Re: Why Jack Straw wants Muslim women to remove the veil
Well, you might not, I know lots.
Re: Why Jack Straw wants Muslim women to remove the veil
Aah Jack Straw...
Aiding a human rights violator such as Pinochet escape the hands of justice: $0
Bringing in son due to drug bust: $50 (for the weed that was unpaid for)
Finding it hard to navigate his way in a burka: Priceless
Re: Why Jack Straw wants Muslim women to remove the veil
Jack Straw has no right to ask a Muslim woman to reveal her face, this is her faith he is interfering with, and nobody should have the right to interfere in ones faith! This is supposed to be a democracy that we live in....isn't it? As it was mentioned earlier, it would be OK if she walks around in a bra and knickers... thats acceptable! Jack Straw is just part of the bigger picture. For years no one has ever said that a woman in a veil has been a problem, actually not many years ago, a woman in a veil was portrayed as exotic and mysterious in a pleasant way in the movies, but now with Muslims in the firing line, everything 'Muslim' has to be questioned. He's just add more fuel to the fire!
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^^ It's not alright for a woman of any denomination to walk around in a bra and knickers in the UK. You can try it if you like, but I think you'll be arrested on either a charge of indecent exposure or a charge of being insane.
Also veiling is a more recent phenomenon in the UK. Mass immigration did not occur till 50 years ago, and mass Muslim immigration did not occur till the 60s. Also, this mass 60s immigration led to many women (predominantly Paki and Indian) not using the Duputta or Hijab and certainly they were not wearing the whole Niqab/Jilbab when they came over. It is very recent so please dont put out false facts.
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Don't crap Roadrunner. Bra and Knickers is just a figure of speak.....DUH! The veil is recent in the UK, yes, that is because women feel that they can wear it and express the way they feel about themselves. Something they were not comfortable doing many years ago. More and more people are educated in Islam where the first generation wasn't. I am not a great fan of covering up of women, but that is there choice.
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bra and knickers is more then some people wear!
cant understand roadrunner
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Exactly Vroom! If she wears a veil, she's not harming anyone! She's got gutts to walk out and be comfortable with it! She feels that she doesn't have to conform to societies 'NORMS' of looking like a woman off the cover of Vogue to be accepted!
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Most of the women that came over in the 60s from the subcontinent did not wear a veil because it was not part of their culture. It was simply a duputta on special occasions and many of the women did not wear it because they felt that the environment they were in was different to that of the subcontinent - which is correct if you could think about it.
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cant understand roadrunner
You need to understand the difference between what people do in private and what they do in public. Where do you get these guys from Gupshup?
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She doesnt have to look like Vogue to conform. That's a stereotype The norm in the UK is not bras and knickers. It is jeans, trousers, top and shoes or some dress. That is the norm, and this norm varies from country to country.
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yeah so, if they're liberal/different in private, then we enforce them to have or show same attitude in public! wierd ideology
and this shows your base belief that veil is a sign of good and purity, let down by those wearing it.
as far as your concerned, take it as fact that those good in public are good all round.
to ridicule that, like you are, shows discrimination of evil proportions.
in a world where 'vogue aspirations' is the norm,these heavenly sisters are being persecuted as a sign of content decency
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What part do you not understand? In private they probably do wear bras, knickers whatever, in public they cannot do this. What right do you have to enforce people to wear bra and knickers in public? None..right..Now the point that has confused you is that if someone were to wear a bra and knickers in public they would be arrested as it is against the norm of the country. You take the same people to Africa in bra and knickers and they will be thought of as being religious fanatics for wearing any clothes whatsoever.
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and this shows your base belief that veil is a sign of good and purity, let down by those wearing it.
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Explain this one.
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as far as your concerned, take it as fact that those good in public are good all round.
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LOL!! You really dont know much, you wouldnt last 5 minutes in public by yourself in the UK before someone realized how naive you were and then mugged you.
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to ridicule that, like you are, shows discrimination of evil proportions.
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Noone is ridiculing anything. People are saying on this thread that Jack Straw might have had a point when he said that it makes him uncomfortable talking with people when he cant see their faces. I totally understand why women wear a full face veil in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries though.
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They're not persecuted at all. They can do what they like. But it's an undeniable fact it leads to social exclusion. If one of them needs to work (for whatever reason), they might be able to find employment or government subsidy in a country like Saudi Arabia, but in the UK, not many employers are going to employ them.
