Why Jesus Really Came To The Earth

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Any more questions? Do you see it yet?

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Peace frodo

This is what you aim to do:

1) Show how Qur'an directly and purposely contradicts the Bible
2) Show that Qur'an attempts to lead people astray
3) Show that the Bible was written first
4) Show that Bible was written by the eyewitnesses
5) Show that Bible was written through the Holy Spirit
6) As a result of the above conclude that the Qur'an is not the Word of God

First of all this line of reasoning is false dear frodo. Whether the Qur'an contradics the Bible or not you are not allowed to say I can however. The reason is because when Muslims claim that the Bible has in it many contradictions the reply given by Bible supporters is that

Humans are not in a position to discern from scripture what is and what is not contradiction. In which case you are not allowed to extend that request to the Qur'an. From my perspective I consider it highly double-faced to ignore the Biblical contradictions but only focus on the ones that the Qur'an present to you.

The one I am interested in for the time being is for you to show me how the Qur'an deliberately attempts to lead astray let's start from that shall we?

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Peace frodo

Hey ... why are you choosing to ignore the other passages of the Bible which show the conflicts?

All people have to do to see which of us is true is to simply undertake a google search for Saul of Tarsus and read up on the Incident at Antioch. I said earlier that the true companions of Jesus (AS) were involved in attempting to get Paul on the straight and narrow they stayed with him in order to influence him.

Then you have presented everything from the perspective of Paul ... even then you look at the New Testament he cannot deny all conflicts. Take a look at some of the apocrypha the ones written by the true companions and see how they make mention of their disagreements.

I'm not saying they didn't agree every now and again, but on major creed issues they disagreed.

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These folks were there, mohammad wasn't. Why do you believe mohammad over the eyewitnesses? Jesus Himself said that belief in Him is the way of salvation.

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Next, the koran contradicts the historians of Jesus's day:

