Why Jesus Really Came To The Earth

xfrodobagginsx · August 8, 2009, 3:02pm

**ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

There are some things that you should know:

1. Realize that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior:**

Ro 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”

Ro 3:10 “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:”

This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.

Because of our sins, we die both spiritually and physically, but God sent His Son to die so that you can have a chance not to have to go to hell by accepting what He did on the cross for you:

Ro 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

Ro 5:8 “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for us.”

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It’s the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won’t go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

3.** If you will confess to Jesus Christ that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior, accept Him as Lord and Savior and believe in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead you will be saved.**

Ro 10:9,10 “that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved..”

Joh 1:12 Joh 1:12 “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name”

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

Do you believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins? Are you willing to turn from your sins to Jesus Christ for Salvation

If you are willing to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please humble yourself before God and pray this prayer to Him from your heart:

“Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen.”

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism

apple2005 · August 8, 2009, 5:13pm

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Very simple way of salvation......Do whatever you want to do and then Jesus(PBUH) will do salvation for you..... You people are living in which world??????

And also please solve the matter with Ahmadiya people first....

fayax · August 8, 2009, 7:33pm

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lol .. not frodobaggins again!

d-tox.ed · August 8, 2009, 9:13pm

He has indeed raised some good points...as Muslims we should answer him as best as we can....I will collate reply for his post later.

Mr.Popat · August 8, 2009, 10:59pm

These people's belief has nothing to do with the Ahmadiyyat Muslim jamaat's beliefs. Ahmadis believe He(AS) died a natural death and that everyone is accountable for their own sins.

xfrodobagginsx · August 9, 2009, 2:59am

Who said do whatever you want? The point is that good deeds don't get you to heaven because you are already a sinner. A sin is a crime against God. God is perfect and demands perfection. Since we cannot do that, He sent His one and only Son Jesus to DIE for you to take your punishment. If you will accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, God will forgive you for your sins. If you won't accept Him, then you will have to pay for your own sins by going to hell.

The good deeds that Christians do are BECAUSE we are already saved by God, NOT so that we can become saved by God. We also have a real, personal relationship with the living God. He loves you and wants a personal relationship with you. Imagine the God of the universe loves you that much. God spoke to me in my sleep last night. He simply told me that I should live as though I am being judged. It woke me up in the middle of the night.

What reason do you have for rejecting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

Hell=an eternal prison for those who commit crimes against God.

Sin=a crime against God

Everyone has sinned.

Jesus on the cross and rising from the dead+belief in Him as Lord and Savior=a Pardon for your sins (you won't have to go to hell (prison)

The bible was written by the eyewitnessess who actually walked with Jesus.

The bible is reliable.

Jesus desires to save YOU but you MUST accept the pardon for your sins that He offers YOU.

Will you do that?

teggy · August 9, 2009, 3:10am

xfrodobagginsx:

Who said do whatever you want? The point is that good deeds don't get you to heaven because you are already a sinner. A sin is a crime against God. God is perfect and demands perfection. Since we cannot do that, He sent His one and only Son Jesus to DIE for you to take your punishment. If you will accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, God will forgive you for your sins. If you won't accept Him, then you will have to pay for your own sins by going to hell.

The good deeds that Christians do are BECAUSE we are already saved by God, NOT so that we can become saved by God. We also have a real, personal relationship with the living God. He loves you and wants a personal relationship with you. Imagine the God of the universe loves you that much. God spoke to me in my sleep last night. He simply told me that I should live as though I am being judged. It woke me up in the middle of the night.

What reason do you have for rejecting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

The little fact that he was a man who was born, lived a life like a human, and then was raised up by the One and Only God. The God who is supreme and begets no sons, nor does sleep overtake him.

What answer will you have when Jesus (may God be pleased with him) rejects your beliefs and confirms the truth of One God who has no offsprings, and his teachings were corrupted by the church much later after him? How will you look him in the eye and say "My Lord save me from THE Lord" for I have sinned and associated partners with God/"The Father". A crime so grave that even Jesus (may God be pleased with him) will be left unable to save you.

