Amma ba'ad
May my parents and whole family be sacrificed on Muhammed ibn Abdullah SAW. Allah SWT says in Quran at many places,
Ateeullaha wa ateeurrasul ....
Obey Allah SWT and obey Prophet SAW
Even at one place Allah SWT says that no one is a true Muslim until he obey Muhammed SAW and then on any subject follows his decision without any doubt or hate.
And Allah SWT says in Quran that "We have not send Prophet but to be obeyed"
RMukhtar
I agree to you that we shall be just Muslims and not sunnis or Shias and the way of doing that is to follow Quran and Sunnah.
For your kind information Music is not halal in Islam, it was not liked by Prophet SAW. As far as the excuse that it is not prohibited in Quran, then CAN you tell me where is Alcohol made haram in Quran, it is not. But in ahadith we see that Prophet SAW made it haram for Muslims. Quran does not tell us the way of prayer, bath, eating, sleeping, jihad, Haj, Umrah, etc. it is the sunnah of Prophet SAW which guides us in each walk of life. A question arises naozobillah did Allah SWT had shortage of words, why didn't then HE mentioned clearly everything in the Quran i.e. which sect is right one, shia or sunni, what is the way of prayer, whom we have to select Nawaz Sharif or Benazir. BUT, Allah SWT has put us in exam, test, HE wants to see if we follow His book and His Prophet SAW because that is the condition for success.
Islam is the combination of Quran and sunnah, you neglect one and go astray. Prophet SAW said the group which follows me and my Sahaba will be the successful one on the day of judgement.
Mr.baba
First of all please correct your language, it only tells us the way you are brought up. It does do any wrong to anyone except yourself.
Secondly, can you tell me the ayat in Quran or any hadith which says that what ever Nusrat Fateh Ali or Ibrar ul Haq do , we have to follow them. I really want to see that.
Thirdly, if tomorrow Ibrar ul Haq will convert to hindism, will you also convert.
Fourth, If ummayyads have changed the hadiths/ sunnah, didn't they changed the Quran also. So naozobillah you should also not follow Quran.
Fifth, a person, who prays five times a days, spends all his money in Allah's way, fast in Ramadan, helps the poor, goes for Haj every year, does Jihad in Allah's way, IF HE ALSO DOES SHIRK, HE WILL NEVER GO TO PARADISE, WRITE IT DOWN WITH YOU.
Allah SWT hates shirk the most, He says in Quran that He i.e. Allah SWT will forgive all sins of ibn-e-Adam but will not forgive Shirk and that Allah SWT has made Jannah haram on Mushrik and that Shirk is a azeem Zulm.
Recently i have read a hadith in which Prophet SAW said, momin who didn't do shirk in his life, Allah SWT will for sure put him in Jannah someday. i.e. after getting the punishment of all his sins he will go to jannah one day. But as i said above MUSHRIK WILL NEVER GO TO JANNAH.
One more advice for you is if you follow something, follow Quran / Sunnah from a religious man, or a religious scholar who has knowledge of Quran and Sunnah, and not Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan or Ibrar Ul Haque.
Wa ma alaina illalbalagh.
Wassalam Alaikum
YOURE JUST JEALOUS OF THOSE MUSICIANS
YOU WILL NEVER PROOVE THAT MUSIC IS HARAAM IN ISLAM
QURAN IS NOT CHANGED JUST MESSED UP. I ALWAYS WONDERED WHY IT STARTED IN MADINAH THEN TO MAKKAH? THE HIJRAH WENT IN THE OPPOSITE WAY.
WHY DOES THE QURAN ALWAYS INTERRUPT SURAS OF THE AHLAY BAITH?
ACCORDING TO SOME SCHOLARs (900 of them) ONE VERSE SAYS THAT MY SON IN LAW WILL BE MY SUCCESSOR, THAT VERSE, IS ALWAYS INTERRUPTED WITH THE TALK OF JESUS, MOSES, ABRAHAM OR ADAM WHO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT TIME. ABU BAKR-THE ONE WHO ORDERED THE COTEMPLATION OF THE QURAN, IS THE CULPRIT. According to the Quran Abu Bakr and the other two caliphs are Munafick(COWARDS). It says that those who leave you at battle are cowards and traitors. People thought that Muhammed had been killed, so these three left the battle feild. Ali got everyone, togethor and fought back at the opposing forces. That was just a test. Muhammed was not killed. A test to see who was brave and would fight for Islam, and who would run away cowardly.