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But a woman who wears a veil, head to toe, does not mean anything. Just superfically gives the impression they have high morals,
this is ridicule in my book. your negative outlook on the veil is there to be seen.
you dont agree with the fundamental right of women to wear the veil, even question the 'morals'
im in the uk by the way, the uk has always been very good regards to other cultures/religions in the past. i can also tell you that im not of the oppinion that im an outsider. im british/pakistani, and will try to influence british policies towards what i think is right and just. this current debate however has come here from europe, where the veil is being BANNED. ive heard of three places now where the veil is banned. each place puts forward a different reason.
i see no reason why jack straw cant communicate and represent the people of blackburn for who they are. its dam right rude to infringe peoples privacy. hes bang out of order
as for naivity - if this conversation was 'on the street' you'd be agreed!
i dont take the discussion of the right to veil kindly. we do not wear a national uniform. and we arnt going to
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Read what I post, if you are capable. If someone says that someone who veils is not necessary a better human being (as I was suggesting) then this is common logic. You are saying that any woman who veils (she could be a murderer or be a temperamental wearer of a veil), is necessarily a better person than one who does not veil. I disagree with you strongly, and think you are really being very superficial in how you judge women.
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you dont agree with the fundamental right of women to wear the veil, even question the 'morals'
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If a woman wants to veil it's up to her. But it will probably lead to social exclusion. I couldnt care less whether she veils. I dont know anybody that veils myself so it has no impact on me.
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im in the uk by the way, the uk has always been very good regards to other cultures/religions in the past. i can also tell you that im not of the oppinion that im an outsider. im british/pakistani, and will try to influence british policies towards what i think is right and just. this current debate however has come here from europe, where the veil is being BANNED. ive heard of three places now where the veil is banned. each place puts forward a different reason.
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You might be British Pakistani (or not be since your spelling and sentence construction is atrocious), that doesnt mean your opinion is right, it doesnt mean you have not been outside your closed circle of closed minded thinkalikes, and it doesnt mean that what you believe is always the correct and only way. You can try and influence British politics as much as you like, again I couldnt care less, but you wont get very far. The veil argument is not from abroad either. If you read what Jack Straw said he was not advocating the removal of the veil, and in fact France and Turkey only ban it from governmental institutions. In public places people can wear a veil.
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i see no reason why jack straw cant communicate and represent the people of blackburn for who they are. its dam right rude to infringe peoples privacy. hes bang out of order
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If he feels uncomfortable interviewing someone in a veil he's got every right to ask for them to remove it or just not turn carry out the interview. It was Muslims that voted him in in the last election anyway.
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as for naivity - if this conversation was 'on the street' you'd be agreed!
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Yes you're so hard I must say. You are probably one of these semi literate British Pakis that "vroom" about in their xr3i with blacked out windows that most people laugh at the puniness of it all. Probably you'd have difficulty scaring a gnat off a buffaloes rear end I'm sure!!
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i dont take the discussion of the right to veil kindly. we do not wear a national uniform. and we arnt going to
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It doesnt matter what you think. You will do as the law says or you'll be deported. Simple as that.
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you can wish what you want:D
your a geek,
who doesnt fully understand freedom or discrimination.
go away and learn this before telling me how intellectual you are and take jack straw with you
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Yes you're so hard I must say. You are probably one of these semi literate British Pakis that "vroom" about in their xr3i with blacked out windows that most people laugh at the puniness of it all.
'roadrunner' the office assistant/come yes man delivery driver says 'vroom' is a boy racer!
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A veil secludes a woman from strangers and not society in general.
That is the very purpose of the veil..Isnt it? Besides, in a society where you are allowed to bear nearly all, why cant the opposite be done without prejudice?
Such confused state of affairs we live in.....
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Such confused state of affairs we live in.....
If it only secludes or excludes a woman from strangers and not society, then you try dressing up in a head to toe veil and applying for a job in an investment bank. It's very simple you need to be able to work in a team in many jobs and anything that isolates you from the norm of the others will not be an asset. Like I said this might work in a Saudi Arabian bank (if women do work in there), it will not work in the UK. Also, if you are allowed to bare all in UK society, or at least bare all without offending some families in public, you try walking down the high street in a thong, if you have the courage of your words.
You are confused for sure.
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You are confused for sure.
This isnt exactly about employment rights, is it?
A woman having the right to cover her face is her natural right.
She understands the consequence of her actions hence she need not apply for a job in the banking sector. She would choose islamic institutions and childcare etc instead.
Her only offence was the fact that Jack forgot the charter on human rights.
Not that it really means much anymore.....
Re: Why Jack Straw wants Muslim women to remove the veil
A woman having the right to cover her face is her natural right. She understands the consequence of her actions hence she need not apply for a job in the banking sector. She would choose islamic institutions and childcare etc instead.
Her only offence was the fact that Jack forgot the charter on human rights. Not that it really means much anymore.....
Fine, then you agree that it does exclude & seclude women from certain types of jobs. Good. Now tell me, exactly what sparkling success stories of Islamic institutions we have in the UK. You'd probably get more off welfare, and that isn't the way to go.