Why SC would disqualify NS from holding public office and would send cases to NAB.

Please read carefully, and everything would become clear …
Please comment: … And yea (all PMLN Zombies), do not get upset, because I am not one of those 3 SC judges. What I wrote is what I concluded. You may have different opinion, but what i wrote is also one sensible (and most likely) conclusion. :slight_smile:

Panama papers came out (open for observation of public): 3 April 2016,

NS name was revealed as one of few corrupt world politician holding companies in Panama and using those companies, own 4 flats in park-land Mayfair London.

Imran Khan on behalf of ‘Nation’, took the case to SC … claimed that NS is haramkhor, who bought revealed flats (4 Mayfair flats) from corruption (looted) money belonging to Pakistan tax payer … or by harming Pakistan.

SC is not trial court … but SC is constitutional court. Hence case was filed as constitutional case … that is to get NS disqualified from Parliament (not as NAB case).

As constitutional court, SC can hold trial of parliamentarians on constitutional issue (for instance, on violation of constitutional laws) , and SC can also disqualify a parliamentarian (that SC has done with many parliamentarians in past .. especially during Iftikhar Chaudhary time).

Thus, case started on 1st November 2016 in front of bench consisting of 5 Judges, who started hearing the case, on daily basis.

Court asked NS to justify ownership of flats through honest means. … But NS and his lawyers not only did not justified the means but started making stories of Touta-Maina in SC, ignoring what SC was asking, clearly bringing out money trial … or legal funds used to acquire respective flats in Mayfair (held in the companies registered in PANAMA) … Unfortunately, other than Touta-Maina kee kahani, NS could produce money trial, rather, kept evading the question.

After around 4 months (on 23 Feb) 2 judges concluded with verdict and 3 judges held the verdict, thus partial judgement was made after the hearing (it was not split judgement, but it was partial judgement)

What happened:
2 judges gave final clear verdict:

Judge 1: Asif Saeed Khan Khosa …. Disqualified NS from holding any public office.

Judge 2: Gulzar Ahmed … Disqualified NS from holding any public office.

Anyhow, 3 judges abstained from final verdict … differed their verdict to be given after further investigation. These 3 judges were:

Judge 3: Ejaz Afzal Khan
Judge 4: Sh. Azmat Saeed
Judge 5: Ijaz-ul-Ahsan

They did not gave final verdict even though they also agreed with above 2 judges.

What these 3 judges concluded that … if NS and his family could not come clean in SC hearings (in front of 5 judges) … still, NS and his family should be given another chance to come clean, in secret hearings (hearing of JIT). Thus JIT was formed.

JIT was golden opportunity for NS and his family, that, if they were shy in open hearing of SC, they could come out of their shell and clear themselves in from of JIT, giving all relevant information, convincing JIT that acquiring those flats were from legal money and not corruption money.

Further, these 3 judges also gave permission to JIT that facing no cooperation by NS and his family, they could also do some of their own investigation and also find the truth behind documents NS and his family submitted to court and do work on their stories… to find truth behind all the statements NS and his family made to masses. Judges thought that all these information would help in their judgement (final verdict … if it has to be different from 2 judges who already convicted and disqualified NS from public offices).

Even though, one can think that judgement of these 3 judges were either their weakness in judgement or leniency towards NS, whatever the reason of not concluding their final verdict earlier (similar to 2 judges who already gave verdict), there could be another cause too.

Maybe, these three judges were seeing deeper (post-verdict situation), and did not wanted to convict NS without giving him another chance, BUT ALSO, if NS is really Haramkhor than they knew that JIT would make him naked in front of the masses (every Pakistani) before final verdict (ussay, saza sunanay say pahlay, awam kay samnay pura nanga ker diyea jayea).

It is possible that these 3 judges may have thought that if NS would get ‘Nanga’’ in front of the masses, there would be less public reaction (as they probably knew that … PMLN is collection of not only corrupt but notorious thugs, who have deceived people and thus have many Zombies in their party, who could make lot of trouble in distress of disqualification.

Anyhow… it is obvious that after JIT result, three judges have to give clear verdict (else, would be considered incompetent).