Abdulla
What greatly interests me in most Sunni-Shia
discourses is that the Sunnis SEEM to be
increasingly ignorant about Ahadith, and
the implications of historical events that
should appeal to the common sense of a sane
individual.
My grandfather had told me that the Sunnis
know the truth all along, yet they pretend
not to understand and perceive. They pretend
to forget Ahadith, Quranic implications, etc.
This seems to be the case with you. Or, you
indeed are ignorant.
We Shias simply state that the Prophet PBUH
's family cannot make a mistake about Islamic
Fiqah. Therefore it is most wise to follow
the Fiqah of the Prophet PBUH’s family as
opposed to the Fiqah of the Ummayads.
Also, saying Ya Ali is not Shirk, because
we are not asking for Ali’s help. Rather,
we are making Ali a WASILA to ask for
Allah’s help.
Allah has allowed us to ask others for help
in this world. For example, doctors,
teachers, Prophets and Saints.
Saying Ya Ali is not a matter of Shia faith.
It is simply a slogan, or a little phrase
we utter to instill courage in our hearts.
You may not understand the profundity of this
just now.
The Hadith about the “Janat
ke Sardar”, i.e., the Leaders of the Faithful
in Paradise, or the Guardians of Paradise,
are Hasan (AS) and Hussain (AS), is
mentioned in most elementary school Islamiyat
texts. So it is a wonder you have not heard
of it. The Prophet PBUH has a rank even higher.
About common sense:
Since the Prophet has clearly stated that
“Whosoever’s Maula I am, his Maula is Ali”
and that “Ali is the best amongst the
believers in all aspects” should be enough
to convince any sane person about the
infallible character of Ali (AS) and his
incredible knowledge and adherence to Islam,
which is second to the Prophet PBUH only.
It is clear from Ahadith that Ali (AS)
is the person who is most learned in Islam,
and also the strongest follower of it,
after the Holy Prophet PBUH.
The Prophet also said that “Fatima is my
most beloved among all women.” Having said
that, he also married her to his beloved
Ali (AS). Why didn’t he marry her to
Umar, Abu bakr or Usman.
The Prophet PBUH married Ayesha because
Abu Bakr offered him her hand. He did not
refuse because of reasons he knows best.
But don’t forget, that during the battle
of Ohad, everyone left the Prophet PBUH
alone and ran for their lives, including
Abu Bakr.
But guess who stayed with him and defended
him against kafirs’ cavalry attack. Ali (AS). After seeing this, the
13 Companions who Ran felt some shame and
came back. Ali (AS) thus saved the Prophet PBUH’s life.
All these Ahadith can be verified at
http://www.islam.org and http://www.shia.org
Do we want to survive.
This response is directed to BUKHARI and other strongly but wrongly motivated Muslims.
Dear. I think we are just wasting our precious time and energy in these kinds of discussions and debates, which are going to be fruitless.
In this world, where as Muslim, we are already facing lots of challenges and crisis at present time. Every where you will find something is happening with the Muslims as a religious group. Bosnia, Cossovo, Kashmir, Iraq, Philistine, Algeria and every where our enemies are trying to crush us, most of the time cowardly and some time openly. Why dont you realize that when they want to kill us they do not differentiate between Shia and Sunni, Wahabi and sulfi, Dubandi and Brelvi. Why don’t we realize that they are as against of Muslims of Iran and Iraq as Libya and Sudan and other countries? They consider us one nation.
And yes indeed, we are one nation. We all believe in one God, one Rasool and one Kitab. Then what all this fuss about? May be some of you think that you are the best Muslims and others are not. But thats it. May some Shia think that Sunnis are worst Muslim. May some Sunni thinks that Shias are worst Muslim. But Still they are all MUSLIMS.So all debates and discussions are about being worst and the best. May be some our Muslim brothers think that this discussion is important. But just think about it in your heart and ask to your self. Is this really the time of such things?. At present, our Muslim Umma is facing a lot of challenges from our enemies. But we are already divided into several different sectors. Our enemies wants us to be remain like that so that they can destroy us easily.