Early Secular Writings Regarding Christ

TACITUS(55-117) A.D.Cornelius Tactitus is regarded as the greatest historian of ancient Rome. Writing on the reign of Nero, Tacitus alludes to the death of Christ and to the existence of Christians in Rome.
“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of on of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the word find their center and become popular.”
PLINY THE YOUNGER: **Pliny was governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor who wrote a letter to Trajan regarding how to deal with Christians who worshiped Christ. These letters concern an episode which marks the first time the Roman government acknowledged Christianity as a religion separate from Judaism, and set a precedent for the massive persecution of Christians that takes place in the second and third centuries.“They (the Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sand in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath not to any wicked deeds, not to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor to deny any trust when they should be call to deliver it up, after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food —but food of an ordinary but and innocent kind.”
**BABYLONIAN TALMUD: (Completed in the 6th Century A.D
The Babylonian Talmud is a Rabbinic commentary of the Jewish scriptures (Tanach: Old Testament). They are a look into what is a hostile source was saying about Jesus. They could not deny the miracles but claimed that it was sorcery rather than admit to what was a known fact.
On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, “He is going forth to be stoned because He has practiced sorcery (an admission of his miracles) and enticed Israel to apostasy. Any one who can say anything in his favor let him come forward and plead on his behalf. But since nothing was brought forward in his favor he was hanged on the even of the Passover.”
The Babylonian Talmud, vol. III, Sanhedrin 43a
LUCIAN: (120-180 A.D.)
a Greek satirist that spoke scornfully of Christ and Christians, affirming that they were real and historical people, never saying that they were fictional characters.
“The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day — the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account….You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property.”
Lucian, The Death of Peregrine. 11-13.
LETTER OF MARA BARSARAPION: (73 A.D.)
Mara Bar-Serapion was a Syrian who lived in the first century A.D. He wrote a letter to his son Serapion that mentions the Jews who killed their King. The letter is now in the possession of the British Museum.
“What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.”
THALLUS: (52 A.D.)
One of the first secular writers that mentioned Christ. Thallus wrote a history of the Eastern Mediterranean world from the Trojan War to his own time. Unfortunately, his writings are only found as citations by others. Julius Africanus, a Christian who wrote about AD 221 mentioned Thallus’ account of an eclipse of the sun (Luke 23:44-45).“On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.”
Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1.
PHLEGON: (1st Century)
A secular historian wrote a history named, “Chronicles.” This original work has been lost, Julius Africanus preserved a small fragment in his writings. Phlegon mentions the eclipse (Matthew 27:45) during the crucifixion of Jesus.
“During the time of Tiberius Caesar an eclipse of the sun occurred during the full moon.”Africanus, Chronography, 18:1
SUETONIUS: (69-140 A.D.)
A Roman historian and annalist of the Imperial House under the Emperor Hadrian. He refers to Christ and Christians and the “disturbances” caused by them, namely not worshipping idols and loving all, including their tormentors.
“Because the Jews at Rome caused constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus [Christ], he [Claudius] expelled them from the city [Rome].” Acts 18:2, which took place in 49 A.D.
Life of Claudius, 25:4.
In another work Suetonius wrote about the fire which devastated Rome in 64 A.D. under the reign of Nero. Nero blamed the Christians and exacted a heavy punishment upon them, among them covering them with pitch and burning them alive in his gardens.
“Nero inflicted punishment on the Christians, a sect given to a new and mischievous religious belief.”
Lives of the Caesars, 26.2
TOLEDOTH YESHU: (6 Century)
This is a derogatory version of the life of Jesus, growing out of the response of the Jewish community to Christianity. The tradition presented here is most commonly dated to approximately the 6th century CE. The text it self is closer to the 14th century.
Mentions the empty tomb and that the Jewish leaders found it empty. That Jesus was crucified on the eve of the Passover and that He claimed to be God. That Jesus performed sorcery, he healed, and that he taught Rabbis. All of this from a hostile source, with the references above it is a historical fact that Jesus did miracles. His enemies could not refute it, rather they explained it away as sorcery!
CELSUS: (2nd Century)
Criticizes the Gospels, unknowingly reinforces the authors and the content, he alludes to 80 different quotes in the Bible. Admits that the miracles of Jesus were generally believed in the 2nd century.
JULIAN THE APOSTATE: (332-363 A.D.)
Emperor of Rome mentions the Gospels, miracles and other facts about Jesus. Julian had struggled to end the power of Christians in the Roman Empire. Since the day fifty years earlier that Constantine conquered in the sign of the cross, Christian influence had steadily grown. As Julian lay dying from a mortal wound he made the following remark:
“As he bled, the dying emperor groaned, “You have conquered, O Galilean,” referring to Jesus Christ.
CLEMENT OF ROME: (100 A.D.)
Clement affirms the Resurrection, Gospels and that Jesus was sent to earth by God to take away our sins.
“Clement was the fourth bishop of Rome, the first being Peter. Did he know Peter and Paul? It is completely possible that those two Spirit-filled men taught him. Clement even wrote a letter to the Corinthian church that echoed the teachings of the apostles.”
IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH: (50-107 A.D.)
Disciple of the apostles Peter, Paul, and John, who was martyred for his faith in Jesus. He was obviously convinced that Jesus really had lived and that Jesus was all that the apostles has said He was.
“…nearness to the sword is nearness to God; to be among the wild beasts is to be in the arms of God; only let it be in the name of Jesus Christ. I endure all things that I may suffer together with him, since he who became perfect man strengthens me…We have not only to be called Christians, but to be Christians.”
While the emperor Trajan was on a visit to Asia Minor, he arrested Ignatius. When the bishop confessed his faith in Christ, the Emperor sent him in chains to Rome to die. He was hustled to the arena at once and thrown to two fierce lions who immediately devoured him.
QUADRATUS: (125 A.D.)
Bishop of Athens and a disciple of the apostles. Church historian Eusebius has preserved the only work that we have from Quadratus.
“The deeds of our Savior were always before you, for they were true miracles; those that were healed, those that were raised from the dead, who were seen, not only when healed and when raised, but were always present. They remained living a long time, not only whilst our Lord was on earth, but likewise when he had left the earth. So that some of them have also lived in our times.”
Eusebius, IV, III
EPISTLE OF BARNABAS: (130-38 A.D.)
Mentions the Resurrection, miracles, content of the Gospels and the crucifixion of Jesus.
ARISTIDES: (138-161 A.D.)
Aristides was a second-century Christian believer and philosopher from Athens. This portion of his defense of Christianity was addressed to the Roman Emperor Antonius Pius, who reigned from 138-161 A.D.
“The Son of the most high God, revealed by the Holy Spirit, descended from heaven, born of a Hebrew Virgin. His flesh he received from the Virgin, and he revealed himself in the human nature as the Son of God. In his goodness which brought the glad tidings, he has won the whole world by his life-giving preaching…He selected twelve apostles and taught the whole world by his mediatorial, light-giving truth.
