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Doesn’t the Quran also say that? Perhaps hadith become tradition soley to solve that issue (that it doesn’t have everything in it - important issues like how to brush your teeth, which animals are allowed in the home, etc)
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Well I see the Hadith as examples. I mean if you were to give me the Quran, explain it I still would not be sure whether I was doing what was exactly correct. Whereas if I look at the life of the Prophet (SAW), things are clear.
I think Hadith are supposed to make things clearer for us, although at times they seem to be doing the opposite. But again, it depends a lot on the person. And I dont think one can go wrong if one lives by both.
Personally I think it has a lot to do with educating and understanding.
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His example is just like that of Abraham, or Moses, or other Prophets before him.. the example of believing in monotheism. We take it for granted today, back then it was baby steps.. forget asking people to emulate how he bathed, or cleaned etc.. everyone probably did the same as per the culture… the example to follow was of rejecting polytheism and embracing monotheism.
IF all humankind from start to end received ONE religion than it makes little sense to think your religion revolves around the peculiar habits of one prophet or elevate what he said or did in his daily life to some divine message.
He delivered the message to us, that was his job. He did it admirably. We have the Qur’an.
Qur’an has all that’s necessary for our salvation. It doesn’t have the recipe to make Pizza. Thus you will not find silly commandments concerning facial hair, or wearing of gold or prohibition of animals in the household. These are NOT matters of faith; if they were, Allah would have included it.
Can u not see that He sent 6000+ verses declaring halaal and haraam where needed? What stopped Him from including everything else that needed to be declared as such? or other details that were vital for our religion?
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PA - your posts are a breath of fresh air. I am glad you are sharing your years of research in such a simple and to the point manner. Thanks brother.
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And for those who already believe in monotheism these Prophets then become meaningless postmen who should be ignored in whatever else they do… do all members of the ‘i-can-explain-the-qur’an-better-than-the-prophet’ brigade subscribe to such ridiculous notions?
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Do those who treat hadith as culture, tradition and history instead of theological teachings and the word of God really think they can explain the Quran better than the prophet? Or do they just think they don't need an instruction manual for The Instruction Manual?
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^ the Prophet's (saw) role was not just to deliver the Qur'an but also to explain it... those who think his explanation is irrelevant or that they can better it are following neither the Qur'an nor the Prophet (saw)...
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^ who cares
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But you are doing more than seeking his explanations, you idolize him and put his words on par with those of God. Why wouldn’t God have added chapters to the Quran instead of relying on a game of he-said, she-said for things that are so important they can determine your salvation? After all, man supposedly corrupted His previous books, so why would He allow corrupt hadith to be confused with authentic hadith and expect men to sort through the mess?
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[75:16] Do not move your tongue with it to make haste with it,
[75:17] Surely on Us (devolves) the collecting of it and the reciting of it.
[75:18] Therefore when We have recited it, follow its recitation.
[75:19] Again on Us (devolves) the explaining of it
Allah Himself has said that explaining His Book is upon him.. the messenger is just to follow the recital.
[72:20] Say (unto them, O Muhammad): I pray unto Allah only, and ascribe unto Him no partner.
[72:21] Say: Lo! I control not hurt nor benefit for you.
[72:22] Say: Lo! none can protect me from Allah, nor can I find any refuge beside Him
[72:23] (Mine is) but conveyance (of the Truth) from Allah, and His messages; and whoso disobeyeth Allah and His messenger, lo! his is fire of hell, wherein such dwell for ever.
The messenger himself told us that his duty on this earth was just conveying Allah's message. Will we then receive his message and study the Qur'an?
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ask and answered… shall i repeat myself?
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^ Yes, please. I must have missed it the first time.
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Did Allah Himself personally transcribe the Qur’an with pen and ink, collect it, bind the pages together, make copies of it and distribute it among men or was this done through the medium of the Prophet (saw) in the first instance and his Companions?
Through the medium of the Prophet (saw) as above… the explanation was given to him… he gave it to mankind.