We need to understand their policies and should not play in their hands. Before opening the discussion that one should pray Salat with open hand or closed hand, or Say Amin loudly or softly, don't you think that praying Salat is more important than the way it is performed. Why do we forget that our beautiful land Philistine and religious places and mosques like Al-Aqsa have been occupied by our worst enemies. But we think oh they are Arabs fighting for their own land. Can’t we see that every now and then Israeli come and bomb us on Lebanon and kill our people without any reasons and we say ( under the influence of western media ) oh they are Iranian backed Shia who are being killed. Our miilions of children are dying in Iraq due to starvation and lack of medicine. We are quiet because we think that Iraq is our real enemy, not the USA or the Western countries who put the worst embargo of the history of united nations on Iraqi people. and even after nine years of intense monitoring and humiliating inspection, still claims that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Our Arab countries are playing like puppet in their hands because of this propaganda. None of our leaders has dare to asked them why don’t you put the same sanction and embargo against Israel who also has these weapons and who has been violating UN resolution since 1948. Our thousands of brothers are being killed , our mothers and sisters are being raped every day in Kashmir , Bosnia and. most recently in Kossovo. But we are totally indifferent to all these issues. Instead, here we are, talking about small things and fighting and killing each others on small issues.That is what Hazerat Ali(RZ) or Hazrat Immam Hussain asked Shia to do ? or that what Our Khulfa-e-Rashdeen have asked the Sunni Muslims to do ?
The poet of the East, Allama Iqbal had asked us one time
Kiya Zamane main panapne ki yehi baatein hein
Are we ready to answere him? What has happened to us? Why we have become like this. Our dear prophet (SAW) said that all Muslims are like parts of a body, then why can't we feel pain and sufferings of our brothers and sisters?.
Dear brothers and sisters.
Do not forget to take lessons from the history, not others but from our own history. When Hallakoo Khan invaded Baghdad and started killing thousands of our children, brothers and sisters He did not ask who is Shia and who is Sunni.Our libraries and mosques (irrespective of their fiqah and groups ) were being burnt. Our streets were filled with blood of both Shia ansd Sunni Muslims. At that time we, the Muslim, instead of being united and resisting and fighting against him, we were fighting with each others in the sreets of Baghdad. And do you know at that crucial time why these Muslims were killing each others ? what they were fighting for ? They were debating whether Quran is Khulq or Kitab. And other irrelevant issues.
Are we not repeating the same story here ?
Dear brothers and sisters Plaese, please do not waste your knowledege, your time, your energy over fighting with Muslims and their differences. If you have time, if you have knowledge, write against the obvious atrocities being done to the Muslims of all over the world. Not only the Muslims but all the suppressed nations deserve our attentions. Write e-mail about them. Read about them and watch our enemies. Write articles to different international and national News Papers and web sites and let the world know the true feeling of Muslims over different issues. Let the non Muslim world and more importantly the kings, leaders, Molvi and Mulla (who are exploiting us) of our respective countries that although you are trying to divide us and trying to exploit us against each others but we are united and we will be united, Insha Allah.
Don’t we all some time feel that Allah is very unhappy with us because of our deeds. But I believe and I am sure all of you will with me in this belief, that we still have time to please Allah. HE will definitely forgive us if we apologize to HIM with our heart and sincerity. HE will bless us the same glory and dignity which we had in the past.(Insha Allah). And He will help us in our struggle for survival. But do we really want to survive.?
Mr. Indian Baba
There is an ayat in Quran to address people like you :
Wa iza khataba humul jahiloona kalu salama
Mr. Bukhari
It seems that you have been following what ever your grandfather had told you. Try to find out what is truth. Read some good books, gain some knowledge about the topic and then give your comments.
SHIRK
First of all please try to find out the definition of Shirk and then find out the usage of harf YA, which is harf-e-nida in Arabic language, which is used to call someone in presence. Now if you believe that whereever you are Hazrat Ali RAA can hear you, then this is SHIRK.
