Why make Dua when everything is pre written??

[Mughal1]

Re: Why make Dua when everything is pre written??

@Thornewood9

@mughal I read your link and made points. Everyone else just read my summary. Do not waste your time reading this link. Rant
] Long winded explanation on language and development.
] Allah sending Qur’an in Arabic language. Arabic not fully developed language. This is false.
] need to learn from people who know about language. However scholars in Islamic knowledge are learned in Arabic language too. So your claim that scholars don’t know about Arabic language is wrong. Nouman Ali Khan is a teacher of Arabic language. He studied it and is still studying it.
] Long paragraph on language again with mistakes. Example of Makkah/bakkah is wrong. Makkah was called Bakkah in time of prophet Ibrahim AS just like Medina was Yathrib before Prophet pbuh.
] Point about Quran being written is confused. The Quran was written down during time of prophet but was only collected by Uthman RA after prophet pbuh passed away. Uthman RA sent ONE copy everywhere and this is why all Qur’an’s do not have different spelling. Also the vowel marks came when Islam spread only to help teach people how to read and speak Arabic. So you’re point is pointless. This is just history and doesn’t mean Quran is any less a miracle.
] Also Arabic during the time of prophet was a language at its peak. It was perfect because Arabs perfected it through poetry and stories etc. This was one reason why Arabs were so proud of their language. Arabic at that time was not confused or random. Again this is history.
] Nouman Ali Khan who is a student and teacher of Arabic can explain your questions about Arabic. Please refer to his videos.
] Also we have the original Quran that was distributed by Uthman RA today and it proves that Quran had not been changed. Not sure what your point is.
] You assume Arabs did not know their own language. Again you need to look at history. You are misinformed and confused.
] Prophet pbuh did not write Qur’an. He ordered others to write some ayahs down but again not sure what your point is. As for no bismillah before surah nine there are explanations for this. Refer to videos by nouman Ali khan.
] Quran is preserved by Allah. He states this Himself in Qur’an.
] What’s your point about Quran?
] You say hadith is not important. This is false the Qur’an clearly states that to follow Allah you should follow the messenger. We do this by following his sunnah aka hadith. Also prophet was known as Walking Quran. So to not follow the prophet as out role model is ridiculous. Qur’an does not give us direction on how to pray we learnt this from our prophet. In Quran Allah said we have to pray but How? This we learn from the PROPHET.
] Quran should be studied in light of its language. Yes BUT you also need to know history of surahs and ayahs. Where they were revealed, why, to who, what situation? Some surahs are makkan some madani how do you explain that? You are misinformed and confused.
] Confused story about Adam AS gathering community of humans? Qur’an clearly tells story of Adam AS and how he was created. Where did you get this other stuff from???
] So you’ve basically made up your own version of Qur’an. You don’t believe in Iblis being a real person. Shaitan is not real. Supernatural things are not real. Again you are confused and misinformed. Jinn and angels exist. Prophet Jesus AS IS fatherless. He was a miracle birth. So are you saying Maryam AS had a partner? Astaghfirullah. Quran CLEARLY states the story of Maryam and CLEARLY states that Jesus AS had NO father. Allah needs say only BE and it is. What Qur’an are you reading??? Have you even read it???
] 1400 years of scholarly wisdom cannot be put aside and we do our own interpretation. This is sheer arrogance. And stupidity.
] Your idea that miracles are non existent is wrong. Quran clearly states several miracles and Qur’an is an actual miracle itself.
] Very LONG POINTLESS post. Which wasted my time. And has no relevance to topic of dua or qadr.
] Long winded ranting disjointed and confused. Not impressed. You are misinformed. You have not backed anything up with references or even ayah. Upu gave made up your own translation of what you think Quran and Islam is. You have made up your own version of prophet stories. You are confused.
] I am fed up after reading your pointless post. You have not answered any of my questions. Waste if time.

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@Thornewood9

@mughal Just a quick reply to your zakaah statement that it was invented by mullahs. You have obviously blinded yourself with your hatred of mullahs that you are making up all kinds of nonsense. Zakat was decreed by Allah as stated in Qur’an not just to our prophet Muhammed pbuh but also the prophets who came before.

[21:73] “We made them (Abraham and his sons) imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat). To us, they were devoted worshipers.”

[2:215] “They ask you about giving: say, “The charity you give shall go to the parents, the relatives, the orphans, the poor, and the traveling alien.” Any good you do, God is fully aware thereof.”

[9:60] Charities(Sadaqaat) shall go to the poor, the needy, the workers who collect them, the new converts, to free the slaves, to those burdened by sudden expenses, in the cause of Allah, and to the traveling alien. Such is GOD’s commandment. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

[2:3] who believe in the unseen, observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), and from our provisions to them, they give to charity.

[2:43] You shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and bow down with those who bow down.

[2:83] We made a covenant with the Children of Israel: “You shall not worship except GOD. You shall honor your parents and regard the relatives, the orphans, and the poor. You shall treat the people amicably. You shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat).” But you turned away, except a few of you, and you became averse.

[2:110] You shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat). Any good you send forth on behalf of your souls, you will find it at Allah. Allah is seer of everything you do.

As you can see this is all Quran. There is proof that Prophet Ibrahim AS was commanded to zakat and so were the Jews. There is proof that we are to believe in the UNSEEN and we are obligated to do zakat. And there is proof that zakat is to go to the poor the orphans and needy. Not to mullahs. You are blinded by mullah hatred. Also teachers like Omar Suleiman Nouman Ali khan Yasir Qadhi hamza Yusuf and Saad Tasleem are not mullahcs. You need to stop focusing on the few crazy mullahs and find the true teachers of Islam. You are not allowed to make up your own version of Islam just because you think there are a few bad mullahs out there. Don’t be ridiculous.

Thank you dear thornewood for your input. You have every right to have your opinion about things just as I or anyone else. I am afraid noman ali has yet to learn things and hopefully he will because future belongs to highly learned youngsters otherwise things are going to become yet more difficult for this ummah than they already are. In my view you also have yet to learn a lot of things to reach the status of knowledge that is required by the quran for its proper understanding and I hope that you do. May be one day noman and you as well as many others will be able to see what I have written in its proper context.

God bless you with all the best.