Can you cite where Jesus (may God be pleased with him) himself said "Worship me, I am your lord and your God?" or where Jesus said "I am your living God, worship me, and all your sins are forgiven. Fornicate, cheat others, lie in my name after me, associate partners with the "Father"...?

Please cite this, and we'll go from there..

:)

teggy · August 9, 2009, 3:11am

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Also if the bible was written by witnesses who walked with Jesus, why does it have so many different versions? Do their stories not add up? Shouldn't the message be the same? Yet there are "versions" of the text?

Jesus was sent to the house of Israel and to guide lost children of Israel, so how does his message apply to Romans who later adopted Christianity? Isn't it true that Romans changed the bible's teaching and many of the celebrated holidays today have pagan roots and Jesus infact was NOT born on December 25th? If all these are inaccuraries, then how can you be so sure they didn't flipflop the holy scripture as well? Unless you have lived since those days and most certainly certify to the bible being genuine. :) Again...going back to "versions" of bible.

xfrodobagginsx · August 9, 2009, 3:27am

teggy:

The little fact that he was a man who was born, lived a life like a human, and then was raised up by the One and Only God. The God who is supreme and begets no sons, nor does sleep overtake him.

That's not what the bible says:

** Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.**

What answer will you have when Jesus (may God be pleased with him) rejects your beliefs and confirms the truth of One God who has no offsprings, and his teachings were corrupted by the church much later after him?

The place that I get my information isn't from the church, it's from the bible (God's word). Secondly Jesus Himself said that only those who place their faith in Him as Lord and Savior will be saved:

Jesus said:

Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

1Jo 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

Joh 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

How will you look him in the eye and say "My Lord save me from THE Lord" for I have sinned and associated partners with God/"The Father". A crime so grave that even Jesus (may God be pleased with him) will be left unable to save you.

That's not what will happen. God the Father has given Judgment unto God the Son (Jesus).

Can you cite where Jesus (may God be pleased with him) himself said "Worship me, I am your lord and your God?" or where Jesus said "I am your living God, worship me, and all your sins are forgiven.

I have quoted above, but there are countless places where He said to believe in Him for salvation and that He is God.

Here is yet another of MANY MANY places where Jesus forgives sins:

Mt 9:2 Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, "Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you." And at once some of the scribes said within themselves, "This Man blasphemes!"But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, "Why do you think evil in your hearts?"For which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you,' or to say, 'Arise and walk'? "But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins" --then He said to the paralytic, "Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house."

Fornicate, cheat others, lie in my name after me,

The bible condemns those things as sins and so does the church so Jesus wouldn't do that.

associate partners with the "Father"...?

Are you asking where the bible says that He is one with the Father?

Jesus Christ is God Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. {everlasting: Heb. the days of eternity} (KJV) This prophecy is of Christ's first comming. His Goings forth have been from everlasting because Christ Jesus is God. Jesus Christ is one with the Father. He is God. ** **Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all one God 1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (KJV) Jesus declares Himself to be the great I AM of the Old Testiment Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (KJV) I am is God. There is only one God. That God has three parts. Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (KJV) Mt 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. God's plurality is found in Genesis Ge 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (KJV) John declares Christ Jesus to be God Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (KJV) Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (KJV) John declares that the world was made by Him (Jesus Christ) Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. All things were made by Him and He was in the beginning with God (Father) Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Conclusion: Jesus Christ is God. Not a God but the God of the bible. God has three parts. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All are equal yet the Son is submissive to the Father and the Holy Spirit is submissive to the Son. Jesus Christ was an EXAMPLE for us. He died on the cross for our sins so that we could go to heaven and be forgiven of our sins. He shed His blood for us. Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. Won't you read this original post and pray that prayer and ask Jesus Christ to be your Savior and Lord[FONT=Times New Roman]?

Please cite this, and we'll go from there..

:)

I have cited these things in bold above, plus I have much more. Thank you for the discussion.

teggy · August 9, 2009, 3:35am

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Thanks for avoiding the questions. You did a mighty fine job of copy/paste.