The conveyance includes its explanation of course… the Prophet (saw) was far from being just a postman…
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gupguppy bhai jaan u must have read this phrase in the Qur'an a lot of times..
كَذَلِكَ يُبيِّنُ اللّهُ لَكُمُ الآيَاتِ
Thus does Allah make clear his communications
Well now u'd understand 75:19 a little better. It wasn't any extra-Qur'anic explanation.. it was a Qur'an itself fully detailed and explained.
As for the Prophet being more than just a messenger.,. what part of Only a messenger do u not understand?
[16:35] And they who give associates (to Allah) say: If Allah had pleased, we would not have served anything besides Allah, (neither) we nor our fathers, nor would we have prohibited anything without (order from) Him. Thus did those before them; is then aught incumbent upon the messengers except a plain delivery (of the message)?
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bhai jaan where do u make that leap of Wisdom = Sunnah = Books of Bukhari and Muslim et al ?
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Okay, PA, enlighten us how you understand this wisdom bit?
Allah showed great kindness to the believers whom He sent a Messenger to them from among themselves to recite His Signs to them and purify them and **teach them the Book and Wisdom, even though before that they were clearly misguided - (3:164)
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free for all? in what sense?
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In one of many threads here about following the Sunnah, when challenged ‘How you pray?’ you had stated that you do don’t follow the traditional sets of rakahs for each prayer. If being in the mood, you may pray seven rakahs for Maghrib and if not and a bit tired may end up praying only one rakah for Zuhr prayers. Have I got it correct?
Just imagine if everyone followed your way - that’s what I mean by ‘free for all’, everyone following his own whims and desires.
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A messenger conveys information. I don’t know Arabic, but if “conveyance” and “messenger” have the same meaning in Arabic as they do in English, a messenger conveys someone else’s message. They can convey it or disclose it. They can also express, impart, make known, make public, pass on, project, put across, relate, send, bring, carry, dispatch, ferry, fetch, forward, traject, transfer, divulge, inform, let out, proclaim, reveal, tell, transmit or deliver it. Bottom line is it is someone else’s message and this case it is God’s.
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People usually discard sunnah because Hadees is passed on from other people. I guess sunnis usually follow those in Sahi Bukhari. There are some Ahadees that have been made up by some people.
I've seen some people of different sects saying this. If you tell them that some hadees says blah blah they'll be like is there anything similar said in Quran? It's such a gunnah to discard sunnah. Doesn't Allah also tell us to listen to our Prophet? He didn't use to make up stuff, whatever he used to tell his people all came from Allah.
Another fact is that our Prophet (saw) didn't know how to read and write. So as the Quranic ayahs were sent through the angels they used to help Prophet in memorizing the Quran and then he'd tell the ayahs to Sahaba and then they used to write them down. These people should also discard Quran then if they don't believe in sunnah and ahadees because they've been passed on coz sabah could've messed up with ayahs too, right or not? Gosh.
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Don’t forget the rest of the verse… “Allah knew that you acted unfaithfully to yourselves”… any ideas what this means?
and please don’t forget the earlier questions… Which of the daily prescribed prayers if any is referred to? We are told of a prayer on Friday yet no where in the Qur’an does it tell us what this prayer is (is it a new prayer or does it take the place of one of the other prayer times given in the Qur’an?)… We are told of a call to prayer yet no where prior to this is any call to prayer instituted nor is there any mention of how the call should be made or at what time…
According to your logic then Allah did indeed Himself transcribe the Qur’an with pen and ink, collect it, bind the pages together, make copies of it and distribute it among men…
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from p.1… “God (in the Qur’an) asks us to take the Prophet (saw) as an example, obey him and accept his judgements… we are not worshipping the Prophet (saw)… we are referring to him to the extent that God has ordered us to…”
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The way I take it is this:
hadeeth has to be the saying of the prophet:saw:
If it is not his :saw: words, then it is not a hadeeth to begin with. So, given this situation, my answers would be: