Why is Urdu the national language of Pakistan?

this is one of those discussions that end up with the mods closing the thread, either cause there's too much violence or cause there's just no end.

i think Urdu is our national language for a number of reasons. the moghuls adapted to it from Persian for the very reason why it is important today in pakistan; inter cultural communication. we all must agree that the moghuls were a smart people. they had no ego problems going with what was more practical, rich, easier and effective. why should Pakistanis? besides urdu is among one of the world's rather modrn languages and also has the honour of being among those languages who have evolved from a number of rich ancient languages. it is one of the worlds leading Muslim languages. it's a mixture opf Turkish, Arabic, Persian, Sindhi, Baluchi, Punjabi, Pashto, English, Bengali, you name it! it has a great ability to absorb local dialects and vocabulary and thus has a very vast vocabulary and treasure of words and so is one of those languages that make it very easy for the speaker to express his/her thoughts.

Quaid-e-Azam was far sighted enough to make the right decision and keep the official muslim language of the subcontinent as the official language of Pakistan. it should remain the official language.

the public in general speaks regional languages or Urdu and not English, as some peole think. the so called elite who have lost all sense of identity and belonging in the surroundings of their heaps of wealth etc are the only ones who cant say a single sentence in any of the local languages cause it's too degrading for them. all others just try to fit in and be like them, everyone wants to be among the beautiful people and that's what the media shows.

Xtreme, what have you got against Gurmukhi? Khota insaan. JadooN tu maray Hath lagya tey tayri Hajamat karsaN! SDL.

Those of you who think that making Urdu the national language was a good idea need to get your heads examined. Go talk to a Bangladeshi in Urdu. There’s no requirement for a country to have just ONE national language. It can have many. In India there are over 260 written languages. We can as easily conduct our business in Punjabi (or any other regional language) as we can in Urdu. Did you know that NYState Driving License Exam can be taken in 46 languages, including Pashtoo.

Urdu is a fine language, but it is responsible for suppressing and keeping other languages under-developed. Which is a sad state of affairs.

Keep Urdu, but also give importance to other regional languages that may become instinct. This is our heritage, rich and colorful and it should be promoted and developed. Even stupid Syrians now and again come up with new linguistic inscriptions in Arabic. Why can’t we do it?

As a Punjabi it is embarrassing to me that the finest Urdu lit has been written by us Punjabis. To Urdu speakers that's probably not an embarrassment caz they can’t produce any. But that’s OK.

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Neither do Punjabi, Sindhi and Balochi in Pakistan.

In Afghanistan Dari (Persain/Farsi) is taking over the Afghani/Pashto language just like Urdu is taking over Afghani, Punjabi, Sindhi and Balochi languages in Pakistan.

It’s the fault of our foreign bureaucrats and our own inferiority complexes.

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yeah i agree, thoug i dont know why they have made it the antional. its a beautiful language, every language infact, but our language has to be of a level too.

Yeah both, there the Persians are trying to enforce Farsi on Afghan, and here in Pashtunistan we are being done the same by Urdu.
Inshallah we will have our language of some standard.

Pashto is the oldest language of our continent. and some of modern Urdu words were created in Afghan Sultanets of Lodhis. there are heaps of Pashto words in Urdu.

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Pushtu, also known as Afghan, Pushto, Pashto, Pashtoe, Pashtu, and Pukhto is the language spoken by the ethnic Afghan otherwise known as the Pashtun people who inhabit Afghanistan and the Western provinces of Pakistan. Its ISO 639 codes are ps and pus. Pushtu is presently classified in the East Indo-Iranian branch of the Indo-European languages.

Pushtu from the time of Islam's rise in Central Asia uses a modified version of Arabic script, however, because of the Internet wide spread use of Pushtu is taking hold in the form of the Latin alphabet..

It is one of the two official languages of Afghanistan, spoken largely in the south, east and a few provinces in the north. It is spoken by more than 70% of the Afghan population who are of the Pashtoon or ethnic Afghan tribe, as well as by ethnic Afghans/Pashtuns who live on the other side of the disputed Durand Line in present day Pakistan. The langauge is believed to have originated in the Kandahar(Qandahar)/Helmand areas of Afghanistan. It has some Arabic and Persian words incorporated in it. Persian often dominates over Afghan/Pashto in Afghanistan in everyday government use since the capital was moved to Kabul from Kandahar in the 18th century.

some useful info about Pashto language.

The Pashtuns

The Pashtun (also Pushtun, Pakhtun, or ethnic Afghan) are an ethnic/religious group of people living primarily in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India who follow Pashtunwali. The Pashtuns are the world's largest partriarchal tribal group in existance.