Well, well — after JIT result, it became obvious that those 2 judges were right in their conclusive verdict of disqualification … as NS and his family could not come out with single evidence that they acquired the flats using honest money. Rather, JIT found (confirmed) that in earlier hearings of SC, NS and his family of Haramkhors

Lied in SC on oath (did perjury)
Submitted forged papers to SC (did Fraud)
Became guilty of ‘contempt of court’
Influenced state institutions to act illegally, to save themselves and alter their corruption records.
Etc, etc …

Worse is that, NS and his ‘team of retards’ started threatening JIT members and judges hearing his case.

So now these 3 judges have only one choice, that is:

Accept that they were wrong as judgement of senior 2 judges were correct … hence they would disqualify NS from holding public office as dishonest corrupt thug … and would further disqualify all who lied in front of JIT, gave threat, submitted forged documents, etc … from ever holding public posts.

Further, since many new information came out about this family of haramkhor thug, SC would also punish them of Perjury (minimum prison sentence could be 14 years), fraud and especially contempt of court (all their threat to JIT members and SC judges could not be forgiven), influencing national institutions (crime in its own right), etc

Thus, along with disqualification from holding public offices, all NS past cases that were closed (or running) would be sent to NAB for further investigation, trial, and getting this haramkhor family of thugs punished (Darr and his family would get caught punished too).

Exonerating NS after JIT findings is out of question (impossible), because that would mean, these 3 esteemed Judges are incompetent. 2 experience judges have already given verdict after court hearing between Nov 2016 and Feb 2017 … but these 3 Judges could not come with clean verdict after those hearings, rather gave NS another chance (JIT). Unfortunately for NS and his family, NS did not come out with any money trial or any new evidence in front of JIT, rather JIT found made NS position worse than it was before JIT started … so:

If these 3 Judges exonerate NS (impossible), they would become laughing stock, as sensible conclusion is obvious, that is, verdict of those 2 experienced Judges (one of them going to be next CJ of SC) was correct. Actually, exonerating NS would also mean, 2 senior judges who disqualified NS from holding public offices were incorrect. and made their decision wrongly … but those two judges are not only senior and most competent, but soon going to be CJ of SC. Hence, giving any verdict other than disqualification for NS (especially, after JIT) means, these judges would be incompetent in front of whole nation as well as their senior peers.

So … in my sensible opinion, there is no hope for NS left. Verdict would be:

Disqualify NS from NA as dishonest and Haramkhor corrupt thug … along with all his family members (all of them did not cooperated, rather lied in court).

Further, since many new information came out about this haramkhor thug, punish him of Perjury (minimum prison sentnce could be 14 years), fraud and especially contempt of court (all their threat to JIT members and SC judges, plus perjury, submitting forged documents in court, etc. is contempt of court), influencing national institutions (crime in its own right), etc …

Plus opening all cases that was closed … and sending all cases to NAB for further investigation and trial.*

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The only possibility that these three judges exonerate NS, if he provides genuine and legal trail of those flats. If not, still these judges can give decision in his favor…not due to incompetency, but money in Pakistan makes wonders of the world :slight_smile:

By the way a very good analytical skills and I agree with you on this 100%.

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The Result of 2 JITs,

Dr Asim, JIT comprised of ISI and MI declared Dr.Asim a terrosit…yet a Black Terrorist, in their report accused him for the corruption of Rs 400+ billion…result, none of the accusation leveled can be proved in court and DR. Asim is free and if iam not wrong he is Out of Pakistan enjoying his life!!!

2nd JIT, in Ajmal Pahari case, he was accused of 100+ murders, may be 1000 murders, but in court none can be proved and Ajmal Pahari is free on bail…this is even after his confession statement aired on TV…

Now please the boot polishers dont take it personally!!! but this is what we have seen in very recent past..

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^^^ In Pakistan:

Jo na pakraya woh Sikandar
jo pakra giya woh chuchundar

Well, holes in Pakistan legal system is so large that most chuchundar (rats) escape. Unfortunately, NS is that chuchundar who ate too much and became too fat, thus could not escape, got stuck in the holes made for these chuchundar to escape, so he got caught.

