Why Jack Straw wants Muslim women to remove the veil

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first of all, Jack Straw is entitled to his opinion. The veil has been debated for a long time. It is believed that veiling started during the reign of Cyrus the Great, founder of the Persian Empire. He asked his women to cover themselves as a protection. It was first only for royalty and aristocracy, and gradually was adopted by women of lower classes — to create the impression that they belonged to high families. I understand that Judaism and Christianity require women to cover their heads, but not faces.Why is there such selective anger? Straw just suggested that women should not cover the face because it interfered with communication. It was just a few days ago that Tunisia refused to allow covered Muslim women to attend schools. Egypt and Turkey do not allow covered women in Parliament. Why are Muslims mad only at Straw? Shouldn’t we correct our own selves before criticizing others?

Veil is more cultural than religious. Men in certain tribes of sub-Sahara in North Africa still cover their faces. Islam has not ordered women to cover their faces. Those who pretend that veil protects women from committing sins are naïve.

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This is not to do with the topic, but jack straw has a face that really makes me want to just punch it! I could just kick him to death and not feel any remorse? I dunno why but this is just my opinion, and like him im entitled to it right?

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Why we Muslims get sentimental on a just demand. Women are not forced by Islam to cover their faces with veil but only to have a big drooping Chaddar. This is cultural not religious and please do not get sentimental on such things

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I wonder if Straw would be bold enough to say that he doesn't want the vote of women who are wearing veil. Would he? Of course not, a third rate person like him would take any vote he can get. Low morals of a cheap person. After all he supported the illegal invasion of Iraq just to keep his job. What can you expect from such a person.

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You are exaggarating of what he said. Covering your entire face with a veil is not a part of Islam, doenst say anywhere in the Quran or the Hadiths or the Sunnas.

This is a Persian tradition which got incorporate into Arabia.

And if you cover your entire face, it is very hard to communicate and to do a job which requires face to face contact.

These kind of reactions are exactly the kind of problems facing the Islamic World.

Instead of doing what the Quran states, we do what Arab/Persian/Turkish tribal customs stated which got merged with Islam to create a hybrid version of Islam.

Women have to dress modestly, and no where does it state that they have to cover their faces or their hair.

Covering your hair is a myth.

This concept was started by the Ottomans.

Learn about Islam before you jump to conclusions

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^ Can you please underline where I have said veil is part of Islam. Read the posts before you jump to conclusions. I know everything western is sacred to you, but keep things in perspective.

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thats exactly the kind of responses which makes it so hard to change muslims perceptions about islam...

if anyone suggests which goes against the norms of islam, his belief in his religion, his appeasment to the west are immediately questioned instead of listening to the arguments he/she has put forth and analyzing and debating them accordingly

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^ Please underline where I said veil is part of Islam. If you can't than your above statment applies to you equally blaming others without proof and generalising and sterotyoping muslims who do not agree with your point of view.

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don't bother ehsan, he was fully supporting beauty contests including bikini contests for muslim women despite being muslim.

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and you make excuses for terrorists

what is a bigger crime against islam?

a girl posing in a bikini or a muslim blowing himself up and killing people in the name of islam....

get your priorities straight

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These are indeed some of your better posts Mercenary. And yes, you're right, that everything is black and white to some..with us or against us (sound familiar :D?)I - if you don't agree with veiling, then you must be for people walking round naked etc..The middle option sounds so much better.

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whats next jack straw, rastafraians make him nervous so they cant wear their hats, he can not relate to ppl with mustaches so pp need to shave those, beards hide facial expressions, eyeglasses make him uncomfortable.

isnt this moron a public servant elected by ppl to do their work. Why is he acting like some fief lord? idiot.

Let ppl do as they please, as long as they are not breaking any laws..dunn seem like ladies in veils are breaking laws.

the fact that this is even made an issue is rater amusing, UK has a lot of other things to deal with..including answering the questions that the public is asking increasingly about govt botching up of stuff recently.

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^ Totally agree with you

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Thats the problem here. You are imposing your views of hijab and veil on muslim women when they dont subscribe to your POV. You dont believe its essential hence you jusitify the removal of the veil without any consideration for others beliefs. Your self contradicting and bigoted nature is pretty evident and somewhat lame to say the least.