And he was crucified, being pierced with nails by the Jews; and he rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. He sent the apostles into all the world and instructed all by divine miracles full of wisdom. Their preaching bears blossoms and fruits to this day, and calls the whole world to illumination.”
Carey, “Aristides,” 68.
JUSTIN MARTYR(106-167 A.D.)
Justin Martyr is regarded as one of the greatest early Christian apologists. He was born around 100 A.D and was beheaded for his faith in Jesus in 167 A.D. He mentions as facts many things about Jesus and Christianity, such as: The Magi (wise men who brought gifts from Arabia), King Herod, His crucifixion, His garments parted among the Roman soldiers, the apostles leaving him on the night of his arrest, his fulfilled prophecies, His resurrection and His ascending into heaven among many others. These quotes can be found in his debate with Trypho the Jew
HEGESIPPUS]: (2 Century)
Eusebius draws the conclusion that Hegesippus was a Jew that wrote five books called, “Memoirs.” Only fragments remain of his original work in the writings of Eusebius. They show that Hegesippus traveled extensively trying to determine if the stories of Jesus and the apostles were true. He found that they were accurate, even in the troubled church in Corinth.
“The Corinthian church continued in the true doctrine until Primus became bishop. I mixed with them on my voyage to Rome and spent several days with the Corinthians, during which we were refreshed with the true doctrine. On arrival at Rome I pieced together the succession down to Anicetus, whose deacon was Eleutherus, Anicetus being succeeded by Soter and he by Eleutherus. In every line of bishops and in every city things accord with the preaching of the Law, the Prophets, and the Lord.”
Eusebius, The History of the Church, 9.22.2.
TRAJAN: (53-117 A.D.)
Trajan is a Roman Emperor who wrote a letter [see letter] in response to the Governor of Asia Minor, Pliny the Younger. Pliny needed advice in dealing with “Christians” who renounced their belief in Jesus due to fear of torture and execution.
MACROBIUS: (4th-5th Century)
Pascal (Pensees) mentions a quote of Augustus Caesar as an evidence to the murder of the 7-20 male babies (this is based on the population of Bethlehem in 4-6 B.C., which was 700-1,000 people) by King Herod in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:16).
King Herod heard that a king was to be born and his fear and mental instability caused him to kill these male children under two years of age. King Herod killed his Wife, mother in law, and three sons. This is in character with his life of murder and paranoia. King Herod’s reign was described by his enemies as, “He stole to the throne like a fox, ruled like a tiger, and died like a dog.”
Saturnalia, lib. 2, ch.4.
HADRIAN: (106-167 A.D.)
ustin Martyr quotes this Roman Emperor’s letter to Minucius Fundanus, proconsul of Asia Minor. This letter deals with accusations from pagans against the Christians.“I have received the letter addressed to me by your predecessor Serenius Granianus, a most illustrious man; and this communication I am unwilling to pass over in silence, lest innocent persons be disturbed, and occasion be given to the informers for practicing villainy. Accordingly, if the inhabitants of your province will so far sustain this petition of theirs as to accuse the Christians in some court of law, I do not prohibit them from doing so.
But I will not suffer them to make use of mere entreaties and outcries. For it is far more just, if any one desires to make an accusation, that you give judgment upon it. If, therefore, any one makes the accusation, and furnishes proof that the said men do anything contrary to the laws, you shall adjudge punishments in proportion to the offences. And this, by Hercules; you shall give special heed to, that if any man shall, through mere calumny, bring an accusation against any of these persons, you shall award to him more severe punishments in proportion to his wickedness.”
Justin Martyr, The First Apology, Chapters, 68-69.JUVENAL: (55 AD-127 AD)
Juvenal makes a reference of the tortures of Christians by Nero in Rome.
“But just describe Tigellinus and you will blaze amid those faggots in which men, with their throats tightly gripped, stand and burn and smoke, and you trace a broad furrow through the middle of the arena.”
Satires, 1, lines 147-157.SENECA: (3 B.C.-65 A.D.)
Seneca mentions the cruelties that Nero imposes upon Christians.
“The other kind of evil comes, so to speak, in the form of a huge parade. Surrounding it is a retinue of swords and fire and chains and a mob of beasts to be let loose upon the disemboweled entrails of men. Picture to yourself under his head the prison, the cross, the rack, the hook, and the stake which they drive straight through a man until it protrudes from his throat. Think of human limbs torn apart by chariots driven in opposite directions, of the terrible shirt smeared and interwoven with inflammable materials, and of all the other contrivances devised by cruelty, in addition to those which I have mentioned!”
Epistulae Morales, Epistle 14, “On the Reasons for Withdrawing from the World.”
HIEROCLES: (AD 284-305)
A quote by Eusebius preserves some of the text of this lost work of Hierocles, Philalethes or Lover of Truth. In this quote, Hierocles condemns Peter and Paul as sorcerers. Again, their miracles could not be denied, rather they claimed that they used sorcery.
“And this point is also worth noticing, that whereas the tales of Jesus have been vamped up by Peter and Paul and a few others of the kind,–men who were liars and devoid of education and wizards.”
Eusebius, The Treatise of Eusebius, ch. 2.
ANTONIUS PIUS: (86 AD to 161 AD)
A letter from the Roman Emperor Antoninus Pius to the general assembly in Asia Minor. This letter says that the officials in Aisa Minor were getting upset at the Christians in their province, and that no changes are to be made in Antoninus’ method of dealing with them.
“The Emperor Caesar Titus AElius Adrianus Antoninus Augustus Pius, Supreme Pontiff, in the fifteenth year of his tribuneship, Consul for the third time, Father of the fatherland, to the Common Assembly of Asia, greeting: I should have thought that the gods themselves would see to it that such offenders should not escape.
For if they had the power, they themselves would much rather punish those who refuse to worship them; but it is you who bring trouble on these persons, and accuse as the opinion of atheists that which they hold, and lay to their charge certain other things which we are unable to prove.
But it would be advantageous to them that they should be thought to die for that of which they are accused, and they conquer you by being lavish of their lives rather than yield that obedience which you require of them. And regarding the earthquakes which have already happened and are now occurring, it is not seemly that you remind us of them, losing heart whenever they occur, and thus set your conduct in contrast with that of these men; for they have much greater confidence towards God than you yourselves have.
And you, indeed, seem at such times to ignore the gods, and you neglect the temples, and make no recognition of the worship of God. And hence you are jealous of those who do serve Him, and persecute them to the death.
Concerning such persons, some others also of the governors of provinces wrote to my most divine father; to whom he replied that they should not at all disturb such persons, unless they were found to be attempting anything against the Roman government. And to myself many have sent intimations regarding such persons, to whom I also replied in pursuance of my father’s judgment.
But if any one has a matter to bring against any person of this class, merely as such a person, let the accused be acquitted of the charge, even though he should be found to be such an one; but let the accuser he amenable to justice.”
Justin Martyr, The First Apology, ch. 70
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So, wouldn't you agree that on the issue of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the koran is incorrect and that Jesus truly DID die on the cross and rise from the dead?

Why or why not?

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sorry to jump in the middle of hot debate... i want to start from the start... will answer the allegation about the Quran later..

About the topic >>“Why Jesus Really Came To The Earth” and your impression for Jesus being a Savior as his only Mission and reason to be sent to earth.

My reply to your thread will be largely tangential for obvious reasons. First with great respect, I have to acknowledge that my Belief in Jesus is part of my teachings, without that I’m not a Muslim [or Kafir for other Muslim].

Why he was sent? His birth elaborates the whole story. Born through Virgin Mary clearly declares that there was not a single Man left in the Hebrew nation who can be a proud father of a Prophet. Also it entails that the reign of House of Isaac is now ended and House of Ishmael will prevail. The reason being injustice of Hebrew nation to all the prophets of their time. his coming was the last blessing of prophethood from God Almighty to the Jews. As he said “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 15:24).

The Israelites followed the Torah, and Jesus came to revive the true spirit of the Torah in the hearts of the Israelites and clear any misunderstandings. He was a follower of Moses and did not change or reject the Mosaic law. The New Testament states Jesus came only to fulfill the Law and not abolish it (Matthew 5:17). This message created an uproar among the jews of that time and they started persecuting him and his disciples [as its done throughout the history of prophets]. Subsequently his death warrant was issued.

God never leaves his chosen ones alone, thus his prayer on cross was answered when he asked "Eloi Eloi lema sabachthani? Oh God why you have forsaken me?. God assured his survival - for AS Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a fish, so the SON of MAN will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth… Judge Pilate [who was a covert disciple of Jesus], smartly chose Friday as the day when Jesus was put on the cross. Not even after few hours the weather changed the sky got dark, thus per sabot’s protocol, the criminals had to be pulled off the cross. A spear was pierced on his chest to confirm the death, which gushed the blood [a sign of life, deads don’t follow this physiology], he was then brought down and his disciples took him to the already arranged cave. In short he recovered from his wounds [with the use of marham-e-isa] and as promised, came out of the cave after 3 days and 3 nights, showed his wounds to his other disciples who though that Jesus has ascended in the skies, not only that he ate fish with this disciples. [deads and ghosts don’t eat food].

He was in his 30’s when this all happen, he had a mission as mentioned above to gather the lost sheeps of Israel to achieve. His journey begun.

The 12 sheep’s [tribes] were in the holy land, later after the demise of King Solomon, the 2 stayed behind, 10 were made captives and were taken away by King Jeroboam and King Rehoboam and subsequently by king Nebuchadnezzar [bakht nazer] to the further east in the region so called Afghanistan and Kashmir. Their habitant still call them as Bani Israel. And thus history proves that this young prince Jesus survived the crucifixion and travelled to the lost sheeps in the regions of afghan and Kashmir along with her mother, and other women * to fulfill his mission, “to gather the lost sheep of Israel”.

His Mother during this journey got ill and passed away, was laid to peace in the northern hills of Pakistan, named after her – as `Mai Mari da Asthan´, today know as “Murry”, He travelled further and preached his message to the other jews in the hills of Kashmir and finally at the very ripe age of 120, He died [as all humans do] in Sirinagar Kashmir. [Read more on the www.tombofjesus.com]

the theory of Jesus being only savior put a hurdle in thinking about his real mission. I hope no one is offended with this.. after all “islam ki zindagi isa kay mernay may hai”

bbl*

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hey i made a post few days ago and it has just vanished!!!!

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Did you even watch that video I posted? It explains why those books were rejected.

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THIS VIDEO WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE NEW TESTIMENT OF THE BIBLE WAS CONONIZED (CAME TO BE):

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Now are you beginning to see it?

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The “Incident at Antioch” is the standard title historians use to refer to the Early Christian dispute between the apostles Paul and Peter which occurred in the city of Antioch around the middle of the first century. The primary source for the incident is Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians 2:11-14. Since F.C. Baur, scholars have found evidence of conflict among the leaders of Early Christianity; for example James D. G. Dunn proposes that Peter was a “bridge-man” between the opposing views of Paul and James the Just[1]](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/#cite_note-0).

Incident at Antioch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By the way the video I watched only explains what happened not why …

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Paul rebuked peter because Peter (being a Jew) began to shun the gentiles because he wanted to fit in with his own people the Jews. Peter was wrong at that time. Both Peter AND Paul preach the same gospel so I don't see what your point is of all of this. Peter was not a bridge man, if you read his book of the bible it is the same gospel as the rest of Scripture.

This is what your talking about:

Ga 2:11 ¶ Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?

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You still there?

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Now that you know why Jesus REALLY came to the earth, will you accept what He did on the cross to pay for your sins and accept Him as your Lord and Savior?

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What reason do you have for rejecting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?
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I have studied my own religion and Christianity and there is no way Christianity, or any other religion for that matter, can even be in the vicinity of being compared to Islam. But since I am sure you can't understand that and I bet you haven't studied Islam and probably your own religion so let me educate you a little.

Let me say this point wise so you could answer me, if you can.

1. Prophet Jesus is not God.

  • Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. [NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]

-Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. [NIV Bible, Mark 12:29]

-No one is good–except God alone. [NIV Bible, Mark 10:18]

You better explain these before you can say that God sent his son for our sake (Nauzubillah).

Jesus isn't going to save you and not anyone. He is not the son of God he is made of mud as is everybody else. The only thing that will save anyone are their good deeds on this earth. God would be really unjust if a Jesus accepting rapist and a really good person are going to haven. That's silly!

