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Reza sahib, isn’t this what all our rulers seek too: power without responsibility/accountability?
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Hahaha. However, This was also true of some of previous Pakistani leaders that attacked the spureme court and did not allow free judiciary and other insititutions. One even killed opposition member for which he was hanged. 
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Musharaf is really that condi-whipped? I hope he had a satisfying explanation to the boss lady on not only emergency but also for missing jirga. Wonder if he had the peanuts to ask her why Bush punted on the question of attacking pakistan!May be pakistan should just become US territory - atleast people will get unemployment and social security. Instead of these daily shame and subservience
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Musharaf is really that condi-whipped? I hope he had a satisfying explanation to the boss lady on not only emergency but also for missing jirga. Wonder if he had the peanuts to ask her why Bush punted on the question of attacking pakistan!May be pakistan should just become US territory - atleast people will get unemployment and social security. Instead of these daily shame and subservience
JB's and this post is a prime example of Pakistani analysts who obviously have no self-respect. Talking about our own country our place of living in a derogatory way is a sure sign of deeply embedded self hatred. Even animals take care of their homes in a better way.
Too bad, Pakistan has too many of these self styled journalists.
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JB's and this post is a prime example of Pakistani analysts who obviously have no self-respect. Talking about our own country our place of living in a derogatory way is a sure sign of deeply embedded self hatred. Even animals take care of their homes in a better way.
Too bad, Pakistan has too many of these self styled journalists.
Musharraf bought lots of respect of Pakistan through his book, yeah some leader he is... one phone call.
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Musharraf bought lots of respect of Pakistan through his book, yeah some leader he is... one phone call.
**as much as I hate musharaf, I still admire him For mentioning in his book that
"We first planed to fighting USA after they threat to bomb Pakistan(right after 9/11)"
I mean for few mins I felt like I belong to country which has some serious back bone**
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^ 
okay, if that makes you feel better, just curious… all those plans went down the drain with one phone call?
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Blame the media. Interesting 
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Our company have some major interests in Pakistan so i called up to some mover & Shakers asking them about this rumour, they themselves were not sure what to say, and the concluded saying, it is normal, even Nawaz Shareef Implemented Emergency and all that kind of stuff, when i pushed for some solid statement, they said things will be clear by Friday night.
So yes there was a fire which resulted in a smoke, but as it was tracked earlier, maybe they decided to put down the fire
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lolzzzzzz remember bunker busters??
Any ways It was fun to watch musharaf on john Stewart show. And even there he said that.
John was surprised too.
Trust me brother I felt good. some one in America telling Americans that “we want(ed) to put up with you”
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:k:
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I sometime wish Pakistan had made the stupid mistake and decided to take on the US, as many people would have been satisfied with seeing Pakistan reduced to rubble. It’s very well for them to criticize the leadership and be all gung-ho from the comfort of their armchair, without understanding the reality of the situation.
Oh, before anyone says Pakistan is a nuclear power, well let me tell these so called educated people, nuclear power with economic power is nothing. How many people has North Korea fed with no-dong or nuclear weapons? How well off were Russians before glasnost and perestroika?
Maybe, some of these so called middle-class Pakistanis, do want another humiliation ala '71 just to satisfy their ego’s and hate for a person that has saved Pakistan from the biggest disaster that was facing that country.
God Bless Pakistan leadership for showing strength of mind and backbone to say NO when most needed. God Bless USA for honouring their promise and help Pakistan move away from sham democracy of past and ‘gradually’ move towards a sustainable democratic set-up so that uneducated (and many educated) and Jihadi mentality people can gain benefit from.
Pakistan Zindabad 
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:k: That is one of the best and rational posts I have ever seen on GS for a long time. God bless you Aalsi for honestly stating the great challenges we face, and how we can/should realistically deal with them, without needlessly pandering to every jahil and jihadi who comes along with their unrealistic demands. :k:
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I am not sure who your intended ‘target’ is here, but let me tell you that even if Jamali, Moin, Jatoi, BB, Ganja were in power they would’ve done the very same thing (I’m not talking about Qazi/Fazal here, but they had no chance of becoming PM anyway) i.e. “assisting” out US.