So why are there versions? And which version do you use to cite all this? :)

xfrodobagginsx · August 9, 2009, 3:36am

teggy:

Also if the bible was written by witnesses who walked with Jesus, why does it have so many different versions?

The "versions" that you speak of are merely TRANSLATIONS from the original language into english. The problem is that sometimes false teachers come in and try to twist up the scripture using translations which are not accurate. The bible was written in hebrew, greek and aramaic, NOT english. The KJV is the most widely accepted "accurate" translation of any other.

Do their stories not add up? Shouldn't the message be the same? Yet there are "versions" of the text?

They add up, see my response in bold above.

Jesus was sent to the house of Israel and to guide lost children of Israel, so how does his message apply to Romans who later adopted Christianity?

The Jews are God's chosen people because the "messiah" which means "Savior", Jesus Christ came through them. The gospel message went to them first, but because they rejected it, God allowed it to go out unto the gentiles (non-Jews) so that all men might be saved.

Isn't it true that Romans changed the bible's teaching and many of the celebrated holidays today have pagan roots and Jesus infact was NOT born on December 25th?

Yes it is true that the Catholics started the tradition of celebrating the birth of Christ on the pegan holiday of December 25. The reason was that many of the new converts had previously worshipped false gods. They decided to replace that false god tradition with the birth of Christ, since no one actually knows when Jesus was born. There is nothing wrong with celebrating the birth of Christ, but it's not mandated by the bible.

If all these are inaccuraries, then how can you be so sure they didn't flipflop the holy scripture as well?

Because we have the ancient manuscripts to compare to the bible.

Unless you have lived since those days and most certainly certify to the bible being genuine. :) Again...going back to "versions" of bible.

One doesn't have to live since those days to know that the manuscripts are still the complete word of God as originally penned by the eyewitnesses.

My responses are in bold.

teggy · August 9, 2009, 3:37am

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So why hasn't one single bible been re-compiled, why are there STILL versions?

xfrodobagginsx · August 9, 2009, 3:39am

My response is in bold.

xfrodobagginsx · August 9, 2009, 3:40am

Because they are different translations into english from the original language, just as the koran has different translations into different languages.

The ancient manuscripts are only one version.

teggy · August 9, 2009, 3:42am

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Nope. Quran is one single text, it has been translated into other langauges with the original Arabic intact.

Why does bible have versions which are different from each other? Even within each languge?

xfrodobagginsx · August 9, 2009, 3:45am

It doesn't.

teggy · August 9, 2009, 3:50am

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Why do all christians not follow one bible? (leaving languages aside)

Why do Protestant believe in one bible, while Catholics believe in another, and so on?

xfrodobagginsx · August 9, 2009, 3:51am

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My point to you is that the bible directly contradicts the koran. The bible was written by the eyewitnesses. The koran wasn't written until hundreds of years later by someone who was not an eyewitness. Why would you believe mohammad over the eyewitnesses of the events?

Think about it like this. History tells us that George Washington was the first president of the United States. What if a guy who was born in 1976 two hundred yeas later and said that George Washington wasn't the first U.S. President, but that Benedict Arnold was. What reason would I have to believe them? They weren't there. I would believe the eyewitnesses. Do you see my point?

teggy · August 9, 2009, 3:53am

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You opened the thread about Christianity, lets stay on that, shall we?

I know what i believe and don't need anyone to re-teach me my religion. Thanks.

So...my questions please..why do different groups of Christians follow different bibles? Catholics vs. Protestants for example? :) Why not one bible, since there are no "versions" as you say...

xfrodobagginsx · August 9, 2009, 3:55am

Oh, you are talking about the biblical cannon it's self, not the original manuscripts.

The difference in the protestant bible and the Catholic bible is that Catholics include a few extra books call the apacriphical books which were not written by the eyewittesses of Jesus's time and also contradict the rest of the bible, which is why they are rejected by protestants. They were VERY careful to preserve God's word and even which books were actually inspired by God and which ones were fakes took a few hundred years to determine. It wasn't taken lightly, so to think that the bible's actual texts are somehow corrupt is simply false.