Why Pakistani people have not taken to the streets?

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you want stats. well lets see hmm
Roti Rs 3-4 used to be Rs 1 back in civilian days
Veggies Rs 40-60/kg used to be under Rs 5 or 10
Atta & sugar etc. etc. are usually out of stock.
Salaries: just the regular salary raise - nothing special to match the high prices.
Purchasing power: you'll see for yourself whenever you visit PK.

i didn't really criticize you guys.

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govt & its supporters must leave the LaLa land now.

I just came to know that students tried to protest inside the LUMS and police caught them....
this is just one tiny example.

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As if you have understood everything else esp regarding Mushy :rotfl:

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Here is one of several reasons people are afraid to come out in the streets to protest. They dont want to be terrorized by their fellow countrymen a.k.a Tullay.

Also repoted by The News here:

Such tactics are very effective to crush any opposition and protests.

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avg salary, purchasing power, aur poverty rate ki information mangi thi. not atay daal ka bhao.
and my parents live in Pakistan, so I get info from them about conditions.

I did not take it as criticism, i took it as misrepresentation, because you are giving it a meaning that is not true.

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5Abi but that does not show wahy overseas Pakistanis are sitting around. as i said someoeni knew was at the London rally and came back rather weirded out that after such a big event and in acity with such a large Pakistani expat population only a bus full of ppl show up..

The chicago rally ...if you could call it that, could fit into a mionivan, thats how bad that was.

I am not arguing that ppl are happy, but that they are either lazy or not motivated or not organized

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Why would People come out on the streets, for corrupt Nazaz Sharif or Benazir or Mullahs. Why are only lawyers on the street? Because they consider Iftikhar Chaudhry as their hero (whether he is hero or not, thats a separate question). they consider Mr. Iftikhar as somebody who stood against the whole Government Machinery. That is the reason that only the lawyers are on the street.

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my understanding was that there were political party flags at the lawyer rallies..is that not correct?

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Rebel X, i have also not heard of any such rallies taking place in LA either. Maybe someone is planning one soon. There is a reason why people have left for UK and US and unless someone has family members affected by this in Pakistan or some other interest still in Pak, why would they still come out and protest? And protest where? Consulate offices, High Commission, Embassy? White House? Will it make a difference? People living here are not directly affected by martial law in Pakistan. They have their own priorties. And above all they dont want to be seen as anti-Mush. Being anti-Mush will also mean anti-Bush. Cos as we know Mush and Bush are in .. yeah you get it. You could also be right, maybe they are less organized, lazy and not motivated at all.

But lets focus on protests inside pakistan because at the end of the day its the people inside Paksitan that are directly being affected by this and have to suffer the consequences.

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First of all, let me tell you that I am in no way favour of Mushraf's Emergency rule. But your post is one of the most funny, I have read in quite a while. If you think that all the 'mehangai' is only because of Musharaf's rule, then you are living in a fool's paradise. I can bet you that economic situation would have been the same or maybe even worse, If Nawaz or Benazir would have been sitting on the chair.

I would request to find Newspapers from 20 years back, 15 years back, 10 years back and from now. You would find the same headlines. 'Mehnagai ne Ghareeb ka jeena do bhar kar diya'. 'Tamater ke keematon ko Aag lag gai', 'Ghaust ghareeb ki pohanch se Baher' etc. etc.

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valid points.
err no really I am serious :)

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Brother, what days you are talking about when roti was Rs 1 and vegi Rs 5 to Rs 10 per Kg? Are you trying to remembers Zia time or of 1999?

As for I know, roti in 1999 was Rs 2 that today is around Rs 3 to Rs 4 and average price of vegitables were around Rs 20 a Kg in 1999.

Now, as for salary rises, it has not gone up a little but has gone up substantially. Minimum wage that was around Rs 1200 a month in government job has gone to Rs 4600 a month.

Chief Justice salary that is well published has increased from Rs 5200 in 1972 to Rs 20000 in 1998 (in uneven ways). Though Nawaz after sacking Sajjad Ali Shah and appointing Ajmal Miah raised the salary to Rs 40000 as bribe, it was expected that from than on, salary would not increase much, but today CJ salary is Rs 134000 a month.

But than CJ salary is not abnormally increased. Same has happened to the salary of most judges, rather most government servants salary.

You are in government service. Be sincere for a while and bring the salary scale of government servants in different era. For instance, government pay scales in 1988, than 1999 and than today in 2007. Let see how things have changed in salary front.

If you want to and it would be to difficult to quote complete salary scale of different grades (from 1 to 21), we can just take two salary scale, the Basic starting salary of grade 1 during different years (88, 99 and 07) and Basic salary of grade 17 (starting salary for graduates) during different years. Let see what you can bring out (with sincerity and truth).

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You kept record until salary became 40,000 which was "a bribe" jump, what about salary increase from 40,000 to 134,000???