As for your ‘thanking’ US for helping Pakistan move away from sham democracy… well what democracy do we have currently? What steps has Mushy taken to ensure a sustainable democracy? Just making claims doesn’t cut it, he couldn’t stand his own grounds and shunned accountability of corrupt politicians, a guy who shuns accountability CANNOT provide grounds for sustainable democracy… you need to come out of lala land.
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Antibol - why do you say journalists or people who are disgusted with how pakistan has been subservient under musharaf do not have self respect? Isn't it quite the opposite?Or are you one of those people who think british should never have left? That way your slave status will be official and I bet you'll be proud of that kind of self respect.Armitage comes and openly yells at pakistan in pakistanCheney comes and doesn't even make it a diplomatic trip - announces to press he was here to tell musharaf what to doCondi calls and takes musharaf to taskBush doesn't even refute when asked about attacking in pakistanObama says he'll do just thatTankredo says bomb meccaThat's just a quick reference so that you can thump your chest with overflowing self respect musharaf has earned for you.
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........ how pakistan has been subservient under musharaf do not have self respect......
Your ishtyle puts you in the league of eminent show-shaw-lists (socialists) bhonpoos aka Chavez of Venezuela, bey-Nejat of Iran, and Kim-Kim of N. Korea.
That's fine if you want Pakistan to be a pariah state. Otherwise look around (i.e. after opening eyes a little), and the whole world from China, to South Korea, to Malaysia, to Australia to India everyone is "subservient" to America.
I guess show-shaw-list reshpect is uniquely linked to abject poverty and tinpot leaders like now fully-castrated Castro.
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Pakistani media again showed its immaturity. Once again we saw that media is loyal to certain politics, money or hype. This took a new turn yesterday when President with his government was talking about situation in Pakistan. If you know facts, emergency is a constitutional right so to discuss it does not mean that it will be declared the next day, stupid. Idiot, ghaday...the whole nation went to a nervous breakdown...how about do some fact check or wait...morons...wait for the official statement rather cook up stories. Just because of this KSE started 500 points down.
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Those who are blaming Pakistani media here for reporting a story are out of touch with reality. Here is an article from NY Times. The only reason Mushrraf backed out b/c Condi called him at 2am and told him to behave…
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/10/world/asia/10pakistan.html?ref=world
Facing a Furor, Pakistan Rejects Emergency Rule
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By CARLOTTA GALL and SALMAN MASOOD
Published: August 10, 2007
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Aug. 9 — Pakistan’s president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, was on the brink of declaring a state of emergency in his increasingly volatile country but backed away after a gathering storm of media, political and diplomatic pressure, Pakistani officials acknowledged on Thursday.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice telephoned General Musharraf about 2 a.m. Thursday in Pakistan, the State Department spokesman, Sean McCormack, said. Bush administration officials refused to discuss in public what was said, but one Pakistani official said that Ms. Rice exhorted General Musharraf not to declare emergency rule. The conversation lasted about 15 minutes.
“She thought it was an opportune moment to talk about a couple of things,” Mr. McCormack said without elaborating.
By the time of the conversation, Pakistan’s minister of state for information and broadcasting, Tariq Azim Khan, had said that General Musharraf was not ruling out declaring an emergency, which would give him sweeping powers to restrict freedom of movement and assembly, to suspend Parliament and to curtail the activities of the courts.
Such a step, officials in Washington fear, would further inflame the region and open the Bush administration to additional criticism from democracy advocates who say it has already been too willing to turn a blind eye toward General Musharraf’s failure to restore civilian rule.
In Pakistan, opponents of emergency rule, including some inside the government, warned that it would push the country into a deeper crisis, as the opposition parties, the judiciary, lawyers and civil society would react strongly against it.
“I fear the whole system will collapse and the country will plunge into a period of turmoil,” said one minister, warning of moves to impose emergency rule.
In his remarks on Wednesday, Mr. Khan cited both “external and internal threats” to the government, including the worsening security situation in the country’s tribal areas, where Al Qaeda and many Taliban militants are based.
Other Pakistani officials suggested privately, however, that it was less the security situation driving the plan for an emergency than General Musharraf’s own political concerns as he tried to have himself re-elected to another term.
Earlier this week, General Musharraf told political supporters in Karachi that he would stand for re-election by the national and provincial assemblies as early as Sept. 15. But the public mood has soured on the general since he tried to dismiss the country’s chief justice five months ago. That move set off nationwide protests and was later overturned by the Supreme Court.
Opposition parties now seem poised to use the court to bring constitutional challenges against General Musharraf’s continued rule, particularly his decision to hold dual positions as president and army chief of staff.
Amid such political uncertainty, some of General Musharraf’s supporters had urged him to take greater control in the form of extraordinary powers.
As early as last week, close aides to the general and intelligence officials started hinting at the possibility of a “drastic step” — a euphemism for emergency rule — which has been instituted six or so times in Pakistan’s 60 years of independence. Some suggested that General Musharraf was increasingly finding himself in a dead end.
“The president is left with no other option than to clamp down emergency or a martial law to try to extend his stay in power,” an intelligence official said on condition of anonymity early this week. “It is only a matter of days.”
On Wednesday, General Musharraf canceled a long-planned trip to Kabul to serve as a co-chair of a three-day assembly of tribal elders and political leaders with Afghanistan’s president, Hamid Karzai. The news fueled speculation that an emergency decree was imminent.
He instead stayed home to conduct a high-level meeting of his close military and political aides on Thursday morning. Later in the day, Muhammad Ali Durrani, the federal minister of information, issued a categorical denial that an emergency was being imposed.
“There were so many people recommending the imposition of emergency,” Mr. Durrani told the local television channel Dawn News, “but the prescience of the president was that he decided not to impose emergency in Pakistan.” He also said that the general had not signed any document to declare emergency in the country.
Some of the first reports to emerge about the possibility of an emergency were reported to have come from Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, the leader of the governing party, the Pakistani Muslim League, which backs General Musharraf.
Mr. Hussain had floated the possibility often in the last year as a way to postpone parliamentary elections and retain the current government, opposition politicians said. On Wednesday, he was reported to have announced that a decree was coming while he was addressing the women’s chapter of his party at a dinner. But on Thursday, he dismissed the report as irresponsible and said there was “no possibility of an emergency.”
The secretary general of the party, Mushahid Hussain Sayed, also batted away the suggestion. “This talk of emergency does not make any sense,” Mr. Sayed, a former journalist, said. “Anybody who is advising the president for a state of emergency is not a friend of the president, and is not a friend of Pakistan, because this would be counterproductive, this would be damaging and there is no danger and no possibility of any emergency.”
General Musharraf’s decision to back off on imposing an emergency came after intensifying pressures from different sides, apparently including American officials who have been some of his most important backers.
Since the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Washington has provided General Musharraf’s administration with about $1 billion annually in return for his promised cooperation in fighting Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
That alliance has not been popular in Pakistan, where there is the growing sense that the Bush administration has been blindly supporting General Musharraf even as his popularity fades.
While Bush administration officials have taken pains not to appear as if they are dictating terms to General Musharraf, and continue to endorse him publicly, they privately have expressed concern over the general’s worsening political crises.
“My focus in terms of the domestic scene there is that he have a free and fair election,” President Bush said at a news conference on Thursday, “and that’s what we have been talking to him about, and I’m hopeful they will.”
The diplomatic pressure on General Musharraf appears to have been timely. “It seems that the preparation was complete for imposition of emergency, but fearing a strong public backlash, the government was forced to backtrack,” said Qamar Zaman Kaira, a member of Parliament from the opposition party of Benazir Bhutto, the Pakistan Peoples Party.
“Probably they were trying to check the pulse of the public,” he said.
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You give me one article saying U.S pressured him, I give you 10 articles saying there was no intention.
This is what all great and informed master President Bush said, I think we can take that as a fact?
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So, Condi called him at 2am to wish him good night? ummm