The only thing you can do is ask a man who is alive that please pray for me, this is allowed. But you cannot ask this to any dead person or even any Shaheed, because the life of Shaheed is not like us, its a different life which we cannot understand.
MAULA
The meaning of Maula is Master as said by you only. Then can you tell me who is your Master Allah SWT or Hazrat Ali RAA. Of course Allah SWT is the master of the whole universe. There are some words which can be said for Allah SWT only, Will you say the Hazrat Ali is your God also ??
Try to understand the things you are doing, you even don't know the meaning and usage of word YA, you do not know that only Allah SWT is our Master and the meaning and usage of word Maula. Do not blindly follow your Grand Father. Allah SWT has given you brain also, think with that what is right and what is wrong.
There is a limit for respect for everybody, you cannot give any human being the place of God. Hazrat Ali RAA or Hazrat Hussain RAA were also human beings, and they were great personalities because of their deeds not because of their relation. If relation was so effective then Abu Talib should have accepted Islam, but he didn't, and so he died as a Kafir. So do you think Allah SWT will forgive him because he was uncle of Prophet SAW or father of Hazrat Ali RAA. No, THE LAW OF ALLAH SWT IS SAME FOR ALL.
Pakiboy
Yes, you are right Allah SWT is not pleased with us, and why should He be when people are talking Maula other than Him and doing SHIRK with Him.
No concession in religion, if something is wrong it is wrong. Take the example of Hazrat Abu Bakr RAA, just after the death of Prophet SAW he fought Jihad with those who refused to pay Zakat. Even Hazrat Umer RAA had told him that right now the time is very sensitive, later we can see them. But Subhan'Allah he did not agreed and fought against the munkar.
No concession or compromise in religion, If compromise would have been done then today even Qadianese would have been called Muslims.
Wa ma alaina illal balagh
Abdulla,
About Maula:
This word can indeed be used in any other
sense besides meaning God. Master can be
your leader. Since this is an infallible
Hadith of the Prophet to which even
Sunnis agree, you cannot dispute with the
Prophet PBUH on this.
About "Ya Ali":
I shall prove that Ya Ali is not shirk.
Read carefully.
CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING AYAT OF QURAN AL HAKIM:
"He said: 'O chiefs which of you can bring to me her throne before they come to me in submission?'
One audacious among the Jinn said: 'I will bring it to you before you rise up from your place; and most surely I am strong (and) trusty
for it.' One who had the knowledge of the Book said: 'I will bring it to you in the twinkling of an eye.' Then when he saw it settled beside
him, he said: 'This is of the grace of my Lord....'" (27:38-40)
EXPLANATION:
The bringing of the throne of Bilqis (Queen of Sheba) to Solomon was impossible for every creature. Admittedly, it was unusual, and the
Prophet Solomon, despite his knowing that it required divine power, did not ask Almighty Allah to bring the throne but asked mere
creatures to help him. This fact shows that seeking others' help is not polytheism. Allah, the first cause, is the Creator of the causes of
this world. Polytheism is a matter of the heart. If a man asks for someone's help and does not consider him Allah or His partner, it is not
forbidden. This situation is common everywhere. People go to the houses of others and ask them for help without taking the name of
Allah. If I go to a physician and ask him to cure me, am I a polytheist? Again, if a man is drowning, and he cries for help, is he a
polytheist? So please be fair and do not misconstrue facts. The whole Shia community believes that if anyone considers the descendants
of the Prophet as being Allah or partners in His Self, he is surely a polytheist. You might have heard Shias in trouble crying, "O Ali, help
me!" "O Husain, help me!" This does not mean that they are saying "O Allah Ali, help me!" "O Allah Husain, help me!" But the fact is
that since the world is a house of secondary causes, we consider them the means of deliverance from troubles. We seek the help of Allah
through them.
Our permanent attention regarding our desires, distresses, and anguish is fixed upon Allah, the Absolute. But the Holy
Qur'an says that we should reach Almighty Allah, through some means of approach.
Allah Almighty Himself says:
"O you who believe! Do your duty to Allah and
seek the means of approach to Him." (5:38)
The words "means of approach" in the above verse refer to the descendants of the Holy Prophet. Why? Read on.
