Why some things are missing from Quran ?

I am just trying to understand and come up with some argument to quite my naffs down.

Quran does not make somethings specifically haram e.g alcohol although blood , pig meat are specifically made haram.
It is hadees which tells us that alcohol is haram. But then we read in Quran that prophet cannot make anything haram which is not made haram by Allah.

Accepting interest is specifically made haram but paying interest is not made haram specifically.

It is from hadees we find out that accepting and paying interest both are haram.

Death by stoning for rapists and out of wedlock sex is not prescribed in Quran specifically.

It is from hadees that we find evidence for death by stoning for these crimes.

Same thing for prohibition for music and wearing of silk dress and gold for men.

Quran says that Prophet(SAW) never spoke anything on his own . He only said what all willed him to say. This is what is used as an evidence for all of the above prohibitions and death by stoning.

But I am sure this does not apply to many many things which prophet(SAW) said and did. Right ?

There are those who say and Prophet (SAW) used to receive open and secret revelations . How do we know which revelations were secret ?

The mere proof that books of hadees have those revelations is not enough as hadees are fallible , one sect will take one hadees as authentic the other sect will not.

Is it all part of the big test that Allah wanted all this to be this way ? What is the proof of that argument ?

So my dear friends help me understand all this. Jazzak Allah Hul Khair.

P.S: Please avoid hate , finger pointing , generalizations , stereotyping and let us have a civilized discussion.

Re: Why some things are missing from Quran ?

Intoxicants were prohibited for us Muslims to be consumed in the Quran. And alcohol is an intoxicant as far as I remember. So how can you say that it's not mentioned in the Quran?

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I think people read Qur’an but they don’t want to understand it.

From your questions the happening of Surah Baqra just came into my mind regarding people asking about the Cow.


Well some how about Alcohol you can read here (skip any part of Hadidh if you don’t want to think on them but try to concentrate what Qur’anic verses have been said in it):

Alcohol According to Qur'an and Sunnah

Quran forbidding pork:

The Quran 16:115
He has only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
The Quran 2:173
He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without willful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.


Quran about Interest dealing:

[2:276] Those who devour interest do not rise except as rises one whom Satan has smitten with insanity. That is because they say: ‘Trade also is like interest;’ whereas Allah has made trade lawful and made interest unlawful. So he to whom an admonition comes from his Lord and he desists, then will that which he received in the past be his; and his affair is with Allah. And those who revert to it, they are the inmates of the Fire; therein shall they abide.
[2:277] Allah will abolish interest and will cause charity to increase. And Allah loves not anyone who is a confirmed disbeliever and an archsinner.
[2:278] Surely, those who believe and do good deeds, and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, shall have their reward from their Lord, and no fear shall come on them, nor shall they grieve.
[2:279] O ye who believe! fear Allah and relinquish what remains of interest, if you are believers.
[2:280] But if you do it not, then beware of war from Allah and His Messenger; and if you repent, then you shall have your original sums; thus you shall not wrong, nor shall you be wronged.
[2:281] And if any debtor be in straitened circumstances, then grant him respite till a time of ease. And that you remit it as charity shall be better for you, if only you knew.

For more explanation read here:
http://muttaqun.com/riba.html

Further more if you want to learn in detail about reference to it then you can watch Dr Zakir explanation. (unless you dont like him, thats something else)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgURP6IjsNg
(follow other parts on youtube)

The Qur’an does not mention the act, but there are several Hadith which speak of Muhammad ordering people to be stoned to death.

About Music you can read here:

http://muttaqun.com/music.html

In Islam, music, statues, gold and silk are all Lawful(7:32-33, 16:116), but Sunni beliefs forbidding silk & gold for men, and forbidding music & statues for all…

Finally If you “dont” want to believe on hadith then I think so you are forgetting something:

“We have not sent you (O Muhammad) but as a universal (Messenger) to men giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin) but most men understand not.” (Quran: 34/28)

“Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much.” (Quran: 33/21)

and Allah knows the best!

Re: Why some things are missing from Quran ?

Surah Maida verse 90 finally made Alcohol completely haram.

The word "ijtanibu in connection to Allah swt means "completely give up" not avoid as translated by some translators.
This was clear to the Arabs of the time who understood arabic more than we do.

