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can you please tell me who the pervezi kafirs are here so I dont debate with them? Thank you 
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Anyone who denys hadees and only say Quran is enough for are called Perveiz. There are few here on the forums. A guy names Gulam Ahmed Pervez is the founder of this sect, he lived about 50 years ago. They reject the hadees. They also call themselves ahl Quran.
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what is the definition of someone who denies hadeeth, ?
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What do you mean by definition?
They are not Muslims, thats for sure.
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in your view what is 'denying' of hadeeth?
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No wonder they are struck dumb when you show them the hadiths regarding finality of the prophethood!
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he came too late in the game.. the inventions of hadiths were challenged much earlier.. and he's a 'heretic' as judged by whom? the same mullahcracy he fought against? He didn't get the whole picture but at least he had a clue.. pretty advanced for his time I must admit...
again.. Shia's are just as misguided as the Sunnis.. no difference.. they too pick and choose from the Sahihs what pleases them and reject the rest..
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We should be only be rejecting hadiths that contradict Quran.
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we don't need to know the Prophet's life more than what we have in the Qur'an..
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IF we don't need Prophet's life as an example, why send prophets?
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if God wanted people to 'follow' (as in blindly copy the acts of his prophets) why bother sending down huge books and attempting to preserve them?
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Blindly? You obviously have no idea about kind of research that went into Bukhari and Muslim hadith books and HOW they were compiled.
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doesn't matter.. he was bound by his environment, circumstances and time.. we live in ours.. it's not 7th century Arabia anymore.. Islam is a universal religion.. the code is right there in the Qur'an.. the Prophet followed it in his own time according to his own circumstances.. we are supposed to live in our own time.. the PRIMARY reason for the decline of Muslims civilization is this blind reliance on hadith for jurisprudence and elevating it above the Qur'an trying to impose it as a solution to modern issues.
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It does matter. No body is asking you to ride camels and horses, obviously or fight with swords and spears. No body elevated Hadith above quran, that is a blatant lie told to support that somehow following hadith/way of the prophet is the reason we are lacking dignity. The main reason for decline is the rise of heretic beliefs and so called "islamic" religions after the demise of the Prophet that focus on rotting Muslim society from within. The blind following is when you follow fake prophets, fake peers and fake saints with fake books who were foretold by the prophet in same hadith books that some people are denying today.
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that's not how hadiths are evaluated... because according to your own arguments.. 'hadiths define the Qur'an'.. how can an explanation be measured against what it's explaining? You can always twist and contort and do logical somersaults and arrive at lame excuses upholding what's said in hadiths as the real 'meaning' of what's in the Qur'an.. that's what fundamentally wrong about this whole premise..
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IF we don't need Prophet's life as an example, why send prophets?
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duh! to deliver the message
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Blindly? You obviously have no idea about kind of research that went into Bukhari and Muslim hadith books and HOW they were compiled.
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actually I say that AFTER going through the kind of 'research' that was employed to arrive at classifying hadiths..
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No body elevated Hadith above quran, that is a blatant lie
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that's just hogwash.. what do u call a statement like 'hadith explains Qur'an'? is not putting the hadith over the Qur'an? how about the Shariah where hadith is imposed on decisions already made clear in the Qur'an.. is that not putting it above it?
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The main reason for decline is the rise of heretic beliefs.
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what percentage of muslims today r sectarians believing in hadiths vs those following Qur'an alone?
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Rejecting authentic hadees or hadees on which Ummah agreed.
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Where did I say "hadiths define quran" ?
No body is comparing hadiths with quran. Its the only documented *knowledge *we have into lives and affairs of the Prophet and his companions.
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duh! to deliver the message
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But, isn't that the purpose of the book according to your premise? An Angel could have delivered *the *message as well. WHY send a human to humans? Then don't preserve his actions but leave the book revealed on to him... the last most important prophet in history and his actions, his daily life not preserved. What does it mean when Allah says OBEY the messenger in QURAN?
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actually I say that AFTER going through the kind of 'research' that was employed to arrive at classifying hadiths..
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And what was that research?
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that's just hogwash.. what do u call a statement like 'hadith explains Qur'an'? is not putting the hadith over the Qur'an? how about the Shariah where hadith is imposed on decisions already made clear in the Qur'an.. is that not putting it above it?
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Such as... ?
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what percentage of muslims today r sectarians believing in hadiths vs those following Qur'an alone?
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Hadiths/Sunnah doesn't prompte sectarianism. The very people who are in the middle of the sectarian orgy are telling us how hadiths (which btw, denounce and speak against sectarianism) promote sectarianism yet their creed which is the biggest fitna to hit Islam walks free of the charge!
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In the Quran it is mentioned numerous times, āObey Allah and obey the Messengerā¦ā
It is mentioned many many timesā¦
What is the difference between obeying Allah :swt: and obeying the Messenger :saw:?
If Quran was the only criteria for Muslims to follow then āObey Allahā¦ā would have sufficed, then in what context should we take āObey the Messengerā¦ā?
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Rejectors of hadees are actually rejectors of the Quran. And people who follow hadees are actually following both Quran and hadees.
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khanbabax, would love to see you go into some detail and explain what you mean?
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http://ccminc.faithweb.com/iqra/articles/authsun/index.html
Just read this, its in great detail.
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does the agreement of ummah on a hdaeeth make it godās word?
also how can one be sure that a hadeeth is authentic?
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Quran says Prophet s.a.w doesnt speak but its from Allah. Just click on the link I have posted above if you want to learn.
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How are you sure that what you read in history books is authentic?
What about Quran? How do you know its authentic? Just because it mentions IN THE quran that it canāt be changed, etc. is enough for you to believe it, correct? 
Butā¦butt..bu, we know its authetic, its real!
Says who?
Who said follow quran? Prophet Mohammad? Where>? History 101?
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Good point, same people who passed the Quran to us also passed Hadees to us.
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so the hadeeth that were rejected and kept out of hadeeth compilations should have never been tossed out?
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Jaan Leva nay farmaya
How are you sure that what you read in history books is authentic?
I am not sure of that either, it gets tainted by the perspectives of those who narrate it and as time passes and other ppl add their own two bits to it
**What about Quran? How do you know its authentic? Just because it mentions IN THE quran that it canāt be changed, etc. is enough for you to believe it, correct? **
yeah Godās statement that he would protect it is pretty good for me. additionally w
Butā¦butt..bu, we know its authetic, its real!
it is, in addition it was memorized by people during the life of the prophet, it was written down during the life of the people, it was compiled later but in a time period when many of the sahabas were still around. No such luck with the hadeeth which has chain of narrators that extend quite a bit in numbers.
If you speak with quranic scholars you may also know that just with the balance built in with the numbers of verses and usage of words, if something is changed it will throw the whole thing out of whack and someone would know that a change has been introduced.
Says who?
God. Allah said he would protect the quran. I dont recall reading the same about hadeeth.
Who said follow quran? Prophet Mohammad? Where>? History 101?
and thus you have proven that every hadeeth is as authentic as the next one? what..pray tell would then explain that hadeeth are labelled as weak and many were tossed out
after all by your view hadeeth are as good as quran.
are there weak surahs in quran? surahs that we are not really sure are right but we keep in there because we are not sure if they are completely false?
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Incorrect, the time difference in when hadeeth was compiled versus when quran was compiled is very diff, ppl involved are diff. who was around during prophets time who was there when the hadeeth books were completed?
yes hadeeth may be attributed to many of the same ppl who were among those who were involved in the compilation of quran, but they did not directly contribute to the hadeeth compilations.