Ab aap ko tou pata hee hay kay jo chuchundar (kha kha ker) bohut mota ho jata hay, aur pakra jata hay uss ka kiya haal hota hay?

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^^^

one chuchundar already escape amid kamr dard…ab kamr dard kyon howi kaisay howi…only hi knows…but jis taraah kolhay maTqata tha…yeh tu hona hi tha

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Thanks for appreciating my analysis.

Anyhow … your statement that money can do wonder in this case, I believe that is unlikely. There are many reasons for that:

NS and his family of Haramkhors did not only looted and plundered Pakistan, but bit many hands that in past protected this rat (especially hands of armed forces … the biggest power-house in Pakistan). Now, armed forces have taken their protective hands off the back of Haramkhor NS. Hence, he has to face the music.

Remember … during this case, corruption of haramakhor has become so obvious that … for these 3 judges to let NS go, would be impossible. By doing that, they would not only going to embarrass 2 senior judges of their judgement (disqualifying NS), antagonise armed forces. but would question intelligence of whole nation who knew before the case that NS, $D, Zardari, (Sharif family, Zardari family, etc …) and most politicians are corrupt, but during the case, masses got convinced that Haramkhor NS is corrupt to core. Thus, if judges would exonerate NS, their decision would raise many question, and it would bring lot of turmoil within country (and also within armed forces).

Anyhow, NS has fooled many in the masses, and thus have army of Zombie and mentally retarded supporters. It means, once NS would get punished, things would not stop there (as Zombies and Retards would come out on road … shouting). Thus, it would become necessity that all corrupt politicians get punished similarly.

I think, after punishment of few PMLN, PPP turn is round the corner. Zardari and his family would be next big fish, as he is big haramkhor too, who also antagonised armed forces and judges (not as much as NS, still, he did) … and we should understand that, in the past corrupts got away from justice because armed forces did not wanted to see turmoil in the country, hence, being the strongest power-house in Pakistan, in-directly protected Haramkhor thugs. Judges obliged armed forces and also money.

If army had not protected haramkhors in past, than during Zia and Musharraf time, they would not have made many haramkhors join their cabinet (or let them loose abroad), rather would have hanged them and confiscated their wealth. So, for these haramkhors, it was part of their survival that they do not antagonise army and keep their distance … but they became too confident and started biting the hands that was protecting them in past. So … now have to face the music.

Once wheel of accountability would start, many big and small corrupts in politics would get punished … and would be followed by punishment of big and small civil servants (bureaucrats and other government servants)

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I support 100% IK for doing jehad in this case. He is the one who has changed the fate of this unfortunate country to right direction. NS and his relatives not only be disqualified for future elections but also go to jail for stealing the money. Pakistan needs leaders like IK. I hope he will win 2018 elections and start chitrol to corrupts without any distinction.

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You are right. If it was not for Imran Khan, no one would have taken the case to SC, and this Haramkhor Thug may have got away.

Anyhow, this Haramkhor Thug NS should curse Musharraf too … because of many changes Musharraf brought in Pakistan, that has put noose on the neck of this Haramkhor Thug:

1: Musharraf gave independence to Media … issued licence to around 100 TV channels, creating 1000s of journalists and anchors. With such big team of TV channels, journalists, reporters and anchors … employing 10s of thousand personals, it became almost impossible to control this juggernaut of accountability and opinion-maker machine.

2: Pakistan judges were receiving around Rs 5000 a month in 1970. Pay stayed same until Zia time who increased it to around Rs 10000. After Nawaz used judges to depose Sajjad Ali Shah, he increased the pay to around Rs 20000. … Still, pay was not big incentive for good judges … and corruption was rife too . Musharraf increased the pay to over Rs 120000 plus linked the pay to inflation plus. … That was enough for attracting good judges and less incentive for corruption. Musharraf also made judiciary independence of government … making judiciary in charge of their own affairs, including hiring and firing (President can send reference to SJC for firing) … plus, seniority became criteria for promotion. Hence .. Judges became somewhere independence, especially with time.

