So I was watching Miss World and its so embaressing not even seeing Pakistan represented.
I mean its a beauty contest. 108 states are there, and we cling to some medievil values for nothing.
Surely Pakistan must have at least 1 pretty woman to be able to compete. Not only is it an honour for the person concerned (I was a Miss world contestant type thing…), but also good PR for the state.
Why are our women so oppressed and ruled by the iron hands of religious extremists who fear a celebration of natural beauty.
^
since there is no one else, let ur mom/sis/wife/daughter apply for the next year's contest....
if she wont win atleast she'll enjoy the beauty of sanya....
we dont do nudity. why should we follow the world’s example. Pakistan is emerging as an outward country that holds on to its eastren values. thats what separates the west from the east… boys from the men. jai hind.
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by armughal: *
^
since there is no one else, let ur mom/sis/wife/daughter apply for the next year's contest....
if she wont win atleast she'll enjoy the beauty of sanya....
[/QUOTE]
I cant speak for any one else, but I'd let my daughter enter a Miss World contest. I dont have kids, maybe one day I will.
Its not like the human form is something to be ashamed off.
Its not like being Miss World (or even competing) is a negative.
I mean "your daughter was on TV in Miss World" is hardly an insult.
The narrow mindedness of some people of Asian origin is whats keeping our nations, well our motherlands, back.
Plus, there is no nudity involved. If men in the Muslim world cant control themselves, thats there fault. Why should the woman suffer a loss of personal freedom as a result?
^
there r better excuses to justify perversion....
u might not have a problem with ur daughter exhibiting her body to the world clad in a bikini but many do....
not just in the east, but also in the west....
How is that any different from going to the beach or for a swim?
The only ppl around in those places are ppl who are taking part, so have no quarrel with it. Or are in a position to say something about it.
That brings me on to the next point. If person A is not happy or willing to allow his own wife/daughter to compete in such a contest, he should have the moral consistancy not to watch such contests either.
Now how many Muslim blokes watched it, only later to criticise the girls involved?
Lets try to get the discussion out of personal comments. Guys, come on. I am sure you can do better than involving others' families in your retorts.
Anyway, I'd comment on the last response
[quote]
u might not have a problem with ur daughter exhibiting her body to the world clad in a bikini but many do....
not just in the east, but also in the west....
[/quote]
Quite true. Even in US, there are many organizations who are fiercly opposed to beauty paegents as they think these demean women. On the other hand, there are many others who think these are just fine competitions and much good comes out of it.
End result: Those who don't like it, don't participate in it or watch it. Those who do enjoy these, participate in them and enjoy watching them.
Thats what freedom of opinion and freedom of speech is all about. You can disagree but you don't stop others from doing something that does not harm you.
Clearly beauty paegents are against the essence of Islam. And Pakistan being the fort of Islam, can not have official sanction to any of those. With changing times, things change. I think some of the Arab countries (e.g. Lebanon or Egypt etc) will be in the forefront of progressive change, and Pakistan will meekly follow after a decade or so.
There are two additional quirks here that are discussion worthy:
There are a lot of people in Pakistan who will disagree with the whole notion of beauty paegents and will speak at the top of their voice against Pakistani girls participating in these, but these same men will gladly sit in front of televisions and ogle all these women parading in bikins when Miss World is being telecast. This is hypocricy.
Some random girl of Pakistani origin, who has lived her entire life in Europe or US suddenly decides that she wants to represent Pakistan in these shows and appears semi-nude in news reports, all on the basis of freedom of speech. And that since no one is there to represent Pakistan, then why not me? Ah well. BS argument. There should be some legitimacy to those who represent an entire country in such shows.
There are a lot of people in Pakistan who will disagree with the whole notion of beauty paegents and will speak at the top of their voice against Pakistani girls participating in these, but these same men will gladly sit in front of televisions and ogle all these women parading in bikins when Miss World is being telecast. This is hypocricy.
[/QUOTE]
This is exactly my point. I posted
[QUOTE]
Now how many Muslim blokes watched it, only later to criticise the girls involved?
[/QUOTE]
If you dont like it, keep away. But dont stop the women of Pakistan from broad ranging social freedoms, and that includes the freedom to chose to exhibit her beauty if she wants.
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Faisal: *
2. Some random girl of Pakistani origin, who has lived her entire life in Europe or US suddenly decides that she wants to represent Pakistan in these shows and appears semi-nude in news reports, all on the basis of freedom of speech. And that since no one is there to represent Pakistan, then why not me? Ah well. BS argument. There should be some legitimacy to those who represent an entire country in such shows.
[/QUOTE]
yeah, otherwise as I have stated previouslyl, I would declare myself as pakistan's jai alai and tiddly winks champion.
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by legbreakgoogly: *
If you dont like it, keep away. But dont stop the women of Pakistan from broad ranging social freedoms, and that includes the freedom to chose to exhibit her beauty if she wants.
[/QUOTE]
does india have an official participant in the miss nude competition? :)
[QUOTE]
There should be some legitimacy to those who represent an entire country in such shows.
[/QUOTE]
There is. If I am correct, you have to be a national of the nation you represent. Now given that ppl of Pak origin overseas could not represent Pak, it seems grossly unfair to not to allow the genuine Pakistani girls the opportunity to participate is such a global event and show that the women in that country to enjoy some sort of "girl power" and personal freedom.
This more then anything would assert that they have a degree of personal freedom away from the will of male family members. Its an expression of self belief. It would be like the collective voice of Pakistani women saying "WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT. WE ARE!".
does india have an official participant in the miss nude competition? :)
[/QUOTE]
Miss World?
yeah, course it does. Miss Universe too. They've won it a few times too. Now I think thats a shocker, but fair go, if the panel votes for you...
The point is, women in India too are now expressing the freedom and induvidual will and forging for themselves a place as equals in Indian society (its going to be a long process!)....but why is Pakistan hell bent on sticking to principles that make it an outcast in international society.
Shouldnt Muslim women celebrate there womanhood too?
Miss universe is not a state backed or sponsored contest, it is financed/run by private organizations. So, anyone with a little bit of Pakistani blood and not such a huge ass can compete as a Pakistani in the contest.
Parading around half naked is an expression of power? I guess porn stars are reallyyyyyyy powerful.
[/QUOTE]
Your taking it totally out of context.
Its an expression of self. In a society and culture in which women get treated like crap, it would be great for them to celebrate their womenhood, there natural beauty.
Pornstars take it a bit too far probably, but thats there choice and it is all about the freedom of choice and expression.
Dont you think Pakistani women should have the right to celebrate themselves?
Course not. But it is a powerful and open way. Private celebrations of equality, be they getting equal or better marks and careers are great, but they do not strike a blow for the feminist movement as a whole in a male dominated world.
Such contests are an expression of "we are women, we are not afraid of being open, we do not have to play second fiddle in life, we are beautiful. We choose to show our beauty to the world as a celebration of our freedom of choice and of nature".
LBG, you are wasting your time trying to convince the wood logs about the virtues of what is moral and what is not. They think a woman’s shame/honor lies inside her vagina. They give no credence to her head and brilliance. There, a woman is always judged by what she wears (or not). Dumb people have low standards in everything.
And yeah, you have to be national, and you have to first compete in regional competitions before going national or internation. I am miss Lahore.
jai hind.
