Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

[KKF]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

@STA

I think Urdu script is more closer to Punjabi, so yes, it can be used.

WHAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTt...i'm surprised at your statement :(

[STA]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

@muqawwee123

When you say Sohniya in Punjabi, Urdu can't cater it.. Sindhi can :D

Urdu can too.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

@STA

Urdu can too.

No my dear. A Punjabi can explain you better.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

@Khalil KhaaN FaaKhta

WHAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTt...i'm surprised at your statement :(

STA is right KKF. urdu can cater almost 90% Punjabi vocab and till date anything (including songs and dialogues for Punjabi movies) have been written in urdu script

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

@muqawwee123

For me losing rich language like Punjabi will lead the next generations into real inferiority complex. It would be real loss for Punjabi society, when its next generation could not know the language of its Sufi poets.

I see a little hope in Punjabi satellite channels, but when people avoid talking to their children in Punjabi, children will also not care about their ancestor’s language.

Here’s another thread on this topic in this forum, interesting reply by saregamapa:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/culture-literature-and-linguistics/437849-is-punjabi-a-dying-language-in-pakistan.html

Many languages from Indian subcontinent will die.

Punjabi is dying because of Partition of India. Indian Hindu Punjabis prefer to speak Hindi than Punjabi, Muslims prefer Urdu over Punjabi, only Sikhs like to speak in Punjabi. Moreover the scripts of Punjabi are different in India (Gurmukhi) and Pakistani.

Sindhi is in worse shape than Punjabi. In India Sindhis have no state, so Sindhi is not taught in schools. Many Muslim Sindhis too prefer to speak in Urdu than Sindhi.

Some how Indian Muslims feel that Urdu is a Muslim language . Many Indian Muslims would reject their mother tongue like Marathi, Konkani and send kids to Urdu medium schools. Urdu and Hindi were spoken both by Hindus and Muslims , somehow it got a communal tone.

In India English and Hindi are killing all languages. Languages like Marathi will die because of Hindi and English. This is one of the reason there is growing anti-Hindi sentinments in Maharashtra. Hindi speakers never learn Marathi in Maharashtra. This has given rise to Marathi based politics which politicians like Raj Thackeray are exploiting.

[KKF]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

@muqawwee123

STA is right KKF. urdu can cater almost 90% Punjabi vocab and till date anything (including songs and dialogues for Punjabi movies) have been written in urdu script

Punjabi has it's own script...Urdu script is NOT a replacement/substitute for Punjabi Script.

[STA]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

@Khalil KhaaN FaaKhta

WHAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTt...i'm surprised at your statement :(

what is the problem? Urdu can be used to write punjabi words.

[KKF]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

@STA

what is the problem? Urdu can be used to write punjabi words.

never phonetically correctly. can u write Urdu in roman CORRECTLY? the answer is NEVER!

[STA]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

which word of punjabi is different ?

[muqawwee123]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

@STA

which word of punjabi is different ?

Sohniya..... can't be written in Urdu properly.

[STA]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

seen wao chota hay non chota yay alif

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

Interesting article but quite long…

THE LANGUAGE DIVIDE IN PUNJAB

The language divide in Punjab at the turn of the twentieth century presents a complex phenomenon. In the wake of the reorganization of Indian states along linguistic lines in the fifties, the Sikh community in Punjab demanded a Punjabi-speaking State, in which Punjabi would be the official language. Its recognition was unduly delayed due to opposition from Hindus living in the states now Haryana and Punjab. Prior to Independence, Punjabi Hindus used Urdu as the language of administration, commerce and journalism. Urdu was also the major language of literary expression in British Punjab while Punjabi was the spoken language. As Punjabi Hindus were mainly a mercantile urban middle class, they were enthusiastic users of Urdu. They were also struggling to procure political status for Hindi which would displace Urdu. In their eagerness to achieve this objective, they began declaring Hindi rather than Punjabi as their mother tongue in the censuses with the intention of gaining numerical precedence over Muslims and Urdu.[1]](THE LANGUAGE DIVIDE IN PUNJAB) Like the Hindus, and swayed by their leaders, Punjabi Muslims–who mostly spoke regional varieties of Punjabi–fought to maintain Urdu’s official status on the lower and middle rungs of civil administration and education.

After Independence, as a result of the partition of India, most of the Muslim population from Punjab migrated to Pakistan and similarly the entire Sikh population together with most of the Hindus from west Punjab migrated to the Indian Punjab. In the Indian Punjab, language confrontation shifted from Urdu-Hindi to Hindi-Punjabi soon after the question of deciding the state language arose.[2]](THE LANGUAGE DIVIDE IN PUNJAB) It was also accompanied by communal tensions between Hindus and Sikhs which had remained dormant during the British period since the struggle was primarily confined to the two major religious groups–Hindus and Muslims. As a tiny minority, the Sikhs previously had a deep and symbiotic relationship with the Hindu community at large. In fact, the two were tied to each other through a complex of laminated attitudes and reciprocities, besides the bonds of blood and bone.[3]](THE LANGUAGE DIVIDE IN PUNJAB) Since Hindus and Sikhs jointly constituted a minority against the Muslim majority in the British Punjab the Sikhs, by and large, threw in their lot with Hindus.