3: Most important … introducing NAB in November 1999. Here is story of NAB … and clause NS is caught:

Until 1977, for public servants, living or having assets beyond known means was considered as corruption, and if caught, civil servants have to justify their assets and/or living standard … else would have got punished of corruption.

Zia ul Haq changed this law … so corruption in Pakistan started increasing, and fast. NS was thinking that same is true even after Musharraf. … But … on 16 Nov 1999, Musharraf introduced NAB ordinance … and according to NAB ordinance … for civil servants as well as any person holding political post, living beyond means or having assets beyond means … that cannot be justified by accused by showing his earnings … than culprit (accused) get punished as corrupt or person following corrupt practices.

Thus … when Thug Nawaz got caught with 4 Mayfair flats without doubt … and also admitted their ownership of those flats … SC is asking to justify these wealth by showing ownership documents as well as legal earnings used to buy or acquire these flats. Here is NAB ordinance … introduced by Musharraf in Nov 1999.

Haramkhor Thug is now caught due to this ordinance … as SC judge mentioned, that is … (9a - v) … as mentioned below:

NAB ordinance:
http://www.molaw.gov.pk/molaw/userfiles1/file/MOLAW/NABORDINANCE-1999.pdf

  1. Corruption and corrupt practices:

(a) A holder of a public office, or any other person, is said to commit or to have committed the offence of corruption and corrupt practices-

(i) if he accepts or obtains from any person or offers any gratification directly or indirectly, other than legal remuneration, as a motive or reward such as is specified in section 161 of the Pakistan Penal Code (Act XLV of 1860) for doing or for-bearing to do any official act, or for showing or for-bearing to show, in the exercise of his official functions, favour or disfavour to any person, or for rendering or attempting to render any service or disservice to any person; or

(ii) if he accepts or obtains or offers any valuable thing without consideration, or for a consideration which he knows to be inadequate, from any person whom he knows to have been, or likely to be, concerned in any proceeding or business transacted or about to be transacted by him, or having any connection with his official functions or from any person whom he knows to be interested in or related to the person so concerned; or

(iii) if he dishonestly or fraudulently misappropriates or otherwise converts for his own use, or for the use of any other person, any property entrusted to him, or under his control, or wilfully allows any other person so to do; or

(iv) if he by corrupt dishonest, or illegal means, obtains or seeks to THE NATIONAL ACCOUNTABILITY BUREAU ORDINANCE, 1999 7 obtain for himself, or for his spouse and/or dependents or any other person, any property, valuable thing, or pecuniary advantage; or

(v) if he or any of his dependents or benamidars owns, possesses, or has any right or title in any movable or immovable property or pecuniary resources disproportionate to his known sources of income, which he cannot reasonably account for; or

(vi) misuses his authority so as to gain any benefit or favour for himself or any other person, or to render or attempt to do so;

(vii) if he has issued any directive, policy, or any SRO (Statutory Regulatory Order) or any other order which grants or enables any concession or benefit in any taxation matter or law or otherwise so as to benefit himself or any relative or associate or a benamidar.

(b) All offences under this Ordinance shall be non-bailable and, notwithstanding anything contained in sections 497, 498 and 561A or any other provision of the Code, or any other law for the time being in force no Court shall have jurisdiction to grant bail to any person accused of any offence under this Ordinance.
(c) Where the Chairman NAB decides to release from custody or detention a holder of a public office or any other person accused of an offence under this Ordinance, he shall do so after considering the gravity of the charge against such person and where the accusation specifies any amount in respect of which the offence is alleged to have been committed, he shall not be released unless such amount is deposited with the NAB; Provided that the Chairman NAB may impose other conditions for release from custody or detention.

