Re: Why Pashtuns should accept Pakistan?
These are all jaahil Afghans who come here to carry out their frustrations.
I have tons and tons of Pakhtun friends, the nicest and most loyal folks you'd meet. Went to school with 'em and still in touch. It's indeed a few Afghans and some tamils who're busy posting away their frustrations here :)
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I don’t care what Farsi/persian name for Pashtuns is. When i say Afghans, i mean people of Afghanistan and that includes Pashtuns/Tajiks/Uzbuks etc etc
If Pasthtuns = Afghanis then what would you call non-Pastun Afghanis???
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In Toronto, most of the "Pathans" don't consider themselves as Pakistanis. Though they consider themselves as Afghanis. I don't know why. They lived in Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore, but still they are Afghani. Well, no culture is better than another. All are same. Today as I am seeing Afghanis are not supporting Pakistanis, instead they are making gangs. I am not naming to all Afghanis offcourse. But majority of them I have seen are violent ones. I have seen they have no life, except violence. My high school has the like 30% population of Afghanis and I haven't seen any mature Afghanis in my school except 3 of them. Mature Pathans are who call themselves as Pakistanis that never lived in Afghanistan.
I apoligize to post this; this is not actually against Pathans. All of the cultures have bad problems including Punjabis, Sindhis and Bolochis. We are not naming to all cultures. A good person has nothing to do with his/her culture or religion. I hope nobody glares at my post. I just stated a FACT!
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If Afghan=Pashtun, then what are Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras doing in Afghanistan? Are they not Afghani?
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Sure they are. They are just different races.
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Nothing against Pathans- they are nice people just like normal Pakistanis. As Stalker pointed out, there are some selected Afghans and (maye 100%)Tamils who don't like Pakistan.. It suffices to say we are sandwitched between two hostile neighbors- Afghanis to the west and Tamilians to the east. I met a Pakistani Pathan thru my gora friend .recently here and hugged him.. he was cold and told me that we are holding Afghanistan's rightful land- NWFP and should return them or Afghanis will take back from us wheneve they wanted.. I was shocked.
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You've hit the nail on the head. Just one face of it is that millions of Afghans have used and abused Pakistan and Pakistani passport, with the result that a lot of the gulf countries had to resort to extreme measures to block the influx of these folks who were using our passports to smuggle drugs, alcohol and in general everything illegal into their countries. They've LIVED, WORKED and THRIVED in Pakistan and yet all we get back is HATE, KLASHINAKOV CULTURE, DRUGS and CRIME. Like you mentioned, practically all of them used Pakistan as a springboard to get to foreign countries like Canada, UK etc. yet they'll be eternally thankless. Parts of Karachi have been turned into lawless slums thanks to these people.
However, this is absolutely unlike the Pathans who live in Pakistan [again, like you said] and I've found these people to be generally great. Be that as co-workers, students, employess etc. I've never encountered any problem witih these people. Fine they speak Pushto, but then so do the Punjabis speak their own language in Lahore. I guess nations DO create differences with respect to loyalty, respect for law and the general attitude within a race, as has happened in the Pathans. I'm sure they're happy that Peshawar is NOT another Kabul, with your next door neighbour being a warlord or a kin of some!
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Wait till the NATO led coalation forces get out of Rocketistan. Then it's going to be one warlord on another's a$$, like its been for the last hundreds of years. And NWFP dreams will remain just that - dreams.
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The only way to live in peaceis afghans realize thatthe Durrand line is permanent...
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I guess if they leave the gates open for them, allowing them to come in and out to the country without a visa. Every one is an opportunist, like the amount of pakis’s that went overseas on “clean papers”. BTW, Im a paki and no Im not craping my country.
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I guess we have to determine why they have given them place in the inital stages don’t we. The bad mouthing problem is a two way thing and we all know who are the biggest namak haraams in Pakistan.
