Why Jack Straw wants Muslim women to remove the veil

Why Jack Straw wants Muslim women to remove the veil

This is a very strange and funny request from an MP whose Blackburn constituency has 25% Muslims, and whose votes helped him to get elected and become foreign secretary. Also during his time in the cabinet he visited many Muslim countries and had the opportunity to see first hand how Muslims live especially our social system which is based on segregation of the sexes with certain exceptions.

During election time Mr Straw always visited local masjids and even spoke from the minbar urging Muslims to vote for him as opposed to voting for the Conservatives or Liberal Democrats. Many Muslim leaders like Ibrahim Master and Lord Patel campaigned for him vehemently. I’m absolutely certain that Mr Straw took his shoes of when he entered the masjid and did not ask the question “Why must I take my shoes off, because when I visit the church I keep them on”? And this is a sign of division among communities. Maybe he thought better to accept their backward ways, after all these idiots still vote for me regardless of how many Muslim countries we invade and how many Muslims we kill.

Many Muslims like the ones I have mentioned campaigned for him and spent many hours together with him and discussed about Islam and I’m sure he asked them many questions. Surely the question of Muslim women’s dress must have come up especially since the case of the French hijab ban and Shabina Begum excluded from a Luton school were prominent in the media?

The answer is very simple and even these brothers were able to explain to Mr Straw that the reason Muslim women wear the hijab is because it’s a commandment from Allah. Also if they choose to wear the niqab and even if they want to cover their eyes then Islamically they can and also living in a free democratic society one can dress as one wishes or wear as less as one wishes.

It’s quite hysterical that Muslim women’s veil bothers him but not the way some western women dress in summer which agitates the emotions of most men, the homosexuals being the exception of course. Maybe it’s because he approves and likes that style of clothing which reveals parts of the female anatomy. I wonder what the Victorians would have thought. Maybe they would have said “What are these prostitutes doing outside of the brothel. Nowadays to think such thoughts classifies one as being backward or Islamic fundamentalist woman repressor.

Its funny that for women to cover in public is considered to be backward and ignorant, but to ask them to reveal more and more of their flesh is considered to be modern and enlightened. An important point to consider is that women can only reveal so much flesh before they might as well be naked; this thought would be repulsive to Mr Straw but the question I would ask is why? Their not wearing the veil and dividing communities but rather liberating themselves and going back to what some would say “ nature”.

Muslims of course find western dress code disgusting, shameful and degenerate because we compare against the Islamic dress code which originated from Allah swt who knows better than humans, even a collection of the most intellectual humans gathered together in Parliament or the ones with the highest IQ’s from Mensa. No matter how clever they are with multiples PhD’s it was Allah who created them in the first place.

We as Muslims can see that in the west rape, sexual harassment, fornication, sexual diseases, illegitimate kids, abortion, all exist because of the social system not being defined correctly.

A discussion needs to take place on these issues:

Is their co-relation between men and women relationships which leads to the corruption I mentioned above? If the answer is yes then what are correct way men and women should interact with each other and who should define this system?

Does women’s dress contribute to rape, sexual harassment?

Does the way Muslim women dress lead to social problems?

And is the Islamic social system a way to eliminate these problems which are on the rise in the west?

I urge Mr Straw to think about the questions I have posed and engage in a dialogue with Muslims who do not massage his ego but rather speak the truth regardless of the consequences from the British state fearing the wrath of Allah more than any human being.

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abit of background which you may already know but helpful to this topic.

mr straw is from the jewish faith,
has been resentful to have to rely on muslims for vote
involved in iraq wmd tales as british foreign secratery
political career nosedived after taking ms rice to his blackburn constituency, where the locals (indian/pakistani muslims) nearly ate ms rice!

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His statement seems factually accurate. The veil does separate the Muslims from the non Muslims.

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y does it matter which faith is he from?

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Stop wearing your clothes, because your clothes do seperate you from the nudists !!!

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"We are able to relate to people we don't know by reading their faces and if you can't see their faces, that provides some separation," he told a local radio station. "Those people who do wear the veil should think about the implications for community relations."
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This can be easily remedied. Niqabi women should carry an emoticon card with all 100+ emoticons printed on them. When talking to people, they can just point to an emoticon indicating which facial expression she is experiencing.