In many hadith, the Prophet recommended to us that in our troubles we invoke his descendants as a means of approach
to Allah. Many of your SUNNI ulema, like Hafiz Abu Nu'aim Isfahani, in his Nuzulu'l-Qur'an fi Ali (Revelations in the Qur'an about Ali), Hafiz
Abu Bakr Shirazi in his Ma Nazala mina'l-Qur'an fi Ali and Imam Ahmad Tha'labi in his Tafsir (Commentary) say that wasilat (means of
approach) in the above verse means the descendants of the Prophet. This reference has been apparent from many hadith of the Prophet.
Ibn Abi'l-Hadid Mu'tazali, one of your respected ulema, says in his Sharhe Nahju'l-Balagha, Volume IV, page 79, that Bibi Fatima Zahra
referred to the meaning of this verse in the presence of the Muhajirs and Ansars, while delivering her address in connection with the
usurpation of her estate of Fadak, in these words:
"I praise Allah for Whose Dignity and Light the residents of the skies and the earth seek means of approach towards Him. Among His
creation we are the means of approach."
Dear Mr. Bukhari.
"History is what you bleave", it will never come close to absolute truth! Islam is a religion and it is not only a way of life and sariah. All basis of knowledge including logic, resoning, theology, phillosphy and even the "Great science" will not give you abslute truth, and inferences you get from then be different in different envoirment. you all have spent a good amount of time in serch of Hadees which could support your argument. but Mr. Bukhari I a real problem in accepting your analysis.
If I bleave Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) as the last prophet of Allah,( and the greatest prophet ever send from Allah for the whole universe) and who has completed the DEAN of ISLAM, and then also accept your views that despite of all his greatness, and the greatnes of ISLAM as a religion, the ISLAM was hijached and distorted soon after his death. and Prophet Muhammed (P.B.U.H) nauzobillah was unable to teach any of his close followers the real Islam except for his Daughter, son in law and grandsons. Then what kind of pictute you and others like you are trying to poterate regarding Greatness of Islam and Greatness of our prophet (P.B.U.H)
Yal lay Rasool and Yal lay Hussain has their own Importence in history and Islam and All Muslims should respect and follow their footstep, but that should not be the reasons for disrespect for other followers.
My friend truth is not always BLACK or WHITE, majority lies in the big spectrum of GRAY.
Please do not try to over simpleyfy the Religion (ISLAM) it will create more problems and what it solve. because
you do not know the whole truth
you will not know the whole
you can not know the whole truth,
there is only one who knows the WHOLE TRUTH, and we all call him GOD.
Kalim
I really have to thank you for all that you've written Suunism. You've done a really great job!! I've never been as strong a Muslim as I am now, ever since I read all your postings! You've been a huge stepping stone for me towards an ever stronger faith in Islam!! I really have to thank you!!
Now, I am a Sunni for life. The only problem is that your thread will most likely cause Sunnis and Shias to fight against each other, and it seems doubtful that anybody else will benefit from it as I have.
May Allah bless you!!
Bukhari, thanks for the dua,
"May Allah grant you courage to face the truth.
Ameen."
As you can see, Allah has granted me courage to see the truth.
As for this request:
"Please do indeed tell me the "stuff" that makes my religion ridiculous, because I dearly want to know what has evaded me for so long. Please do not hesitate to offend me, may the wrongful be offended in this world and in the Hereafter."
You should have asked BEFORE I decided not to continue this discussion with you. After reading your postings, I don't think we'll be able to resolve anything. The only thing it would accomplish would be to start a war between us. We would just end up insulting each other and nothing more. I do not want to start a war against you and all the rest of the Shias, so I'll be the one to walk away from this argument. Nothing good came out of it so far. This argument has been going on for almost a week, and you failed to convince me about anything you are saying.
I would like us to put aside our differences. If we both follow the Quran, then that's good enough for me.
