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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
...do you believe that disbelievers (all non-Muslims) are deaf and dumb? (I have taken these words from your religious texts.)
What way your religious scriptures ask you to treat the disbelievers?
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yahudi, your utterances expose your "scholarly" being day by day.
just like the verse "kill infidels" any jack a$s can pick this verse to prove that disbelievers can hear and speak.
‘Allah has no partnership.’ And mr Ravvage, you want to convince me the other way. Are you sure that there is no verse in Holy Quran entirely contradictory to the once you have provided?
Are you sure that Allah accepts for the people of the book to worship another Lord?
You can confuse any one with the same old trick, ‘Allah decides.’ Re Ayatollah Seestani, and at the same time there is full facility for revenge, wage a war etc.
Sweetpie, the Holy texts of Islam has logic behind it…..
When I open Quran, exactly the second chapter verse 6 and 7 confuse me. Here Allah has sealed the mind and hearts of the disbelievers, so they do not listen. And further Allah sends them to hell for the same disabilities.
What is the logic here?
(Not only Islam, but no religious scripture of any faith is logic proof.)
Re: Why Religion?
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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
Islam has left no sincerity for disbelievers, people who do not accept the concept of Islam.
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Excuse me Mr. Talking about sincerity.....
Islam is a religon that preaches to respect your parents even if they are not muslims.
It preaches you to help others even if they are non muslims......
One of the reasons islam spread so fast was the good character of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. and you expect people accepted it if he was in sincere to the fellow non muslims.
I would advice you to know a religon before making some lame judgments.
**September 11th… not only non muslims were killed but also muslims. and if Bil Laden was behind the sept 11 attacks… there is no teaching in Holy Quran that I know of that preaches to kill you fellow muslims and non muslims for no reason thats I would advice you to back up your challenge with the Ayat of Quran that justifies their acts before moving on your lame discussion
You wanna know how to spend lives according to the teachings of Quran look at the life of Prophet Mohamamd P.B.U.H. look at the life and teaching of Hazrat Ali A.S.
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*Originally posted by Mr.420: *
Excuse me Mr. Talking about sincerity.....
Islam is a religon that preaches to respect your parents even if they are not muslims.
It preaches you to help others even if they are non muslims......
One of the reasons islam spread so fast was the good character of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. and you expect people accepted it if he was in sincere to the fellow non muslims.
I would advice you to know a religon before making some lame judgments.
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Just curious, what does islam say about the Khalifas (hazrat Abu Baker r.a. , Hazrat Umar r.a. , Hazrat Usman r.a.) ?
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September 11th..... not only non muslims were killed but also muslims. and if Bil Laden was behind the sept 11 attacks... there is no teaching in Holy Quran that I know of that preaches to kill you fellow muslims and non muslims for no reason
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and if there is a reason is it ok? acceptable??
Well as per the reason given by al quida, this was done as a retailiation to US policy in Middle east.
Well, so he had a reason. Now do you support his action??
oh yes, the action is supported by your religious texts, unless you dont know about it.
PS- FYI, i dont support racist, bigots in US admint and neither do i support terrorist like Osama.
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
Advani, Modi are true Hindus and are following their beliefs. Raja Dahir was also following Hindus when the population was oppressed and ships were being looted.
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There was a
Muslim community in Malabar, southwest India as early as 618 C.E. as a
result of King Chakrawati Farmas accepting Islam at the hands of
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
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*Originally posted by soul: *
and if there is a reason is it ok? acceptable??
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Well ofcourse it depends on the reason... infact its in almost any court of law.
for example if someone killed anyone as in per say if we say osama killed innocent people on sept 11.... yeah there is a reason that he should be executed.
but like I said Septermber 11 innocent people both muslims and non muslims were killed. no matter what retalliation or watever it was but those lives lost were innocent...... and From what I know and have been taught I don't find any where in the light of quran to kill innocent.
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*Originally posted by soul: *
oh yes, the action is supported by your religious texts, unless you dont know about it.