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For anyone confused … please read:

NAB ordinance:
http://www.molaw.gov.pk/molaw/userfi…NANCE-1999.pdf

  1. Corruption and corrupt practices:

(a) A holder of a public office, or any other person, is said to commit or to have committed the offence of corruption and corrupt practices-

(v) if he or any of his dependents or benamidars owns, possesses, or has any right or title in any movable or immovable property or pecuniary resources disproportionate to his known sources of income, which he cannot reasonably account for;

Show that it does not matter if NS is the owner of the flats, as according to NAB ordinance, NS is owner, his daughter, his wife or his sons are owner (as dependents or benamidars) … NAB would investigate the case as if NS is corrupt (unless it is found that … flats were acquired using legal money) … but since NAB was not acting in NS case (NS compromised NAB in his case) … SC took up the investigation.

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Panama case and Ishaq Daar fake documents to Supreme Court (seems, haramkhor thugs of PMLN think that everyone in Pakistan, including judges are mentally retards, and would not see obvious). Look at what Ishaq Daar submitted to SC … 3 letters from Dubai Sheikh (ruler). Surprisingly, letters are on ordinary papers, as if, Sheikh of Dubai do not even have letter pad (maybe he could not afford that), still was paying billions to Ishaq Daar. Ishaq did not submitted these letters to JIT fearing that fake letters would get investigated by JIT.

Story of Ishaq Daar, and report on his corruption (obviously, what he loots, NS was partner too): ,
Please note: I do not know how much truth is there in background story, but what Ishaq Daar did once he became Finance Minister in 2013 … are recorded facts that can be verified from various news … actually, his payment related to power rotating debt (gardishi qarza payment … to IPP), became big scandalous story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsgsmLIv_QU

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^^^Pakistan ki jaan kab in chor uchakon aor un ke hawaron se chotegi?

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Well, kal (juma kay mubarak din) baighart Haramkhor Lanati ko nikala jayea gaa … aur … to clean the well of Pakistan, many bucket of water would be thrown out :slight_smile:

2 judges have already given then verdict: … haramkhor NS Kamina hay.
3 judges did not gave verdict … and asked for further investigation.

Now .. these 3 judges would also give their verdict tomorrow … that Haramkhor iss qabil nahi kay Parliamentarian ban sakay. … though it would need 1 out of 3 to give that verdict, but I believe all 3 would give same verdict.

**Result **… Tomorrow, on 28 July (Friday), InshaAllah 5-0 judgement verdict would come that … Haramkhor Kamina Parliamentarian bannay kay qabil hee nahi hay …

Umeed hay kay iss kay baad, kayi aur Haramkhor jo Pakistan kay PM aur Ministers rah chukay hain … held public office, they would be thrown out too … InshaAllah.

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SC just now announced that … Larger bench panel of 5 judges (original 5 judges who heard the case) would hear the case on Friday 28 July @ around 11.30 AM … and would conclude the unfinished task or giving their final verdict (remember, 2 have already given their final verdict … 3 still have to give their final verdict) … So, tomorrow would be day of the verdict.

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Or the ‘Day of Judgement’ for NS, his relatives and PML(N) :slight_smile:

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PMLN is party of Blatant Liar who live by deceiving illustrate and ignorant voters. They know that those who vote them are fools and idiots, so, even after getting disqualified, they are blatantly lying on TV to fools their voters. Look at Lies their party Thugs, considered to be top PMLN leadership, are throwing to PMLN voters on TV.

1: NS resigned before disqualification by court.
2: Haramkhor got disqualified because he did not disclosed few lac rupee and that also about salary he should have received from the company in the name of his son, but he did not.
3: Haramkhor did not got disqualified due to corruption
4 … etc, etc … and many such stupid lies

Well:
1: Only an idiot would think that Haramkhor resigned before disqualification.
2: Haramkhor got disqualified on corruption charges … that is, having assets hugely beyond his known income or earning.

Actually, court considers that all properties in London and assets in KSA, etc … are corruption proceeds … and none belongs to children … as they are only used as front persons.

… This disqualification … Court came on corruption charges … regarding London properties … because … Court asked Haramkhor and his cubs that … to produce official document regarding the ownership of those flats … when that flats was acquired by family of Haramkhor … and where they got the money to acquire those flats.