The emergence of Hindu and Muslim nationalism in Punjab led to a distortion of certain cultural processes, with the most potent expression showing in the identification of language with religion.[4]](THE LANGUAGE DIVIDE IN PUNJAB) In fact, this situation prevailed in all the provinces of North India in which the Hindu and Muslim populations were numerically balanced–albeit rather precariously. Prior to Partition, the Muslims had a slight majority over the Hindus in the united Punjab.[5]](THE LANGUAGE DIVIDE IN PUNJAB) The British rulers made Urdu a medium of school instruction and administration at the lower and middle levels with this in view. After the Muslims migrated to Pakistan, Urdu was displaced as a language of administration and education due to the disappearance of Muslims from the political scene. It should have been natural for Punjabi to take its place for the simple reason that it was the spoken language of the people. But this did not happen. A battle of succession started, the Hindus fighting for Hindi and the Sikhs for Punjabi.[6]](THE LANGUAGE DIVIDE IN PUNJAB) The Hindus as a majority identified themselves with Hindi, and Muslims in Pakistan abandoned Punjabi and made Urdu a communal badge of their ethnic identity. Even in British Punjab they were committed to Urdu since it was the language of their religious identity. In Indian Punjab, Hindus started cultivating Hindi with fanatic devotion and Punjabi became a symbol of the Sikhs’ cultural and political identity. Under the impact of Arya Samaj, a Hindu reform organization, the Hindus had already adopted Hindi as communal symbol of Hindu nationalism and Sikhs began constructing their minority identity through Punjabi language and literature under the influence of the Singh Sabha movement.[7]](THE LANGUAGE DIVIDE IN PUNJAB)

[muqawwee123]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

@STA

seen wao chota hay non chota yay alif

noon and Re of Urdu doesn't full criteria of actual word. You can't understand this STA, because you don't know the exact essence of Punjabi word

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

It seems as if Punjabi has been a victim of communalism, with Muslim (urban) Punjabis opting for Urdu, Hindus for Hindi and the Sikhs are vouching for Punjabi. There are some people who consider Punjabi to be a dialect of Hindi.

The Punjabi-Hindi conflict in the fifties and sixties, by and large, revolved around three issues.[9]](THE LANGUAGE DIVIDE IN PUNJAB) The first was the status of the Punjabi language. Hindus argued that Punjabi was not a full-fledged language. It was only a dialect of Hindi without a strong literary tradition and one that could not be raised to the status of a state language due to its backwardness. The second reason given was that Punjabi did not have a thoroughly developed script of its own. Finally, there was no specific area or region in Punjab where it was being spoken, because Hindus, claiming Hindi as their mother tongue, lived all over Punjab. Hindus, therefore, argued against Punjabi not because they had convincing reasons, but because Hindi was the language of their religious discourse and a symbol of their political dominance. In their fight against Urdu they had already adopted Hindi as a symbol of their distinct socio-political identity.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

@Ali_Syed

It seems as if Punjabi has been a victim of communalism, with Muslim (urban) Punjabis opting for Urdu, Hindus for Hindi and the Sikhs are vouching for Punjabi.

So Sikhs are the one, who are the wali waris of Punjabi now.

[Ali_Syed]

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Yes it seems so...but how long can they stand?

[STA]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

ok if it is rrrryyy sound, then sindhi is best available option to incorporate those alphate in punjabi alphabet script.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

@Ali_Syed

Yes it seems so...but how long can they stand?

I think they will carry on considering they teach and talk to their children in Punajbi. The language has big potential and they (Sikh) are spreading it with rich music according to need of the time. In short, if there is a will, there is always a way :)

[the_kaur]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

I think people here are not aware of punjab politics in 70s and 80s.
Nehru never accepted any demand of the state based on religion, for him demand of punjab sooba was religious, he was a devout nationalist never beleived in such things like state, he never accepted punjabi sooba in his lifetime, Indira however was markedly different from her father, for him power always meant so when cencus in punjab was done, hindus due to insecurity mentioned their mother tongue as hindi,finally out of political considerations and calculation by Indira, Punjab was divided in haryana, himachal and sothern punjab became part of delhi. Akalis finally succeeded in their demand of seprate sooba though congress ruled punjab till the end of operation bluestar and subsequent years till 1995.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Why Punjabi is not taught in Pakistani schools?

@the_kaur

I think people here are not aware of punjab politics in 70s and 80s. Nehru never accepted any demand of the state based on religion, for him demand of punjab sooba was religious, he was a devout nationalist never beleived in such things like state, he never accepted punjabi sooba in his lifetime, Indira however was markedly different from her father, for him power always meant so when cencus in punjab was done, hindus due to insecurity mentioned their mother tongue as hindi,finally out of political considerations and calculation by Indira, Punjab was divided in haryana, himachal and sothern punjab became part of delhi. Akalis finally succeeded in their demand of seprate sooba though congress ruled punjab till the end of operation bluestar and subsequent years till 1995.

Does that mean Punjabi also suffered in India due to politics?