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agreed, his faith has no bearing on the fact that he is an overbearing moron.

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it shouldnt,

but

look at the USA - driven to murder by jewish extremist zealots
mr straw has attacked the freedom of muslims, some would say his from the same school of thought.

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I can say the same thing when you quote articles about "MUSLIM" men doing such acts, and then you go on about criticizing the "MULLAHs"... anyways.

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I dont think it's an attack on Muslim freedom. A woman isnt allowed to walk round without her top on. Is the other extreme allowed? Or should it be in the UK?

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where did you learn that? people CHOOSE not to do it. but thats irrelevent.
very few women wear full burqa, but its a right of their to wear it. no right, no freedom.
what is your oppinion? with the questions you pose, you obviously question the 'right' to wear the veil.

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So women are permitted to expose themselves in public? Why do streakers get arrested then? There are obcenity laws in the UK.

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very few women wear full burqa, but its a right of their to wear it. no right, no freedom.

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It is a right to wear it, so long as they do not affect the rights of other people. Jack Straw says he likes to see who he is talking to. This is probably not good enough to say his rights are being ignored. But if it affects community relations, then there is a wider problem. And I can agree that women that wear Burkhas do not integrate, so perhaps dont produce good community relations.

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what is your oppinion? with the questions you pose, you obviously question the 'right' to wear the veil.
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I am not really of any opinion. But a woman who wears a veil, head to toe, does not mean anything. Just superfically gives the impression they have high morals, but not necessarily true or better than a Muslim woman who does not veil.

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^interesting, so your points are (although you say you dont have any real oppinion!)

for
if doesnt effect anyones rights

against
its extreme
stifles integration, community relations
gives false impressions of high morals

thank you, it adds to the debate atleast. although i must say most of the uk probably agrees with you. i personally dont, even to debate the issue nationally is absurd. the times are not good for things only muslims do

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No one really answered the real questions here. Its usually hard to speak the truth.

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Question was answered. Both are extremes, too little clothing leads to sexual harassment, too much leads to social exclusion.

Perhaps fatness can lead to social exclusion too though, but I dont think it's as much of one.

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^yeah right, with that answer we’ll be throwing away the right to the veil.
i was actually appalled by the points you brought up to judge the veil by

heres a better way forward

Modesty gowns for female patients

A gown designed for female Muslim patients who wish to preserve their modesty for religious reasons is being introduced to hospitals in Lancashire.

The £12 outfits - made in Yorkshire - cover the entire head, neck and body, leaving just a slot for the eyes.
The burqua-style gowns come with trousers, two styles of head-dress and elasticated cuffs to prevent women’s arms from being revealed.
They will be available to patients at in Chorley and Preston from November.
The gowns were trialled at Royal Preston Hospital and proved so successful that a number of other NHS Trusts have also expressed an interest in offering them.
Preserving modesty
Karen Jacob, linen services manager at Lancashire Teaching Hospitals, came up with the idea.
She said: “I noticed a gap in the market and thought that it would be great if there was a gown that helped to preserve a patient’s modesty.”
The gowns are believed to be a world first - and TrusTECH, the NHS organisation which manages innovation for the North West NHS - has the patent.
It means the market for the gowns among the globe’s billion-plus Muslims is immense.
Tim Meadows, customer service manager for Interweave, the West Yorkshire-based firm which makes the garments, believes the demand for the gowns could be huge.
“We think there is a large market out there,” he says. “We hope it will be a success. We have invested a lot of time and money.”

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^^ you might be appalled by them, but you didnt counter them with anything of significance.

I am not for or against veiling. But I think that perhaps it does lead to social exclusion. Talking to someone wearing a veil is not easy - at least not for most in the UK.

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theres many reasons for social problems, the veil isnt one of them!

your obviously 'in tune' with pub level western ideology - no counter needed.

read my assesment of your basis - post #13 - its damming

i believe in celebrating difference and going forward with mutual respect. making efforts such as the hospitals is just that. well done lancashire nhs.

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You try talking to someone in a head to toe veil. The majority in the UK wouldnt be comfortable with it. That's why it leads to social exclusion.

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the social and racial problems are based on rascism and law and order problems. in this climate everythings an issue. i dont know one person who wouldnt/couldnt make the effort in talking to someone with a veil. :)