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I am sorry man. I just don't believe in other words, if it is supported in the religous text care to justify it rather than expecting me to have a blind faith on watever you and yahudi have to say.
Let me ask you
**Where in Quran does it ask to kill fellow muslims?
and fellow non muslims for no reason.
Goahead and justify your challenge in the light of Quran
before we move on with the discussion Mr. Soul and Yahudi.
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Let me ask you
Where in Quran does it ask to kill fellow muslims?
and fellow non muslims for no reason.
Goahead and justify your challenge in the light of Quran
before we move on with the discussion Mr. Soul
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**"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers (non-Muslims) who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil)."
(Koran 9:123)
"O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
(Koran 5:51)
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers (become Muslims) and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
(Koran 9:5)
"O ye who believe! Take not for friends Unbelievers (non-Muslims) rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
(Koran 4:144)
"Thou seest many of them turning in friendship to the Unbelievers (non-Muslims). Evil indeed are (the works) which their souls have sent forward before them (with the result), that Allah's wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide."
(Koran 5:80)
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
(Koran 9:29)
Allah's Apostle (Muhammed) said, 'The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.'"
(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)
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Thank you
Re: Why Religion?
Religions give people a set of beliefs that guide them, and provide moral structure, for right and wrong. Why do you have a problem with taht? And who are you to claim that the large majority of people do not take scriptures seriously? I love these random statistics you conjure up to support a frailing argument. The only thing that yould happen if things were kept to and people listened to tehir religion is that people wouild, largely be more tolerant. "Do unto yoursefl" etc,....
You Blind (not literally) man, read again.
And remember, when starting a debate, its always best to begin from neutral, reguardless of your personal beliefs.
results in a much more reasoned discussion.
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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
Sweetpie, the Holy texts of Islam has logic behind it…..
When I open Quran, exactly the second chapter verse 6 and 7 confuse me. Here Allah has sealed the mind and hearts of the disbelievers, so they do not listen. And further Allah sends them to hell for the same disabilities.
What is the logic here?
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Yahudi, you're obviously taking the literal text of the Koran out of context. You're interpreting it completely off base.
soul and yahudi.... man you are experts. now teach me about zoroastrians, the bahais and others.
it would be very uncomfy for you to know that, i know my avestan literature/history petty well. See that you dont throw another challenge, that you can not handle.
Still better, i suggest you stay on the topic, even if it is not going your way.
And the topis is … 
soul, the uncomfortable person is you not me, I'm satisfied with my religion, I understand it more than you think you understand Islam. You can visit a thousands of anti-Islam websites to know the "bad" parts (parts which can be easily twisted to look bad) and you will consider yourself a conquerer against Islam. your each and every attempt to prove Islam is violent, teaches its follower to kill every infidel he finds on his way to work or anywhere is nothing more than pathetic.
Dear Sweetpie, first you claimed logic, now you talk of context and base.
Well, pls do me a favor. Enlighten me with the context and on base theory of following…..
When I open Quran, exactly the second chapter verse 6 and 7 confuse me. Here Allah has sealed the mind and hearts of the disbelievers, so they do not listen. And further Allah sends them to hell for the same disabilities.
yahudi, when your son does not listen to you (ignores your commands), what do you call that? isn't that called "he doesn't listen"? or is he really deaf?
his act of not listening to you may also be called "dumb", does that really mean that he in fact is dumb?
Soul, before copying and pasting any stuff from anti-islamic websites, you shoud know something that is called 'shaan-e-nuzool'. Every ayah , every verse in Quran has a history, a background about it. And true scholars who do understand Islam give us the insight of what is being said and why. Even you dont need a true scholar, just do a little research yourself before just copying pasting from sites, and that requires an open heart :)
Just like someone said up there, before you comment on any relegion, be sure what you are talking about. I think you are old enough to realize that, but just dont wanna implement it.
Saby, :) That was a beautiful reply.
most of the fight involves material things not about somebody
praying to" wrong" god 10,000 miles away.