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Brother, be constructive and true in discussions. If you can really do anything, find the pay scale of government grades at the time of Zia death (1998), at the time of Musharraf came to power (1999) and today. That would show that you are constructive in discussion. Than we can really see how the pay varied during different periods.

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Increase from 20000 to 40000,\ that is, 20000 rise is bribe? I think aunty' shamim's girls take more for one night than this.

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so you are saying you are clueless about salary jump from 40,000 to 134,000.

BTW: Which Zia died in 1998?

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Or maybe they also don't like the dicredited alternatives like BB, Nawaz, MMA and all that?

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My mistake ... I mean Zia-ul-Haq. Zia died in 1988, sorry, I typed that wrongly. :)

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Didn't know that some guppies count Auntie Shamim's money. Is she outsourcing her BPO these days? :)

Sorry couldn't help commenting on this weird example of icono!

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I am not clueless of CJ salary jumps.

Salary of CJ was Rs 5500 in 1973 (dollar was Rs 9.90 in open market) and that means CJ in 1973 was getting $555 a month. [No pay rise to CJ by Bhutto]

In 1988 (when Zia died) CJ salary was Rs 7900 a month (dollar in open market was Rs 18) and that means CJ salary in 1988 was $ 440 a month. [Zia ruled 11 years and gave TWO pay rises to CJ (1981 and 1985)]

In 1998 CJ salary was Rs 20250 a month (dollar in open market was Rs 46) and that means CJ salary in 1998 was $ 440 a month. [CJ got THREE pay rises after the death of Zia (twice in 1991, and once in 1994) and appointment of Ajmal Miah as CJ in 1998]

In 1999 CJ salary was raised to around Rs 43000 a month (dollar in open market was Rs 54) and that means CJ salary in 1999 was $ 795 a month. [Above increase is considered by many as bribe to Judges. It was Fourth increase in 11 years after death of Zia]

In 2007 CJ salary is Rs 133250 a month (dollar in open market was Rs 60.90) and that means CJ salary in 2007 is $ 2190 a month. [Since 1999, CJ and other judges … well, all government servants … are getting pay rise regularly].

[And yea, be assured, I will never quote inaccurate figures intentionally. I have never tried to spread lies in my life :)]

Here is reference to Judges pay I quoted above (only thing is that I also quoted that in dollars after converting rupees into prevailing dollar rate of the time):

http://www.dawn.com/2007/08/04/top5.htm

Superior court judges get 25pc raise: President issues order
By Iftikhar A. Khan

ISLAMABAD, Aug 3: President General Pervez Musharraf on Friday increased the salary of judges of superior courts by 25 per cent. The president’s order shall be deemed to have taken effect from July 1, 2007.

The salary of the Chief Justice of Pakistan has been increased to Rs133,250 per month and of other judges of the apex court to Rs125,875 per month.

The salary of the Chief Justice of a high court has been raised from Rs85,900 to Rs123,500 and of other high court judges from Rs82,600 to Rs118,750 per month.

Last year judges of the superior courts got a 15 per cent raise.

In 2005, the salary of the Chief Justice had been fixed at Rs92,700 per month and of judges of the Supreme Court at Rs87,600. The Chief Justice of a high court was entitled to a salary of Rs85,900 and other judges were drawing Rs82,600 per month.

Apart from the salary, a judge of the Supreme Court is entitled to free residence, utility bills, an officially maintained car, a cook, a driver and a guard at his residence.

After retirement, a judge of the superior court is entitled to pension equivalent to 70 per cent of his salary in addition to 200 litres of petrol, 1,000 local phone calls, 1,000 electricity units, 12,000 cubic feet of gas and water charges. A retiring judge is also entitled to a car on depreciated value and a driver and a cook or an orderly at government expenses till the time of his death. The widow of a retired judge will get 50 per cent of the pension and after the widow’s death, sons of the judge who are less than 21 years of age will continue to draw the same amount. Unmarried daughters of a deceased judge will get the pension till their marriage.

The salary of the Chief Justice of Pakistan has progressively increased from Rs5,500 fixed in 1973. The first increase of Rs1,000 was made in 1981. Through a constitutional amendment order issued by General Ziaul Haq in 1985 the salary was increased to Rs7,900 with retrospective effect from July 1, 1983. The salary of the Chief justice was twice increased in 1991. It was first raised to Rs9,900 and then to Rs15,000. It was increased to Rs20,250 in 1994.

In 1995, the salaries of the judges of the Supreme Court were raised but the salary of the Chief Justice was not enhanced.

The Chief Justice’s salary was increased to Rs43,000 in 1998 and to Rs55,000 in 2002 effective from December 1, 2001.

The salary of the judges of the Supreme Court was fixed in 1973 at Rs5100, Chief Justices of the High Court at Rs5,000 and judges of the High Courts at Rs4,000.

Commenting on the raise, Supreme Court Bar Association President Munir A. Malik said it was not a favour. He said the government would fail to influence the judiciary by increasing salaries of the judges. “We have a new Supreme Court now,” he said.