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I swear by the star when it goes down. Your companion does not err, nor does he (Muhammad) go astray; Nor does he speak out of desire. It is naught but revelation that is revealed, The Lord of Mighty Power has taught him;
Quran [53:1-5]

These wordings of the Prophet (SAW) were directed to be a part of the Quran, where as everything else he said was a revelation revealed to him and not necessarily a part of the Quran. The ahadith of Prophet (SAW) are at par with Quranic verses, the only problem with the ahadith is their authenticity, if the Prophet really say that or not. Ahadith are another issue and trying not to go off-topic, every revelation was not a part of the Quran.
For example,

And when the prophet secretly communicated a piece of information to one of his wives -- but when she informed (others) of it, and Allah made him to know it, he made known part of it and avoided part; so when he (Muhammad) informed her (Ayesha) of it, she said: Who informed you of this? He said: The Knowing, the one Aware, informed me.
Quran [66:3]

so we know that not every thing revealed was meant for the Quran. but the Quran also says follow The Prophet, and by following the Prophet we have to follow the Hadith and the sunnah. here are some quotes fro the Quran to prove this.

And it behoves not a believing man and a believing woman that they should have any choice in their matter when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he surely strays off a manifest straying.
Quran [33:36]

I swear by the star when it goes down. Your companion does not err, nor does he (Muhammad) go astray; Nor does he speak out of desire. It is naught but revelation that is revealed, The Lord of Mighty Power has taught him;
Quran [53:1-5]

Say: If you love Allah, then follow me (Muhammad), Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.
Quran [3:31-32]

Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys Allah, and whoever turns back, so We have not sent you as a keeper over them.
Quran [4:80]

so from these Quranic verses we come to know if we are a muslim we have no choice but to follow what the prophet has said. you see if we are Muslim we have to believe in Allah and believe in the Quran as the word of Allah and Believe in Muhammad (p.b.u.h) so essentially what ever the prophet has said or done is from the wisdom of Allah. for if the Prophet did anything against the will of Allah then surely Allah would have made the prophet known about it. for example:

The rest of the story is told by Hadhrat Ayesha herself. Imam Bukhari has quoted her in his Book of Talag (Divorce), and Book of Tafsir (of Sura Tahreem) as follows:

I and Hafsa made this plan that when the Messenger of Allah visits any one of us, she should tell him that his mouth reeks with "maghafeer." (maghafeer is something sweet to taste but has a pungent and unpleasant odor. Muhammed Mustafa was very sensitive on this point. He hated strong odors). It so happened that Hafsa was the wife he visited first. As soon as he entered her chamber, she said: "O Messenger of Allah! Your mouth has the odor of maghafeer." He said: "I did not eat maghafeer. But when I was with Zaynab, she gave me some honey to eat. It is possible that the honey had the odor of maghafeer. But in future, I shall not eat honey."

so this revelation was revealed:

O PROPHET! WHY HOLDEST THOU TO BE FORBIDDEN THAT WHICH ALLAH HAS MADE LAWFUL TO THEE? THOU SEEKEST TO PLEASE THY CONSORTS. BUT ALLAH IS OFT-FORGIVING, MOST MERCIFUL.

(Quran Majid. Chapter 66; verse 1)

i want to make you aware of this Revalation:

And if he (Muhammad) had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly have seized him by the right hand, Then We would certainly have cut off his aorta. And not one of you could have withheld Us from him. And most surely it is a reminder for those who guard (against evil).
Quran [69:44-48]

you see my friend the wisdom.

the next part regarding the Authentication of Hadith. you have to understand the Hadith that are authentic we should certainly follow because they have been checked vigorously. the weak hadith is a different matter, no one will blame you if you don't.

A hadith consists of two parts: its text, called matn, and its chain of narrators, called isnad. Comprehensive and strict criteria were separately developed for the evaluation of matn and isnad. The former is regarded as the internal test of ahadith, and the latter is considered the external test. A hadith was accepted as authentic and recorded into text only when it met both of these criteria independently.

Criteria for the Evaluation of Isnad
The unblemished and undisputed character of the narrator, called rawi, was the most important consideration for the acceptance of a hadith. As stated earlier, a new branch of 'ilm al-hadith known as asma' ar-rijal was developed to evaluate the credibility of narrators. The following are a few of the criteria utilized for this purpose:

  1. The name, nickname, title, parentage and occupation of the narrator should be known.
  2. The original narrator should have stated that he heard the hadith directly from the Prophet.
  3. If a narrator referred his hadith to another narrator, the two should have lived in the same period and have had the possibility of meeting each other.
  4. At the time of hearing and transmitting the hadith, the narrator should have been physically and mentally capable of understanding and remembering it.
  5. The narrator should have been known as a pious and virtuous person.
  6. The narrator should not have been accused of having lied, given false evidence or committed a crime.
  7. The narrator should not have spoken against other reliable people.
  8. The narrator's religious beliefs and practices should have been known to be correct.
  9. The narrator should not have carried out and practiced peculiar religious beliefs of his own.