One last thing that I would like to add is that even if the Hadith where the Prophet(S.A.W.) said that whoever considers him as their Master should also consider Ali(R.A.) as their master, were authentic, then I'd have to say that I DON'T consider Muhammad(S.A.W.) to be my master. I consider Allah and only Allah to be my Master. Muhammad(S.A.W.) was only a slave of my Master. If Shias believe that Muhammad(S.A.W.) is their master, then that alone is enough to convince me that you are wrong. Please note that this is not one of the things that I had in mind that would make you seem ridiculous, but it's just something that I noticed as I was about to start writing this message and thought I should mention it.
So believe what you will, and I'll believe what I will. It appears that you can't convince me that I am wrong and I can't convince you that you are wrong.
I think you should stop this discussion, only because it isn't going to accomplish anything except turn Sunnis and Shias against each other.
May Allah guide us all, and give you the guidance He has given me through your words.
Ameen.
Asif, you are like the camel who buries his
face in the sand upon seeing a predator.
Before I go any futher, please consider the
following points. I will validify
these points if you ask me to.
You have failed to find the
Hadith banning Mutah, while
I have pointed out the exact
location of the many Ahadith
and references in
Sahih Bukhari which
clearly allow Mutah.Hazrat Ali (AS) is referred to
in the Quran many times, while
only once a vague reference to Abu Bakr is given therein.The Prophet PBUH has
said clearly that his family is
a means of approach to
Allah.The Holy Prophet PBUH
has said clearly that Ali (AS)
is to him like Haroon (AS) was
to Musa (AS), except that
Ali (AS) was not a prophet.The Holy Prophet PBUH
has said clearly that if there
was to be a prophet after him,
it would have been Ali (AS).Love of the Prophet's family
has been made
OBLIGATORY by Allah on all
Muslims.Since Muyavia and Yazid
were cursed by the Prophet
PBUH, and their religion is
what you so-called 'Sunnis'
practice today, you Sunnis are
doing WRONG to yourselves.
Seek the truth and attempt to
be humble and correct
yourselves sincerely.
NEXT, I WILL QUOTE THE
QURANIC AYA'AT WHICH
REFER TO ALI (AS).
SO STAY WATCHFUL.
PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING TO
GAIN KNOWLEDGE. After the following, I
will post Quranic References to Hazrat Ali,
including that of Ali’s Ring Donation.
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The following has been copied from
http://www.al-islam.org
The Ahlul Bayt or household of the Prophet Muhammad - peace be upon him and his household [pbuh] - refers to his daughter Fatima al-Zahra, his successor and son-in-law, Imam Ali, their two sons Imam Hasan and Imam Husayn, and the nine Imams from the lineage of Imam Husayn, peace be upon them all.
The Holy Qur’an
Regarding them, Allah (God), the most Glorified and High, says in the Holy Qur’an:
… Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying…
[Source: The Holy Qur’an, translated by M. H. Shakir, Chapter 33, verse 33]
Muhammad [pbuh], the Prophet of Islam
The Prophet of Islam [peace upon him and his household], in the well-attested tradition called Hadith al-Thaqalayn said:
Verily, I am leaving behind two precious things (thaqalayn) among you: the Book of God and my kindred (`itrah), my household (Ahl alBayt), for indeed, the two will never separate until they come back to me by the Pond (of alKawthar on the Judgement’s Day).
[Source: Please see Hadith al-Thaqalayn: A Study of its Tawatur]
Ali [a], the first Imam, successor to the Prophet
“…We the people of the house (of the Prophet - Ahlul bayt) possess the doors of wisdom and light of governance. Beware that the paths of religion are one and its highways are straight. He who follows them achieves (the aim) and secures (the objective). And he who stood away from it went astray and incurred repentance.” [Sermon 119]
“We are the near ones, companions, treasure holders and doors (to the Sunnah). Houses are not entered save through their doors. Whoever enters them from other than the door is called a thief.” [Sermon 153]
“Where are those who falsely and unjustly claimed that they are deeply versed in knowledge, as against us, although Allah raised us in position and kept them down, bestowed upon us knowledge but deprived them, and entered us (in the fortress of knowledge) but kept them out. With us guidance is to be sought and blindness (of misguidance) is to be changed into brightness. Surely Imams (divine leaders) will be from the Quraysh. They have been planted in this line through Hashim. It would not suit others nor would others be suitable as heads of affairs.” [Sermon 143]
[Source: Nahjul Balagha, translated by Syed Ali Raza]
"We are lights of the heavens and the earth and the ships of salvation. We are the repository of knowledge, and towards us is the home-coming of all the matters. Through our Mahdi all (false) arguments shall be refuted, and he is the seal of the Imams, the deliverer of the Ummah, and the extremity of the light. Happy are those who hold on to our handle and are brought together upon our love.
