Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

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yeah, just like english cannot cater all the australian slangs sounds

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And punjabi hindus also can read and write gurumukhi script, this has detached punjab from urdu and persian that every literate punjabi in pre partition lahore was known for, my grandfather who did his matriculation in Lahore can read and write urdu and persian though I can’t read or write beyond hindi and english but can speak four languages:)

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Yes it got 52 alphabets to cater additional sounds

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which four? English, Hindi and..... ? Punjabi and Kashmiri?

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No not kashmiri, I don't understand even a word of it:D, fourth is kannada (north karantaka dialect) not the civilized one of south karnataka:D

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Why was himachal separated from Punjab? As pahari and punjabi are almost similar languages, not that much difference.

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Same is with Dogri langauge which is similar to punjabi too but was always part of Jammu, Himachal was 95% hindu, it is still the state with highest hindu percentage, in punjab sooba, akali always wished for sikh majority, in fact, punjab is now jattistan as majority of top leadership in punjab is jatt:)

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^ but the population of Himachal is not that much, even if it was part of Punjab still there would have been a Sikh majority, no?

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Whats the proportion of Hindi, Haryanvi and Punjabi speakers in Haryana?

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When the demand of seprate punjab sooba came up, the other places where non punjabis were majority didn't accede to idea of punjab, if we add punjab,haryana and himachal, it is hindu majority, but regionwise division made punjab a sikh majority while himachal and haryana became hindu majority state.

In haryana, Haryanvi speakers are huge majority might be upto 80%, with many punjabi speakers especially in district like Yamunanagar and ambala:)

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Having lived in South Karnataka during my college years and used to the southern dialect, it is hilarious to even hear the northern dialect. :D

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Yeah, for example north karnataka, Bidar-Gulbarga people would say onion as Urrangaddi while you people from south say it as urali:D, kannada spoken by you people is far more formal and suits formally, north karnataka dialect is more informal and great when spoken in friend circle with all abuses like punjabi:D

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Just because you never heard of it does not mean it does not exist!

Right Kinzz, Punjabi curriculam exist and they offer exams for Adib, Alim and Fazil,I know one of friends got his Panjabi Fazil degree or certificate from Punjab University!

Yes you are not right!

So we can assume you do not have Punjabi friends..:)****

LAHORE – The pass percentage of inmates in Punjab has significantly decreased with none of the candidates passing in six of the nine examinations, an official document says.
Overall, 14 courses – Primary, Middle, Matriculation, FA, BA, MA, Punjabi Fazil / Urdu Fazil, Adeeb Urdu, Al Lisanul Arabic, Electric Course, Taleem-ul-Quran, Nazra Quran, Hafiz-e-Quran and Tarjamaul Quran – are currently being offered by the Punjab Prisons department to both kinds of inmates – convicts and under-trial.
According to the document, no candidate appeared in Primary, Electric Course, Taleemul Quran, Hafiz-e-Quran and Tarjamaul Quran examinations; while 105 appeared in Middle, 239 in Matriculation, 196 in FA, 81 in BA, 17 in MA, 113 in Punjabi Fazil / Urdu Fazil, 179 in Adeeb Urdu, 276 in Al Lisanul Arabic and 18 in Nazra Quran examinations.
Of a total of 1,224 prisoners-cum-students who took one of these examinations, only 205 of them were declared as successful: 114 in Al Lisanul Arabic, 89 in Middle and two in Nazra Quran examinations, the document adds.
“I was depressed when I came to the jail but my life changed after doing Al Lisanul Arabic course,” says an inmate serving life sentence in the Lahore Central Jail. He believes that his life will be different after release from jail since he could now earn his livelihood by teaching children. Citing the example of a fellow inmate Ayaz Muhammad, who had recently done MA in Urdu, he said jail could change the life of an inmate.

So there you have it Punjabi Classes are taught in the Jails where there is a Captive Audiance! :smiley: Maybe somewhat similar to the Captive audiance of all Urdu speakers in this thread you think?
What happened to All the Punjabis around here?

Why does it take a Sindhi to stand up for Punjabi Zubaan?:(****

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Sindsagar.. go through the whole thread (especially responses of members from Punjab) that will give you the concept why I raised this question. I do have friends from Punjab, but they all avoid speaking Punjabi in their families and never read Punjabi as a subject.

Aalim Fazil is not the conventional mode of education, if it covers Punjabi as a medium of instruction. Do we have a separate transcript for Punjabi in Pakistan?

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Yes you are right Punjabi is the proverbial third wheel, most City dwellers prefer to speak Urdu since it is taught at the Primary to Matric level, I attended English medium schools but always spoke Punjabi at home.

Punjabi is written with persian script just like Urdu.

The only advantage and that too a very distinct one for Punjabi is the Cuss Words! I know most Urdu Speakers pick up on the Punjabi Cuss words very fast…:smokin:

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Urdu speakers sometimes use these words without knowing meaning of the words :slight_smile:

For me Punjabi got big treasure of Sufi poetry.

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All the Punjabi/Siraiki Poets wrote in Persian script or atleast the ones I managed to read.

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I also think so.. The concept of Alif Allah is presented in the poetry of almost all Sufi poets including Bulleh Shah, Sultan Bahoo, Shah Hussain ,etc. That shows they used Persian script for their poetry.

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I don't think the situation for Punjabi is so bad in Pakistani Punjab, despite the fact that it's not being taught at school level. It would be unfair to say that no one in Punjab speaks Punjabi/likes to speak Punjabi, just based on a sample of population from some major cities. Yes, admittedly people in Lahore, especially the 'wannabes' may not like to speak Punjabi, but it's not entirely true that no one speaks Punjabi with their family.

I have lived in Lahore for a major part of my life, half of my family lives there, and we all speak Punjabi at home, or even outside. We aren't ashamed of speaking Punjabi. But it could possibly be because we are from a village, and people in the villages still speak Punjabi 100% of the times. Even the kids of younger generation. They only speak Urdu in Schools, in a 'formal setting', because they are required to. Otherwise, among friends and classmates, everyone speaks Punjabi. In fact, if you try to speak in Urdu in the village, everyone will make fun of you for trying to put on airs. So yeah, Punjabi might still survive, despite the lack of government's support.

It's the people in the cities who are apparently ashamed of speaking Punjabi. Because unfortunately, Punjabi has been labelled as a 'paindu' or crude language, which is fit only for the people living in villages or for the 'servant class''. Have you noticed how people talk to their servants in Punjabi. So this association with the village people and also with the lower working class has led to the belief that Punjabi somehow has a lower status. I don't see why it has to be so. I am sure people living in the villages, and people working as servants are also human beings. Also, someone I know says that a lot of people, who speak Punjabi at home are afraid to be seen speaking Punjabi outside, because they don't want to be perceived as uneducated or illiterate. It's sad, that in Pakistan, you are only considered refined or cultured if you speak Urdu, and 'modern' if you can speak English. And everyone thinks very highly of you if you can talk in English, no matter how poorly!I think our definition of cultured or educated people is very flawed.

I am a linguist by profession and I am all for cultural diversity. I would like to see people speaking/learning as many languages as possible. I don't see why only Urdu or English should be propagated. Yes, they allow us to communicate with a wider variety of people. For example, if there was no Urdu, I wouldn't be able to communicate with someone from Sindh, Baluchistan or KP, because I don't know their languages. And if I didn't know English, I would not have been able to communicate with people from other countries. However, one should also be able to speak in their mother tongue, to connect with their own cultural heritage. It wouldn't be very wise to try and learn to communicate with 'others', when you don't even know your own mother tongue.

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Punjabis have drowned their language in Pakistani nationalism.