Criteria for the Evaluation of Matn
1. The text should have been stated in plain and simple language.
2. A text in non-Arabic or couched in indecent language was rejected.
3. A text prescribing heavy punishment for minor sins or exceptionally large reward for small virtues was rejected.
4. A text which referred to actions that should have been commonly known and practiced by others but were not known and practiced was rejected.
5. A text contrary to the basic teachings of the Qur'an was rejected.
6. A text contrary to other ahadith was rejected.
7. A text contrary to basic reason, logic and the known principles of human society was rejected.
8. A text inconsistent with historical facts was rejected.
9. Extreme care was taken to ensure the text was the original narration of the Prophet and not the sense of what the narrator heard. The meaning of the hadith was accepted only when the narrator was well known for his piety and integrity of character.
10. A text derogatory to the Prophet, members of his family or his companions was rejected.
11. A text by an obscure narrator which was not known during the age of sahabah [the Prophet's companions] or the tabi'een [those who inherited the knowledge of the sahabah] was rejected.
Along with these generally accepted criteria, each scholar then developed and practiced his own set of specific criteria to further ensure the authenticity of each hadith. For instance, Imam al-Bukhari would not accept a hadith unless it clearly stated that narrator A had heard it from narrator B. He would not accept the general statement that A narrated through B. On this basis he did not accept a single hadith narrated through 'Uthman, even though Hasan al-Basri always stayed very close to 'Ali. Additionally, it is stated that Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal practiced each hadith before recording it in his Musnad [book or collection of hadith].

you see my friend the strict criteria for a hadith to be called authentic? the only thing i can say is, if it is authentic then we have to follow it.
and if the Prophet has forbidden us from doing something then we don't do it. there are six books which we all muslims can call as authentic and they are:
1. Sahih Bukhari
2. Sahih Muslim
3. Sunan Abi Dawood
4. At - Tirmidhi
5. An-nasai
6. Ibn Majah
follow these and you can't go wrong...
hope this helps. may Allah forgive me if i have said anything against Allah and the Prophet and the teachings, Ameen.

Re: Why some things are missing from Quran ?

There are things that he said on his own and when Allah saw the need, Allah corrected him, and where Allah did not correct him means that his saying or doing of that time was in accordance to Allah's will and hence became part of Shariah.

In fact that is the very argument that can be used that he was not the Alimul ghaib and only knew what Allah told him

Re: Why some things are missing from Quran ?

The age old mystery I guess :) but some people (as on this thread) are convinced otherwise...

TLK bro, claiming "things that he said on his own and when Allah saw the need, Allah corrected him, and where Allah did not correct him means that his saying or doing of that time was in accordance to Allah's will" is quite a stretch of the imagination (as always the case with apologists of Tradition) in defense of the questions raised regarding the Qur'an, sorry. That is my opinion...

BTW my opinion does not imply fallibility of the Qur'an. I will end it at that.

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Dear Hypnotix -2000

A question for you.

Per your signature - شِمَع يَشرٰءِل يهوه إِلٰهينُو يهوه اَحَد - The translation of which is " The shama or wax candel is Jehovah and Jehovah is God which is Jehovah the one.

It is apparent that you are saying that God and Jehovah are one. So that would indicate that you are a Jehovah’s witness.
Please make sure you state this so that the questioner knows this.

You are not answering from a Muslims perspective if you are quoting that Jehovah is God.

Please clarify.

Re: Why some things are missing from Quran ?

[Shakir 4:59] O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from among you; then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the last day; this is better and very good in the end.

and obviously if u find a hadith that contradicts Quran then u cant trust the hadith. A hadith will only contradict Quran if someone made it up and reffered to Prophet s.a.w.

Quran tells us to pray repeatedly but never mentions how to pray so we cant really count on Quran alone we have to go back to Ahadeeth and get more detail.

What do u mean it doesnt apply to many things ? Obviouslly Prophet didnt say anything but what ALLAH wanted him to say. I dont need to post anything to back it up as u know these r Allahs words and we shldnt doubt em.

Re: Why some things are missing from Quran ?

I guess you overlooked the fact that my signature is a HEBREW verse transliterated in ARABIC... translation is "Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one," similar to Qul Hu Allah-u Ahad, Allah-u as-Samad.

Re: Why some things are missing from Quran ?

Well Yahweh = Jehovah as well.

Yes I did over look that.

I would ask why you are quoting a hebrew verse, but I don't want to hijack this thread which has a different topic.

Bottom line, I guess you are saying you are muslim and not Jewish or a Jehovah's witness.

Re: Why some things are missing from Quran ?

I always respect your opinion and maybe I did throw mine loosely and should not, but i remembered of the time when Hazrat Umar suggested to kill the prisoners of a war (I think Badar) .. and Prophet did not agree and then Ayats of Quran came down in agreement with Hazrat Umar's suggestion. That is what I was referring to when Allah saw the need, Allah corrected him,

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Without hijacking the thread further, may I ask you why/how anyone can stop me from quoting anything? And truly if you had understood why I have what I have in my signature, you wouldn't have asked in the first place. God is ONE and God is UNIVERSAL, not tribal or national...

Re: Why some things are missing from Quran ?

Bro totally understand your position on this... can't say we haven't discussed similar cases before :) sorry for invading the thread. The Qur'an itself bears testimony when it refers to 'the messenger' :

“وما ينطق عن الهوى Nor does he articulate from/with 'that which is chaotic'. إن هو إلا وحي يوحى It is indeed a revelation inspired." (Qur'an 53:3-4)"

So claiming that he did say things that needed 'correction' especially in important matters such as that as handling of POW's, would be a bit at odds with what's mentioned above in my extremely humble opinion. Alas one is free to believe what one desires (a God-given right.)

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^ I agree with you and what you quoted .. thanks for sharing bro :k:

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I notice a few things

1- quran does not note certain things- true
2- there are things in quran which can be interpreted in different ways- to me true, but I suppose open for discussion for some and no for some
3- Not all statements in quran are universal, they are for specific type of situations, and one has to interpret and apply etc etc.

so now the second part, about the importance of hadeeeth and sunnah..Lets say we dont argue on this, and that in fact hadeeth and sunnah is important.

but then we make the jump that thus hadeeth that is recorded is accurate. and then use the logic that because hadeeth is pat of faith and Allah said he would protect the faith, thus hadeeth is accurate because Allah protects it. A bit of a circular argument I am afraid.

It can be important, but not be accurate or complete, or it could be stated or interpreted incorrectly, or something that was for specific situations stated as a code for all times and all situations.

PS: and as always I can be 100% right, 100% wrong or somewhere in between.

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In fact one can also use the same argument to accept or reject any ayat of Quran. I know I am getting into dangerous waters here by saying that but logistic wise, there is almost no difference between how Words were spoken by prophet and captured/memorized and later on narrated & documented by Sahaba when it comes to both Quran and Hadith.

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from a purely logical POV- true, the argument can be used, the Quran however was memorized by many people in the prophets life, and it was compiled shortly afterwards. Hadeeth was not compiled for centuries. many were rejected, a number are listed as weak ahadeeth. but then from a logical POV also, it is an interesting thing that we say well because we believe quran is unaltered thus hadeeth is too, and if you think hadeeth is altered then the quran could be as well. I simply do not see the connection, two different things, collected at 2 different times. The question also is then if we think sahaba knew more than us, then why did they not compile all hadeeth during or soon after the prophets death, just like quran was compiled. Could it be that we are making the hadeeth and sunnah more than it was intended to be?

from a religious POV- I also do not ascribe to the belief that the protection of Quran extends to hadeeth, I dont consider the two as one and the same. I have the highest regard for hadeeth but I dont think they are infallible or always accurate.

Now does that mean that there are some potential gaps in our understanding of the faith, maybe..maybe not. I can see hadeeth as explaining something mentioned in quran, giving context etc but for it to have things that are simply not mentioned in quran to me is a little bit concerning and moreso, things that are counter to what is stated in quran.

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I heard that Hazrat Abu Bakr (I need to confirm that) burnt his compilation of 3000 hadees for the same reason that you mentioned (he was afraid that what if by mistake he passes a flawed version of the Hadees as that would be a huge disservice to Islam) - but also shows that hadees were compiled during prophet's time, just not in a book form.

Re: Why some things are missing from Quran ?

Excellent summary... thank you.