[Source: Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi, Tadhkirat al-khawass, p. 138]
Therefore, based on the above and other lines of evidence, it is the belief of Islam that the Holy Prophet and his family [peace be upon them] were blessed by Allah and purified to the level of being pure and sinless throughout their distinguished lives.
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Please take the effort to go to
http://www.al-islam.org
http://www.shia.org
to learn the truth.
May Allah bless you all with His Grace and
Mercy
Ameen
If my limited knowledge is correct, than anyone who says Kalma, beliefs in Allah and Prophet is considered a Muslim.
Please tell me if I am wrong?? If I am not, then I really think that before anyone continue this argument of shiaism/sunnism, they should read Pakiboy's post on this thread. I think he is the most sensible, open-minded, analytical, intellectual muslim person I have seen so far on this religious forum.
Too bad we, muslims, don't learn from our past or present to preserve a bright future for ourselves. And how could we? We are too busy judging other muslims and their deeds as it was our only reason of life and we were the direct appointment from Allah to oversee other pathetic muslims??
I do not know you guys's grasp of Islamic knowledge and history, but I can tell you this for certain, that these discussions and Muzakarey between different thoughts of Islam especially between Shias and Sunnis had been going on for centuries and centuries. Please don't think for a minute that any posting by you would serve anyone any good as we all know, every one of us have strong inclination in what we believe.
I totally agree with Imranz views on this discussion.
Imranz !
Thank you very much for your complements and good words about me and my writings. I am not a scholar, neither an intellectual and nor a religious man. I am just trying my best to be a Muslim, perhaps a good Muslim.
You are right about the definition of MUSLIM, when you said that any one who says that he believes in Allah as a ONE God and admits that Muhammad (SAW) is his true and LAST prophet, is a MUSLIM. Rest of the other aspects of Islam are matters of being good and bad, best or worst Muslims. Sunni thinks because along with other characteristics, they respect all the Sahaba of Prophet (SAW) without any discrimination so they are the best.On the other hand Shia Claims that because, in addition to some other virtues, they are close to AALE RASOOL so they are the best. Shia thinks that being close. Now the question really is, Who is more right and who is more wrong ?". Answer to this question no body know except ALLAH.
Our history witnessed that for the last 1400 years we Muslims are fighting with each others and trying our best to prove that one is better the other. But the fact is that we have been unable to convince each others.
So my message to brother ABDULLA, brother BUKHARI, brother QASIM and other brothers and sisters that YOU will be naive and will be living in foolish Paradise if you think that just by writing in this page Hadith after Hadith and AAYA after AAYA any one of you will be able to solve the question which has been unresolved for the last 1400 years.
So please do not waste your knowledge and your time in these kind of controversial issues.
It seems to me that all of you have immense knowledge of Quran, Hadith and all of you have energy and Iman. Why don't you use these God gifted qualities in positive ways.
We are entering into new millennium. Please try to understand the real threat and challenges which we are facing now and will be facing in our future. See how Yahhodi, Christian and Hindu lobbies are aligning themselves together against Islam. Read the News papers, listen to their programs on radio, watch their shows on TV and scroll over the internet, you will be stung with the facts that how cleverly and cowardly these forces are working against us. When you will discover all these policies and schemes against us by your own,I am sure that you will be ashamed of what you are doing now and will be repented to find that you were wasting your knowledge, time and energy in these kinds of issues.
But its never too late.
May Allah bless all of us and forgive us for all of our sins. (amen)
[This message has been edited by pakiboy (edited January 27, 1999).]
Pakiboy,
My comments about your personality was based on your conscious post that I have yet to see from any other muslim. One doesn't need to be a Faqi to grasp the knowledge of current events of muslim ummah, instead all you need, is a bright, consicous, educated person to analyze current world affairs.