On the other hand; with all these authorities forcing people to unviel and to dress they way they please; whats the difference between them and the taliban who forced women to don the afghan burka? is it the long beards and prayer caps perhaps?

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The teacher in question should only teach in an Islamic school.

If I was paying taxes in the UK and the school was being funded in part or wholely by a fraction of my tax money, I would have a huge problem with a teacher wearing a face veil. It would be a huge distraction (not just visually, but the attendant hoopla) and would take away from the process of learning (watching the teacher emote etc). My taxes would also pay for her extremely overt display of religious symboloism and the effects of the action....which is not acceptable to me. If it is a publicly funded school, any such displays must be kept to a minimum and not cause a distraction. Regarding wearing of Yarmulkes and Turbans and Crosses and Hijaab scarf....... none of these are worn over the face and or are extremely overt and over the top displays of religious symbolism. For instance if a sikh teacher decided to wear a full size Kirpan over his clothes, or his Kachha over his pants or something like that.... that would be a huge problem for me. Same is the case with a veil wearing teacher. All this is the context of my tax money being used.

If it is such a problem for her, she needs to teach in a school, where the folks who pay her salary do not have a problem with it. If I paid even a fraction of her salary, she would have got a pink slip without discussion.

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when do i make excuses for terrorists? I say kill the soldiers that occupy ur country, nothing about killing innocents, n I just say their is a root cause for everything, one problem leads to the next, can't one person condemn all things that r wrong, instead of supporting one and denouncing the other which u do despite being a muslim.

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sorry, yarmulke, turban, niqab, if you are going to take a stance that religious symbols are out of place in a publically funded school then it does not matter how overt or large these symbols are, they need to go. Make a ruling, make it into a law.

If there is no law on the book then its just one person’s preferences or views. and that carry no weight.

So yes, make a policy that in public institutions religious symbols, clothing etc are nto allowed and thus turban, yarmulke, niqab is not allowed. take the crosses of school seals and crests. and holidays that algn with religious events of particular religious groups need to go as well then. I am all for it. and it does not matter how large or small the item is, if you have a standard rule it applies to everyone..even if the dot on the head of some needs to go.

but do it all the ay not in a half-assed away..

but then what of cultural stuff, ppl in India and Pakistan, of hindu, muslim, sikh, zoroastrian belief all have women who have dupatta on their heads, would that also be not allowed?

In addition she did nto say she would keep her niqaab in front of students, and male colleagues do not need to see her emote now would they?

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Originally Posted by Fraudz
sorry, yarmulke, turban, niqab, if you are going to take a stance that religious symbols are out of place in a publically funded school then it does not matter how overt or large these symbols are, they need to go. Make a ruling, make it into a law.?

Ok then my vote is no symbolism should be allowed if I have to be extreme. I work too hard for my money, for my tax money to be used for someone else's beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Fraudz
but then what of cultural stuff, ppl in India and Pakistan, of hindu, muslim, sikh, zoroastrian belief all have women who have dupatta on their heads, would that also be not allowed??

If they want to wear what is culturally and legally accepted in thier countries of origin (pakistani woman wearing a dupatta, indian woman wearing a bindi), that is fine by me. I aint paying thier salaries in those countries.

Yes in her case it is extreme and overt religious symbolism. There are degrees often of what is acceptable. My money says full veiling aint acceptable!

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Originally Posted by Fraudz
In addition she did nto say she would keep her niqaab in front of students, and male colleagues do not need to see her emote now would they?

Yeah, but the hoopla created causes my money to be used (just for example...to pay for a door to the classroom as previously suggested). It also creates a huge distraction. I aint paying for her religious symbolism and its effects. I pay taxes for my kids to be given a secular education in a public school, not for exposure to religious symbolism. If they want that sort of exposure, they can get it in the private sphere where my tax money dosent pay for anything.

Besides which I think she commited fraud during the interview process, if she attended the interview unveiled and did not make it clear that she would be veiled during anytime that taxpayers were paying for her presence in the school. HR should look into that.

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Straw and Blair are merely lackeys of the US. This nonsense was started by Condi Rice when she visited Straws constituency.

I want all symbols of personal expression banned, inlcuding:

  • gold teeth, the full set, worn by the 'urban' youth.
  • Afros, the nest like hair dos. The remind of the black panthers!
  • jeans slung down to the ankles.
  • Rap music. It promotes violence!