Re: Why Quran and NOT Sunnah
Allah would not have sent the Prophet or his Sunnah if he did not want you to acknowledge them. Basically what I am saying is, yes we have the Quran , but how can you be sure you are following it correctly , unless you look at Sunnah?
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So the Prophet (saw) is only an example when it comes to monotheism??.. as regards how to pray, perform the hajj rites, marriage, morals etc. he isn’t to be taken as an example, the people just ignored him when it came to such things… do you really mean to sound so ridiculous?
The verse addressed the believers during the battle of Al Ahzab… they were already monotheists…
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What do people feel about hadeeth that contradict each other
hadeeth that were tossed out back in the day..
hadeeth that just seem strange when you read them and you wonder if the prophet would actually say something like that.
as PA said, you dont have tro discard hadeeth, but you have to doubt it, think, see if it makes sense, ask someone who would really know, and not just blindly accept it because it made the cut when the books were made and many hadeeth were tossed out..how can you be 100% sure that the compilers did not toss out some authentic ones, and how can you be sure that the compilers got rid of all the baseless ones.
The compilers and sorters of ahadeeth, although respected men, were not god, and they used cross referencing and number of sources to try and organize hadeeth, but again does that in itself guarantee that all hadeeth that made the cut are accurate? I doubt it
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no one claims that all of tehm r accurate....
they have a good sound methodology to check the accuracy of ahadith....
and they r classified....
u think only now ppl realize that one needs to be careful when associating words to the Prophet (saw)????
but, ppl who outrightly reject the ahadith, they r surely lost from the right path....
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Fraudia jee I understand that perfectly. However, if somebody is to say a Hadith contradicts another, or that its not obvious where it came from or its 'wrong' --- as you're all pointing out- shouldnt the answer be then found in the Quran?
I dont think one is to doubt Hadith, I think one should be unsure .And ofcourse Islam is all about learning, so most definately people should go out and try to find some answers.
yet Im talking about individuals who directly toss out Hadiths, without doing any research whatsoever about them. Or they say that they can follow Quran without following Sunnah.
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Actually along the same lines (Quraan vs Sunnah) then what about Faraz (mandatory) vs Sunnat(extra credit) in Namaz (prayer)?
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Well some people do Farz prayers but skip Sunnah prayers. But constantly neglecting Sunnah prayers is wrong, unfortunately I dont have the Hadith or Quranic Ayah about this issue.
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They do NOT reject the actions of the Exalted Prophet that are in-sync with the Quran. They only reject those narrations that are an insult to the Exalted Prophet and apparently in contradiction of the Quran.
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Some yes. Others dont wish to acknowledge any or most of the Sunnah practices.
now why would a Hadith insult the Prophet (SAW). And which Hadith? Give an example.
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MQ- the difficulty with blind followers of Hadith is that they do not understand how such and such hadith came into being. The poor souls take it at face value and believe it is how the Exalted Prophet did. I would follow anything that the Exalted Prophet commanded or did himself. But you have to prove it to me that this is what he actually said or did. How do I prove?. Once again, you test the hadith agianst the Quran and if it passes the test, then it is a hadith that needs to be followed. But NOT all hadith pass the test.
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MQ- I am not going to do this all over again. Those hadith have been quoted numerous times by me and other users. You shoudl do the search.
But for example, here is an insult to the Exalted Prophet hadith... I am not gonna quote... that he married Ayesha when she was 6 yrs old. Quran commands age of marriage to be after one reaches puberty. A 6 year old girl having reached puberty is virtually impossible.
Also here is another gem from Bukhari, the most authentic source for hadith followers... "The Prophet said that the best man amongst his followers is the one who has the greatest number of wives (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:52)" The Qur'an (49:13) tells us that the best person is the one who is best in conduct.
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Why is it wrong?
I read a book on Libya and Libyans skip sunnah prayers(per their leader Moammar)
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Can some one justify why they reject certain ahadith / acccept certain ahadith?
1-Is it due to credibility /uncredibility of certain interpretors in the hadith chain.
2-or is it due to the fact that certain ahadith ( in our opinion - but not in the opinion of great muhadithheens) contradict quran ..have any of those who oppose /refuse to accept those ahadith actually researched about the authenticity of that ahadith or is it that their whole eeman is based upoun some web content or some pamphelet distributed after jummah prayers ?
