Why Jesus Really Came To The Earth

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Then I'm glad that my God isn't like yours. My God isn't willing that any should perish but that ALL men might be saved. He promises that if you will truly seek Him, you WILL find Him. He is a personal Savior and He comforts me with His Spirit. I can feel Him inside my heart and He brings peace to my soul. He loves me and guides me in the way that I should go when I follow Him.

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So you are saying your God is only Christian's God?...ooh thats not so good is it...Our God is everyon's God....He loves everyone equally....the blesses more who are more near to him....He is JUST.

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Go here and we will discuss further. You don’t know about your own bible…I think you didn’t read Bible at all. Otherwise any one who is sensible enough will not believe…

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*Because LEGALLY in heaven, a just God MUST require punishment for sin. He knew that we couldn't pay what HE HIMSELF required so HE paid it for US. It was required and HE paid it. To reject that is to spit in the face of God so to speak.
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So what happens to millions of people who pre-dated Jeus?

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*Before Christ Jesus came to this earth to pay for our sins on the cross, those who lived before Him were required to perform animal sacrifices where the blood of the animal is shed. *

Le 9:2 And he said unto Aaron, Take thee a young calf for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering, without blemish, and offer them before the LORD.

Le 4:32 And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.

The animal was required to be without blemish, representing Christ's sinless perfection. The shed blood represents the blood He shed on the cross to pay for your sins.

After Jesus came, we were no longer required to perform these sacrifices because the perfect sacrifice had come once and for all:

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

This is how Abraham sacrificed to God for his sins pointing to Christ Jesus the perfect Lamb of God:

Ge 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? {lamb: or, kid}
Ge 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Jesus was our perfect Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world:

Joh 1:29 ¶ The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. {taketh away: or, beareth}

Joh 1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

You see, the purpose for Jesus coming to this earth was so that He could save us from our sins by being a sacrifice for us. He had to be perfect and sinless. No other person could have done it because we are all sinners and not perfect before God:

Ro 3:22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

That is the reason that ALL false religions deny the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ because belief in this is required for salvation and the devil knows this. You MUST believe that Jesus is who He says He is and accept the sacrifice that He gave in order to pay for your sin. There is no other way:

Jesus said:

Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Jesus said:

Joh 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

Jesus said:

Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. "But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

His apostle John writes:

1Jo 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life

Do you know why? Because they don't have a pardon from God for their sins committed against a Holy, Perfect God. That's why. If you think about it it makes perfect sense why Jesus came. We cannot be good enough on our own to get to heaven because WE are already sinners, but Jesus was perfect.

If good deeds could get us to heaven then Jesus died in vain:

Ga 2:21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."

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What I am saying is that we do not worship the same god. The God of the bible is the true God and He is everyone's God who believes in Him and accepts what His Son did on the cross to pay for their sins, at that moment they will recieve His Holy Spirit inside them to comfort and guide them.

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^That may come as a surprise to you but the beleif that people cannot achieve salvation through good deeds alone is firmly rooted in Islamic theology. Hence all muslims beleive that its not good deeds that will take them to heaven but the "mercy" of God and his "forgiveness". Hence asking for forgiveness is one of fundamental practice of Islam also called "Istaghfar". However, in contrast with christians, muslim do not beleive in perpetual propagation of sin through genes ( i wonder if there is a sin gene, passed down from Adam onwards), which means that each and every person is sinless when born and sins committed by him/her are not bcoz of Adam but because of his/her own self. To be cleansed and be forgiven of sins, one should pray to God and God alone.

Salvation through third party punishment is a concept that people don't swallow for it may make sense to our christian friends but no to muslims.

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You can chase me all you want but the proof is right in front of your faith. Those quotes are all historical and accepted by secular historians who aren't necessarily Christian as authentic so I'm not worried about it. Whether or not I cut n' pasted it is irrelelvent to the fact that those quotes are true and prove that the koran contradicts secular history and biblical eyewitness history. Obviously, the koran is wrong.

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My response is in bold above.

Now I ask you, what reason do you have for rejecting the bible as God's word and accepting the koran over the bible given the evidence that I have shown you? The bible was written by the eyewitnesses of Christ's time, His disciples and followers.

Since the koran and the bible contradict each other, one of them is clearly wrong and one of them is correct. I choose the bible because there is no reason to believe that it has been corrupted, it lines up with history and was written by the eyewitnesses.

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I'll be back on tommorrow. Thank you for this discussion.

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I looked over it for a moment and right away the site opens with blatant lies about the bible. The stories did NOT come eqypt. I will be back to discuss this with you later. I have noticed that many of the anti-bible critiques have to lie in order to get people to believe them. More later…gnite.

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BTW any reply for this post?

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With hundreds of versions of bible floating around before council of nicea took a decison upon it, how can you expect non-christians to beleive that the current copies are un-corrupted.

