^i do not hAve tHat much knowldege abt int politics and so, but one tHing i dont understan is,
^wHy is SAudis against Palestiane?
^why they oPpose hAmas and the other guys (i think its the labanon one hizbula)?
I thought palestinianas are good guyz. then why oppose them??
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sadiyah, how old are you and how much do you know about the regional issues. I am not trying to be mean but to get an understandng of soemone new and what they know and age etc helps other discuss with them better and give them information. There are a number of very knowledgeable ppl on this forum who could gve you different perspectives.
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saudi royal familly have offered a peace plan(a few years back now) which they still believe in. hamas dont recognise israel, this doesnt fit in with the peace plan. hizbullah are an armed non government resitance group, so again not inline with saudi royal famillies code of conduct. they dont want to see wars in the region and consider themselves(and are) flag carriers of islam. even in these circumstances they believe in peace, seem abit naive.
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The saudi kingdom was helped set up by non muslims during the world wars.
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wht...they don oppose them.........i mane i'm not into politics myself...but i live here...n all of us r with the [EMAIL="palestinians.....@least"]palestinians.....@least tht is wht i think
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Saudis want to resolve Middle East crisis, but they don't want a plan which Americans may dislike. Hamas and Hezbollah call Israel an illegal state. This is why America doesn't like them, and therefore Saudis don't like them either.
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FYI: Hammas was originally created by israel to counter - another group (names escapes me currently). It has gone a long way, now Hammas is a political entity.
There is alway more than meet the eye
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^dats amazing to know fOr me. ok so here is mY question then,
..'why was the saudI KingdoM established by non-musliMs?
^'who was ruling that place (makka, madina, etc) before the saudis?
^ why were those other guyz overthrown??
^if this saudi one (current govt) was setup by non-muslims, then guyz why do we follow them??
lots of questions…oof…my little brain 
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State of Saud's family was supported by West because Saud's family was against Ottoman caliphate of Turks.
Some 'sharif' of Mecca. Mecca/Medina were called to be in HEJAZ, not in SAUDIA.
Sharif of Mecca was overthrown because Saudis had allied with Wahhabis, and they declared jihad on everyone who disagreed with their brand of Islam.
Saudis were not setup by West, they were supported by West to strengthen their grip on power. Just like today.
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^wOw. lots of good new stuff to know.
...how do u guyz know so mucH about politiCz??
^i am gLad i came down in this section. anewayz....
...so here is another thing,
^the sHeikh at the mosque was talking about some hums / hmaas / hizbo guyZ...who are they???? i first thought its the same arabic thing we eat (hums / hms) :) but anywayz....
so who are these hmaaas? guyz....and why do saudis oppose them too??
is hmaaas same as hums or hamas or whatever is in the news??
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^^ talk about the blind leading the blind
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^ Nazi fascist supporters like to poke nose in every thread.
Saadiyah, if you have questions then you should search for answers yourself. The best teacher is you yourself. Others can direct you but it is you who need to find answers.
Historically, Palestinians have been quite secular people. Yasir Arafat, their longest serving leader, always talked about Arabs and not about Muslims. Palestinian movement involved all Arabs against Zionist occupation, including Palestinian christians.
But Arafat's policies failed to get an iota of favor from Zionist occupants. So Palestinians turned to alternative to secularim, which is Islam. There was a time when Arafat's secular party was supported by almost all Palestinians. But now Palestinians have lost hope in his politics, and are now supporting HAMAS. While Arafat was willing to accept Zionist occupation, Hamas does not.
Israel got more resilient, more passionate army then they could have ever imagined.
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^i am gLad i came down in this section. anewayz....
...so here is another thing,
^the sHeikh at the mosque was talking about some hums / hmaas / hizbo guyZ...who are they???? i first thought its the same arabic thing we eat (hums / hms) :) but anywayz....
so who are these hmaaas? guyz....and why do saudis oppose them too??
is hmaaas same as hums or hamas or whatever is in the news??
Sadiyah
Saudis have long established friendship with Americans. Saudis don't want to displease their masters (Americans) and that's why they don't want to identify themselves with Hamas.
Hamas is an outfit which was established in late 80s to gain freedom from Israel through violent struggle and to build Palestine as an Islamic state. Hamas main supporter is Syria and they have common interest to get back their occupied land and also to solve the problem of Palestine refugees of 1948 who were driven out from their land after the establishment of the state of Israel. These Palestinian refugees live in various Arab countries and seek to come back and live in Israel which is their motherland. Unfortunately the international community doesn't seek to solve this problem but want to solve the problems of 1967 occupied West Bank and Gaja by making it an independent Palestine state. But what about the problem of refugees who were driven out of their land in 1948? Hamas wants to seek a solution to this problem and that's why it is unwilling to recognize the state of Israel unless Palestine refugees of 1948 are allowed to come back to their motherland
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Sadiyah, have you ever been to a couple of the palestinian refugee camps in Saudi Arabia? Some look very much like the ones in the west bank, minus the tanks. Palestinians have been marginalized by nearly all the arab countries for a variety of reasons.
Hamas was formed as an alternative to the PLO and was financially supported and armed at least in part by Shin Bet, part of Israeli secret services, for years to help bring down the PLO.
The PLO allied itself with the Soviet Union at least at one point. Rumor has it that the mujahideen offered to come and drive the PLO out of Palestine after they were through in Afghanistan.
Hezbollah is a Shi'a group actively supported and funded through Iran, which explains why the Saudis have no love for them.
The Arab countries who are 'hosting' the Palestinians have never allowed them to become citizens, and in many cases have even denied them work permits. They live in filthy crowded camps in a state of "limbo." The lucky ones recieve immigrant visas and go west.
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^ I am no expert on this topic but could the reason be that Israel has expelled the Palestinians in the hope that they would disappear forever and never return. Perhaps the Saudis want the Palestinians to retain their identities, not to become settled in their host countries and to return to Palestine one day in order to deny the Israelis desire.
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^ That is the excuse that the Saudi and other Arab governments give, but I'm not really sure that it holds water. My uncle worked for UNRWA during the 1970's and early 80's, and always said that he was surprised at the level of hostility their Arab workers showed towards many Palestinians. I saw a lot of the same during my time in the ME. There is also a certain level of jealousy because Palestinians who do get out of the camps tend to become fairly successful.
The PLO's behavior while in exile didn't exactly engender very much support for Palestinian causes from Arab states. Many Lebanese blamed them for Israel's invasion and worsening the civil war. The attempted coup of the Jordanian government was also not helpful to their cause.
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The PLO's behavior while in exile didn't exactly engender very much support for Palestinian causes from Arab states. Many Lebanese blamed them for Israel's invasion and worsening the civil war. The attempted coup of the Jordanian government was also not helpful to their cause.
A palestinian told me that the Palestinians are the most educated in the whole of the arab world....I would probably go along with that.
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I've read that as well. At one point in time they had the highest level of phDs in the Arab world. I'm not sure where they currently stack up. It's sad that we allow an entire group of people to be wiped out because of such petty tribalism. I remember the oil embargo, the US was at the point of revisiting mideast foreign policy when the Saudis caved, partly in fear of alternative energy source development.
They didn't have to, they chose to, and Israel continues to exploit those divisions.
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They didn't have to, they chose to, and Israel continues to exploit those divisions.
well even if there were alterative energy sources as there would be, oil will still be needed for such things as plastics and cosmetics....the oil producing countries need to diversify their economies and educate their people....so alterative energy sources may prove to be the catalysts for socio-economic change in the region. The wealth would also be distributed more evenly if the oil declined in significance.