Is Paki government taking resposibility for creating the Talibans and then slughtering them or the initial partitioning in the mujahideen’s times creating Gulbadeen along with 6 other groups or the usage or afghans in Kashmir till this day. Realistically, who is resposible for the destruction??? Certainly surprises me, I hardly think your everyday farmer is capable of kind of destruction.
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As it should be.
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so now pashtuns have become tamils for white desis? ok lets see i will post my picture and you post you'rs will see who is the real tamil here, will be much better if we can view our cams here..what do you think?
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you are right the only way to live in peace is set the durand line across the attock river and get rid of namak haram pathans once and for all..what do you think?
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Orakzayae, good question! My answer to this will be:
"As Pashtun Land extending over some 5,000,00 Square Kilometers lies at the confluence of many important regions e.g. Central Asia, South Asia, Middle East, and the Sinic World. Besides, many important trade routes, joining these regions, pass through Pashtun Land. Pashtun Land is also in proximity with energy-rich Caspian basin and the Middle East. It is at a short distance from Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf. Most importantly, it is located in a region that is home to a number of global and regional powers and key players in world politics with hegemonic ambitions e.g. India, Russia, China, Iran, etc.
Any South Asian power wanting strong defences or access to Central Asian energy-riches must influence scheme of things on Pashtun Land. Any northern or north-eastern power wanting active influence in Central Asia or active access to Indian Ocean or energy-rich Middle East must guard or push its way through Pashtun Land.
All this has transformed our land into a virtual war-zone more pronouncedly for the last two centuries, where foreign powers are waging their proxy wars. This has adversely affected the lives and development of Pashtuns directly or indirectly depending on which administrative units do they inhabit. Their society is socially and politically fragmented and economy crippled.
There is a need for unity! Why?
Because if Pashtuns were unified there would've been a unified/central Pashtun leadership that would have pleaded Pashtun case and safegaurded Pashtuns interests. They most probably would've ensured that there is peace on Pashtun Land.
There are other reasons as well; Pashtuns would have been more prosperous because they would have had control over their resources and potentials e.g. ultra-strategic location, hydroelectric power generating potential, tourism potential, land development potential, minerals, forests, trade routes, water resources, etc. Pashtun Land is also in proximity to Caspian Basin and Iran and provides routes for transporting oil and gas from these regions to Indian Ocean, Hindustan, or China. Pashtun Culture and Language would have flourished. One further reason is, there is more Pashtun population to the East of Durand but more land to the west of the Durand divide for the demographies to distribute. Also Pashtuns wouldn't have the "White Elephant" to feed and would be concerned with peace and human development only. There would most likely have been free trade.
Foremost Pakistan has little capacity to change from a Ranjit Singhi state-model to a genuine federation.
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That is not true.
Sardar Ji General Zia-ul-Haq Singh, the Amirul-Momineen of the Punjab and the most perfect embodiment of a *******ized religiousity history has seen ever, had said Pakistan has every right to have a friendly government in Kabul. And this view has been persistently retained by whoever followed him.
There can only be peace in the region only and only if there is a de-nuclearized and de-militarized Punjab and if its Ranjit Singhi expansionist ambitions are shelved.
It is Punjab that wants to settle Kashmir issue and Durand Line through peaceful means haan? Who initiated the 4 wars with India? And who pursued "strategic depth" to make Afghanistan a 5th province and conquer Central Asia by exporting Jehad and Pan-Islamism?
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....and then you woke up
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Well, I'm from there too (if you really are), and I disagree with you. Pakistan was formed part by Pathans/Pashtuns, the Muslim League was, so Pathans/Pashtuns are an integral part of Pakistan, and is a homeland as well as Afghanistan.
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You seem to be too much on "Mutalia Pakistan" the divide knowledge revealed to Hadhrat Allama Iqbal and the holy scripture of Pakistani brand Islam and Pakistan ideology...
Pashtuns waged their own war of independence. Muslim League, also called Motor League because of its domination by British allied fudals, Sirs, Nawabs, etc., had little following there.
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are you a "PATHAN" or a "Pashtun"?