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Because at that time, God did forbid the gospel from going out to non-Jews, but because the Jews rejected their messiah, the gospel went out to the gentiles.

Ro 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

The Gospel is the death, burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

*The Jews were Jesus's people. After the resurrection of Jesus and the rejection by the Jews of the gospel, the gospel went out to the gentiles. *

After Jesus rose from the dead and just Before Jesus ascended up into heaven He said:

Mr 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

Mt 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

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There were NOT hundreds of “versions” of the bible. You can keep saying that, but that’s not the truth. There were different books that were candidates for the biblical cannon that were being explored to see whether they were:

THIS VIDEO WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE NEW TESTIMENT OF THE BIBLE WAS CONONIZED (CAME TO BE):

WHOLE VIDEO:

http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=8adaf8fda7c348271151

IF THAT ABOVE LINK DOESN’T WORK PLEASE WATCH THESE VIDEOS PART 1 AND 2: (IT’S A DIFFERENT LINK TO THE SAME VIDEO:

PART 1:

PART 2:

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**YOU POSTED A WHOLE BOOK IN YOUR POST.

You have proved that bible was written by 40 authors. Then how you attribute bible to God OR Jesus(PBUH). And you said that it took 1500 years to compile bible. Then how it could be Jesus words or God's word?

It is like if somebody today rise and say that Jesus OR God have given me the authority in my sleep that I should write some more books of bible. Will you accept that or not??? If not why????

The answers you have given to contradictions are like teaching a child...You did the same as I mentioned to disprove by telling that it was copying mistakes... **Then why nobody can correct that???? Because you know that it will create more problems than what you are facing today.

BY the way what about the pornography in Bible?????

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The posted whole book to respond to the whole book that you wrote. It goes after each issue that you presented one at a time and explains it. You can't prove wrong, what is true. The bible is true and it's God's word. The bible was WRITTEN over a period of 1500 years. That's mainly the Old Testiment that took most of that time. The new testiment was written actually within 50 years of Jesus's resurrection. It's God's word precisely for the reason that it was written by Him through 40 men because they lived in different parts of the world at different times, yet it fit's together like one book. Only God could have done that. I didn't say that there were copy mistakes. That article may have implied that, but it also explains the alleged contradictions that you so desperately hold on to as "proof" that the bible is false. The truth is that there are NO contradictions in the bible. I can show you a slew of contradictions in the koran.

Song of solomon talks about sex, but it's about the beauty of a relationship between a man and His wife, which is a picture of Christ's love for His church. What do you get if you are martred? 100 virgins, is what they believe. So there is sex in the koran as well.

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The fact is the the New testiment was written by the eyewitnesses of Jesus's day, NOT the koran. The bible was written first, NOT the koran. The koran wasn't written until hundreds of years later. Mohammud claimed to have visions from an angel, but he didn't stop to consider the fact that they directly contradicted God's word, the bible. God would NEVER condradict His word. God also promises to preserve His word and He has through the bible. God cannot lie. The arabs used to be Chrsitian until they were FORCED by the sword of muslims to convert or die. Many Christian arabs were murdered by muslims because they refused to convert. That is the actual history of why islam spread. It spread by the sword, NOT persuasion through the truth and facts. They keep you in bondage because if you do choose leave Islam you are either murdered or disowned by your family. That's the way that they have to keep followers, through force. The Christians don't do that. They persuade men though the word of God (the bible), living the way that Jesus did and through the actual FACTS of history, science and intellectual reasoning.

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Sorry about the removal of two posts here ... but we cannot ask 100 questions in one post and we cannot post a whole book in one post either ... it no longer remains a discussion.

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Peace xfrodobagginsx

There is no reason to refute the Bible ... it supports and confirms the Qur'an in most places and its in those places we should concentrate at first.

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Dear friend,

The Bible and the quran contradict each other in many places, even though there are some similarities. The biggest problem that Christians have with it is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ is denied by the quran. The quran claims (from what I understand) the judas Iscariot died on Jesus Christ's place and that Jesus didn't die on the cross. In the biblical account Judas BETRAYS Christ and is possessed by the devil himself. Judas is damned beyond any other man from the way it speaks of him. So, the quran makes Judas a hero, the bible condemns him beyond any other man. The koran also denies the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. That is a huge issue for Christians because the entire new testiment tells us that salvation is ONLY through faith in Jesus Christ, believing in His death, burial and resurrection for our sins. To deny this is to deny the way of salvation. The entire New Testiment is focused on the salvation message and the entire old testiment points to Jesus Christ as well. It even prophecies of His birth, death and resurrection hundreds of years before it actually happened.

We MUST concentrate on our differences, not our similarities as much as I would like to be friendly, it is actually more loving of me to warn you that you need to believe in Jesus Christ, His death, burial and resurrection as the scripture says.

If you can accept Him into your heart as Lord and Savior, believing that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins and ask Him for forgiveness for your sins, you can be saved. Nothing else really matters.