I must ask you one other thing: Are pedophile priests going to haven?

2. Bible is totally unreliable.

-How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? [NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8]

-The Bible's own theologians even admit that the bible contains "fictions", its original manuscripts "had been lost", and contains "fairy tails and fables".

-According to the early Christians' manuscripts, Jesus never got crucified, and trinity is a lie.

-The Old Testament clearly talks about Believing in One GOD Almighty and doing Righteousness saving you. No need for mediators (Jesus or idols) between you and GOD Almighty, your Creator.

-Jesus has never asked to be worshiped.

-Just mention one place in the bible where Jesus has clearly claimed divinity. Just one place.

The truth is that Christians have made up their religion. Constantine and his council added whatever they wanted in bible and threw out anything they didn't like. If I mention all of inconsistencies and forgeries in Bible the length of the post won't allow you to answer them.

You better stop making factitious gods with one and only GOD. Shirk is the greatest sin. One who commits it can never get out of hell.

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My response is in bold above.

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Peace frodo

This is Paul's version of what happened and how he argued against Peter and him casting blame on others shows his blatant stance against such personnages. It was his debating tactics and not the scripture that he used to create support for his own stance. What sort of a claim is this that if one eats with non-Jews then his way has become like the way of non-Jews? It is a fallacious argument and no one was allowed to write in at the time why it was so simply fallacious. Simple fact is that to entice people to the way of God one must dine with them and be brotherly to them. Then in time when they accept the creed matters then they will emulate the outer forms also. There is no double standard that Paul has so cleverly made to seem exists here.

Here is what Barnabas says in the last verse of his Gospel:

222 After Jesus had departed, the disciples scattered through the different parts of Israel and of the world, and the truth, hated, of Satan, was persecuted, as it always is, by falsehood. For certain evil men, pretending to be disciples, preached that Jesus died and rose not again. Others preached that he really died, but rose again. Others preached, and yet preach, that Jesus is the Son of God, among whom is Paul deceived. But we, as much as I have written, that preach we to those who fear God, that they may be saved in the last day of God's Judgement. Amen.

Reference to Paul being deceived is also in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Time Pass... Feb 2014
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My response is in bold above.

The Hi/Bye Thread
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Hi there,

First of all, I am not here to disrespect anyone’s beliefs or religion. I am here to understand and learn about other religions.

Issue about Paul: ****

Lets accept for a second that Paul was asked to spread Jesus PBUH’s gospel to the gentiles, how come there is contradictions between 4 gospels and Paul’s letter. I mean I don’t have a depth knowledge of the Bible at this stage but so far what I have read in the book of Genesis, I have found issues which don’t link with dates and times when I researched them.

My understanding is that there were 12 gospels written around the time but only 4 are accepted and distributed but not the others. Paul’s letters are concentrated in depth but if you read the Hebrew version of the Bible, you will see the misinterpretations.

If we look at the history of Romans over the centuries, you will notice that they have always enjoyed the control over the nations, people, their religion and brought down their own laws which might contradict with locals. Example that comes to mind is the Romans around the time of Jesus PBUH in Kingdom land promised to Jews by Allah through Moses PBUH.

Eating halal or non-halal meat:
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My research on Islamic websites seems to be pointing towards that we are allowed to eat meat slaughtered by Jews and Christians (Religions with Holy Books) but emphasis is made to try and find Halal meat first if possible. My understanding of Muslims preferring to eat Kosher (Jewish slaughtering) meat is cos of similarity of:

  • Use of the size of knife
  • Respect for the animal
  • Slaughtering
  • Keeping the head connected to the body till animal is dead
  • Draining maximum if not all blood of the animal before taking the skin off

My friends come and eat on the same table with us who are from Muslims, Christians, Hindus, and Sikhs to Atheists etc. I know that some people do disagree with me on my believe.

Not respecting the Quran as a valid source:

I don’t only use Quran as my source of research but yes, I do read what Quran says about a subject that I am researching. I have used Torah, Bible, Quran and other sources before writing my answers.

I have read this statement before ‘My Lord, God of Jesus PBUH or God of Bible’. I can assure you that we believe in the same one and only God as you do.

I hope this helps clear few points.