Problems with us, muslims, is that we have yet to decide whether a personality 1400 years ago embraced Islam or not and other historical minor complications. Muslims live in Past, they lack knowledge to lead the advances in current world and the future to come. You can find many muslims discussing hadith after hadith and yet they would not know of their status compare to other nations in today's world. Unfortunately I think I would have to agree with a christian english writer, Bernard Shaw when he said,
"Islam is the best religion, and muslims the worst nation"
Too bad we are neither mentally,emotionally or physically able to prove him wrong even in today's world
salaam,
Bukhari:
why don't u just ask Allah (swt) for help, why ask Hazrat Ali or Hazrat Hussain for help. when you have a problem wouldn't you want to ask someone who is more experienced, or more elderly because they would know better. so Allah (swt) is the most supreme being and therefore he should be asked for help. and i don't understand why u Shia's don't think of this as SHIRK. you guys do maathum and yell hazrat Ali's and Hazrat Hussain's, etc , names. Allah(swt) does not want you to hurt yourself in worshipping him. like when you are sick and are not able to offer your prayers, you don't have to or you could just do them sitting up, etc. besides you're not even worshipping him while you people perform maathum, and maathum shouldn't be done anyways, period.
wsalaam
"Asif, you are like the camel who buries his
face in the sand upon seeing a predator."
So, what does that make you?
If you wanted the Hadith that proves mutah is forbidden, you only had to ask. Now that you have, I'll provide it Insha Allah.
About the points you offered to clarify, please clarify them all. I will take the time to visit your websites when I have time to look through entire websites. As I have requested you in another thread, please post your proofs in a more legible manner, i.e. first post your point, then state the hadith that proves it, then state the source.
As I have told you already, I do not want to continue this argument, but I'll read what you have to say. If you don't believe that it was Abu Bakr who was the imaam for the Prophet(S.A.W.) last Salaat, then don't even bother answering the question:
If Ali(R.A.) was to be the Prophets(S.A.W.)'s "obvious successor", then why is it that Abu Bakr(R.A.) lead the Prophet(S.A.W.)'s last Salaat and NOT ALI(R.A.)? And if Ali(R.A.) was to be the obvious successor of the Prophet(S.A.W.), why didn't the Prophet(S.A.W.) do anything about it when he was still alive?
As I told you in your other thread, which you either didn't bother to read or at least to reply to my post, this fact makes me doubt everything you say about Ali being the Prophet(S.A.W.) obvious successor.
If you don't believe that it was Abu Bakr(R.A.) who lead the Prophet(S.A.W.) last Salaat, then we shouldn't even discuss this, since everything you believe, I'll consider a lie, everything I believe, you'll consider a lie.
Also, you make it sound like Sunnis don't love and respect Ali(R.A.) and the rest of the Prophet(S.A.W.)'s family, but we do. The only thing is that we do not differentiate between them, Abu Bakr(R.A.), Umar(R.A.), and Usman(R.A.) and many more of the Sahaba(R.A.).
I was read your analogy again:
'Imagine if a person is passing by a bank.
At that very moment, a robber breaks into the
bank, kills the guards and escapes with a
lot of money. The passer-by tries to catch
the robber but gets himself injured.
The police and press arrive, and they catch
the innocent passer-by instead. They publish
the story in the newspapers. The whole
nation reads it, and believes the innocent
passer-by to be the robber. The innocent man is hanged. But before his death, he tells his
children the truth about his innocence. Centuries pass by. Grandparents tell their children the
story of this notorious "robber".'
I realized it is quite a fake analogy. If a bank has been robbed, and some injured person is lying near the bank, empty handed, then anyone would know he didn't do it.
[This message has been edited by Asif the Macho Man (edited January 29, 1999).]
Brothers
Why don,t you understand that you will not be able to resolve this issue now when it has not been resolved for the 1400 years. Just mind your own bussiness, keep on your own faith, be stick to it. Who is right who is wrong, leave it up to Allah.
Indianbaba,Billo,Beeloo all are coolio or coolio2.
[This message has been edited by guest (edited January 30, 1999).]