Haramkhor … till today, did not cooperated … and did not show any official document of ownership of London flats , Official (government) documents when that London flats were acquired by Haramkhor and his cubs, and where Haramkhor got the money to acquire those flats. …

**Actually, they could have ended the case a year ago if they had produced official (government) documents regarding ownership of companies that hold those flats … and when that companies were established … and the money trial that would have shown where the money Haramkhor got to buy those London flats. .. **

If Haramkhor was not corrupt, he could have easily given this document … or at least given court the authority to verify companies and assets held by those companies from anywhere in the world (including Panama, UK, British Virgin Island, Switzerland, KSA, Abu Dhabi, Qatar, NZ, etc) … but Haramkhor declined to give that … obviously because all the assets were obtained using corruption money.

Hence … court disqualified Haramkhor (and his cubs) on having assets beyond their inheritance, means and earnings. To say that Haramkhor is not disqualified on corruption charges is not only blatant lie, but PMLN is propagating on TV to fool his supporters (who PMLN know that they are idiots and fools).

Here is what court mentioned during hearing what Haramkhor is charged with … that is … NAB ordinance 9: 5a … that is:

NAB ordinance … (9:5a) .. A holder of public office is considered to have committed corruption if … he, any of his dependants or benamidars (someone considered as Frontmen of the corrupt) … owns, possesses or have right of title in any movable or immovable properties … or pecuniary resources disproportionate to his known source of income … which he cannot reasonably account for.

… With this case … Haramkhor got disqualified because:

Haramkhor (NS) and his cubs (Maryam, Hasan, Hussain, Asma … plus Safdar and Ali) … possesses properties in UK (and other properties, assets, forgeries, lies, etc … that came in JIT … that was added further by 3 judges along with London flats) … that is beyond or disproportionate to his known source of income … be that from inheritance, business profits. or work.

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It seems, some people are getting confused, especially due to propaganda by PMLN, and they might be thinking that when SC disqualified NS as person holding (or held) public offices and also had assets (especially London flats that got exposed in Panama papers and was cause of case) beyond known source of income (inheritance, business profits or pay as worker) in the eyes of SC judges, than why SC judges did not mentioned that clearly in judgement. There is reason for that.

Reason is that … there were not one reasons for NS to get disqualified, but court only mentioned least important but certain (100 percent clear) reason for disqualification. This is normal procedure judges adopt in such cases.

[Remember, Godfather (Vito Corleone, mafia Don of New York) also used to get away from getting punished by courts on technical grounds (even though judges knew that he is getting away), what NS was doing since last 30 years … but the end of Godfather came on very small and insignificant case where he got caught in clear way … like what happened with NS (Mafia Don of Lahore, Godfather of PMLN)]

**On the other hand, court did mentioned to NS lawyers during hearing, that if NS could produce original (official government) documents on the ownership of both companies holding London Mayfair flats, and source of funds used to buy those flats, he would end the case than and there … with no further proceedings.
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As for ownership of flats, corruption, nepotism, misuse of power, lying in parliament (and many other places as NS is habitual Liar), forgery, fraud, deception, perjury, etc, etc, etc … SC judges could have used any one of them too, but SC kept things simple and decided that all this could be referred to trial courts (as SC is not trial court for non-constitutional crimes) … and thus SC has referred them to NAB, who would investigate further and would indict NS and his family on corruption and other crimes … as directed by SC.

If SC had disqualified NS on London flats or any other reasons than this cases would have become less severe in trial courts, especially NAB.

Now situation is that … apart of getting disqualified from holding public offices, NS family, Ishahq Daar and all others involved in this case .. would go through trial court where their assets could get confiscated and they could go to prison too. Maryam case is simple, as she submitted forged documents … so it is possible that other than fine, she could be sent to 7 years imprisonment.

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Did you actually watch the Godfather because thats not what happens? Vito Corleone passes the torch to his son Michael and dies of a heart attack in old age in his garden while playing with his grand son.

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I think he is confusing with Al Capone :slight_smile:

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Well, I wanted to see that the shock of getting caught with Pajama down … still, Noonies are alive or not. :slight_smile:

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Alive and well and more Staunch than ever. I stand with NS and I pray for him. PMLN will come out more stronger, we have seen this before. Congratulations to you. Times to move on.