3-Why is it that some so called quranist refuse to accept ahadith …but accept each and every word of quran transmitted to us through htose narrators…( you dont rely on sahbahs on thier interpretaion of hazrat muhammad:saw: actions and yet belive in the quran in which these very sahbahs 
acted as medium source between us and hazoor :saw:
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The same Quran says the man was created from mud....
it says man was created from a clot of blood....
it says man was created from water....
its self-contradictory in its own self....
but only for those who have limited understanding like urself....
cud u not find a better example????
the fact is that ppl who want to make religion very easy for themselves choose to deny ahadith just to find an excuse for their mis-doings....
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Here is what my take is, on this issue. I think its perfectly fine to analyze each hadith and come to a conclusion whether the hadith supports Quran or not. As a rule of thumb, any purported hadith that contradicts Quran should be discarded, regardless of which book it is coming from. However there are two things that are important.
You need to understand the context of quranic guidance and ahadith to understand them properly, in order to come to a conclusion. Summary readings and out-of-context snippets are mostly incorrect.
You should have a desire to get to the right answer and not the most convenient answer. A lot of people try to discard ahadeeth, simply to avoid requirements.
And lastly, if someone is willing to discuss why they feel a certain hadith is probably not strong, I think thats fine. But if someone says, "give me evidence only from Quran, and I don't want to hear any ahadith to support your position", that to me is an incomplete discussion. You need to have all the information on the table to get to the right answer, and not a sliced-and-diced version of our deen to suit someone's fancies.
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fg - If you have a specific Hadith, I would like to see them.Ofcourse I can do my own research, but I might not come across the same hadith you might be talking of.
About Aeysha's (RA) age, I dont think thats wrong. I think the years were different back then , then they are now. Im now sure exactly how...but they were not exactly how todays 6 years would be. I think we discussed this somewhere else too.
As for the second Hadith , its the first time Im seeing it. But in Islam, when a guy marries more than one woman, I dont think its to quench his physical appetites. it's to help women who may be widowed etc. So if this Hadith is in fact from Bukhari, it could mean a man who marries many women in order to help them. As you know , marriage isnt about just physical needs.
Verizon--- well Im sure you know that if a person missed Farz prayers, then his/her Sunnah prayers would be used to replace the missed prayers when everything is counted up - that being on the day of Qiyyamah.
Faisal-- I agree with what you said completely.
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Faisal -------Agreed
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How does using “if the hadith doesn’t contradict the Quran” test verify that it is indeed something Muhammed commanded or did himself? Doesn’t it just mean that the author was wiser than the one who contradicts the Quran? Doesn’t sound like a very accurate test.
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tell me why scholars even bother to classify narrations as “weaK”.. it’s accusations against the Holy Prophet we’re talking about.. I’d rather have TRUE and FALSE. than the varying degrees of half truths. As for the methodology, the less said the better. They have come up with a circular method to prove one piece of information based on what they themself wrote elsewhere. The same people ‘approving’ hadiths based on the narrators wrote personal biographies for them… who in their right mind would believe in such concoctions let alone call it a “Science”?
r u suggesting there weren’t misguided people who concocted stories to earn money or respect or for just plain mischief? Even rulers promoted certain kind of narrations in their times to further their personal agendas.. back then it was easy to get Muslims to do something if “The Prophet said” was inserted in the beginning.. it appears it’s still true today.
that’s your opinion. you’re entitled to it. Nowhere do we find a command from Allah to go seek other sources of religious guidance than the Qur’an.
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Well, i’ve just looked at the 52nd hadith in Bukhari’s Book of Nikah and didn’t see anything like this… so instead of paraphrasing or copying-and-pasting from Dr. Shabbir Ahmed why don’t you quote the exact hadith or better still here is a Bukhari database… see if you can come up with a link… you do know where the hadith is don’t you?
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/
Furthermore, EVERY hadith commentator knows that common statements like “the best of you”, “the greatest of you” in hadith usually mean “among the best of you…” or “among the best characteristics that you can possess are…”… it doesn’t rule out other good qualities as well… so assuming the hadith is found it means, “among the good qualities that my followers can possess…,” (but i’m getting ahead of myself – you have to find the hadith first!)