Re: Why so many American military defeats/humiliations since 1945?
It wasn't a defeat. China started peace talks with USA after USA threatened to launch a massive offensive in 1953. Both sides agreed to restore the borders before the war began.
This might come as a surprise but Vietnam wasn't a defeat. USA stayed in Vietnam from 1964-1973. From 1964-1968 after the Tet offensive. USA destroyed the Viet Cong. In 1972, North Vietnamese Army (NVA) launched a major offensive to invade South Vietnam. USA beat that back too. USA had high casualties in Vietnam so decided to pull back and make South vietnamese army able to defend it self.
But in South Vietnamese Army, there was rampant corruption, North sympathisers, etc. When NVA invaded in March 1975, the SVA collapsed. USA didn't want to send ground troops into Vietnam again after Nixon had resigned in Watergate scandal and Ford was president who wasn't a big supporter of the Vietnam war to begin with.
The two helicopters collided with each other. Iran had nothing to do with it. So it wasn't really a military defeat, it was an accicdent.
They were blown up by the terrorist group Hezbollah while they were trying to stabilize the country after the Israeli invasion in June 1982. But I guess these kinds of tactics are lionized by some.
It was 100 American soldiers fighting over 3,000 Somalis. Americans managed to kill over a 1000 of them until they were rescued by the Pakistanis. These somali animals also killed Pakistani soliders so I don't know why are you making these animals into heroes.
USA maybe bogged down in Iraq. But whenever the Insurgent confront the US soldiers they get annhiliated. USA may have lost 2,500 troops but in the same time they have killed around 25,000 Insurgents
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Why such a terribly shameful military record for the US armed forces in the last 60 years?
You obviously don't know anything about modern world history. Your comments sound like typical Islamic conspiracy theories
Re: Why so many American military defeats/humiliations since 1945?
Pakistan is a partner against terror and they hold there own. This sense of powerlessness (exactly why this thread was created in the first place) needs to be put aside and buried.
Re: Why so many American military defeats/humiliations since 1945?
People who make these kind of absurd comments like US defeats don't know anything about world geo-politics and history but are repeating the same rhetoric their parents have been indoctrinated with.
Re: Why so many American military defeats/humiliations since 1945?
No US defeat in Vietnam? That's laughable. The US went in with a mission. Did they get their mission accomplished? No. So therefore they were defeated. It's really that simple. The body count doesn't matter.
Secondly, where did they original poster glorify the Somali's as war heroes?
Re: Why so many American military defeats/humiliations since 1945?
You forgot to mention the Cold War. That was a pretty big win. I do think Americans have a predilection for war. Read James Carroll, author of the new book “House of War: The Pentagon and the Disatrous Rise of American Power” or hear him talk: http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2006/05/20060508_b_main.asp
Re: Why so many American military defeats/humiliations since 1945?
Is that all you ever have to say? Everyone else knows nothing, and you know everything? Please stop trying so hard to get respect on this board, it’s not working.
Re: Why so many American military defeats/humiliations since 1945?
The original poster is of Pak origin. Still he is so out of this world that everything Ayatullah is correct. This is going back to the $tupid Iranian actions after kicking out Shah the Pehlavi.
You guys can list all the defeats. It is a good lullaby immediately preceding the spanking.
Re: Why so many American military defeats/humiliations since 1945?
Yup, the American’s failed in their entire military objectives in Vietnam, Iran, Lebanon, Somalia and now Iraq, and then some deluded folk still call them victories.
What wars has the US actually won outright since 1945? I think emerged victorious in the mighty lands of Grenada and Panama.
Re: Why so many American military defeats/humiliations since 1945?
I don't know about you. May be you have no idea when soldiers occupy another land. The occupiers may lose a few of their soldiers but the hell breaks lose for the locals. If you still believe in terrorist killing 1000 Iraqis a day will somehow "spank" USA, then I simply admire your logic. Keep on thinking like that and you will be "occupied" soon.
Re: Why so many American military defeats/humiliations since 1945?
Let's take a look at the countries you listed and how they are fairing today, North Korea, Vietnam, Somalia then compare them to the U.S.
Tell me now, who really won and who really lost?
Japan and Germany were also defeated by the U.S. (and its allies) but look at them today, did they really lose?
Sometimes is wise to look beyond the battle field before declaring who's won and who's lost.
The battle for Afghanistan and Iraq is ongoing, will they end up like Somalia and if they do would you consider that a defeat for the U.S. and a win for them? If they end up more like Japan and Germany in terms of living conditions and freedoms, equality and justice would that be considered a loss for them and a win for the U.S.?
This mentality of U.S. against the Muslim world needs to be abandoned. The philosophy of, 'if it hurts the U.S. then it's a victory for Muslims' no matter the effect on Muslims needs to be rejected.
Freedoms and justice and equality are not values solely owned by the U.S. and calling for and demanding these values does not make one a dog of the U.S. and at the same time supporting the U.S. does not make one an enemy of Islam. Believing that "If **The U.S. supports it so it must be wrong" is like firing a gun with your eyes closed into a crowd, you simply do not know who you are hurting.
It's ture, U.S. is losing the 'hearts and minds' of Muslims, just be careful who you let win.
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Realistically, Germany was defeated by the USSR with some US assistance rather than by the US and its allies. The USSR destroyed far greater quantities of German war material and killed far more German soldiers than the USA managed.
Re: Why so many American military defeats/humiliations since 1945?
Russia no doubt "tore the heart out of Germany" but I think it's rather insulting and disrespectful to disregard the sacrifices and victories the U.S. and the other allies had against Germany.
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Spot on!
It was the Soviet forces who pinned down and devestated the German forces on the eastern front, allowing the US forces an easier ride in the west. Had the American’s been fighting the Germans alone, they would have been bogged down forever like they were in Vietnam.
While America leisurely walked into parts of western Europe, the USSR managed to fight and fight to capture all of Eastern Europe all on their own.
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China - never invaded or occupied by the USA, and look how tremendously well it is doing. :k:
Nearly five years on and we are now being told that the battle for Afghanistan and Iraq is still ongoing. I thought they were declared American victories long ago?