The Pashtun people primarily speak Pashto, also known as Afghan.

The word Afghan was originally a synonym for Pashtun, and it is still the use of the word in many parts of Afghanistan and the world. Because of this etymology, the Pashtuns are often referred to as "ethnic Afghans".

By extension, ethnic Uzbeks, Hazaras, Punjabies, Turkmens, Sindhies, Kalash, Nuristani, Tajiks, Cantonese, Balochi, Bwities, and others would therefore not be ethnic Afghans, though they may in fact be credible and honorable Afghan citizens of Afghanistan.

Just as Turkey, Turkmenistan, Tajikstan, Uzbekistan and other countries were named for their historical majority ethnic group, so was Afghanistan.

The total population of the group is estimated at 35,000,000

History
The Pashtun people are considered by some to be the descendent core of the ancient Israelites (Bnai israel) who came to Khorasan and Ghor in the 8th century BC. However, it is also possible that they originated in the area of Persia. Since that time they have mixed with numerous other tribes including Aryan, Turk, Greek and others.

Pashtun kings and leaders have many times in the past ruled over some of the areas now comprising Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.

The British identified the Pashtuns as one of the martial races of the Indian Subcontinent and usually referred to them as Pathans. Most consider this terminology to be highly highly offensive.

The 19th century partition of Afghan lands by the British remains a point of contention for Pashtun leaders with the West up to today.

Afghan governments, from the Durrani Empire to the Taliban to Hamid Karzai, the current President of Afghanistan, have traditionally been dominated by Pashtuns.

Traditionally, Pashtuns have cooperated well with other ethnic groups in Afghanistan and most Pashtuns in Afghanistan are bi or trilingual: speaking Persian or Tajik in addition to Afghan.

Culture
Throughout Pashtun history the warrior has been the most revered member of society. The term 'Pakhto' or 'Pashto' from which they derive their name is not merely the name of their language, but the name of a honour code and religion. The main tenets of 'Pakhto' or formally known as Pashtunwali are:
Hospitality and asylum to all guests seeking help.
Justice: Ancient Israelite Moses' Law, Tooth for a Tooth.
Defense of 'Zan, Zar and Zameen' i.e Women/Family, Treasury and Property.
Personal Independence. Pashtuns are fiercely independent and there is a lot of internal competition.

Most decisions in tribal life are made by a 'Jirga' or 'Senate' of elected elders and wise men.

Although the Pashtun people are extremely protective of their womenfolk from prying 'foreign' eyes, in the home women are undeniably in-charge and society is very matriarchal. All Pashtun men are extremely close to their mothers and indeed they are encouraged to espouse the virtues of a chivalrous warrior by their mothers.

Pashtun heritage and Pashtunwali is transmitted through an oral tradition passed down from parents to children. For example mothers often tell their children that a Pashtun boy was once asked to get his mother a glass of water while she lay in bed. On his return his mother had fallen asleep so the boy stayed awake all night waiting for her to wake up so that he could give her the glass of water. He did not want to disturb her by waking her up.

Mothers are generally very tough on their male children when it comes to being well-mannered.

Institutions
The Pashtuns are predominantly a tribal people, however, increasing numbers now dwell in cities and urban settlements. Many still identify themselves with various clans.

Major Pashtun tribes include:
Afridi
Bangash
Barakzai
Khattak
Lodhi
Masud
Marwat
Niazi
Orakzai
Wazir
Shinwari
Kakar
Mohamedzai
Yousafzai

Request to mods. Close this thread now. There can be no agreement on this issue.

Whether it is the national language or not urdu should continue to be taught in Pakistan. When everyone puts aside their local prejudices then it's clear that it's a great way for people across a large area of the subcontinent to communicate, just as English is. There's no need to throw out the baby with the bathwater, instead teach regional languages in the respective regions as well. Therefore Punjabi can be taught in Punjab, Pashto can be taught in Peshawar and so on. Tribal areas of FATA can teach whatever the hell they like, although blowing up schools might make that task a bit harder.

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yeah i agree, thoug i dont know why they have made it the antional. its a beautiful language, every language infact, but our language has to be of a level too.

Yeah both, there the Persians are trying to enforce Farsi on Afghan, and here in Pashtunistan we are being done the same by Urdu.
Inshallah we will have our language of some standard.

Pashto is the oldest language of our continent. and some of modern Urdu words were created in Afghan Sultanets of Lodhis. there are heaps of Pashto words in Urdu.
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what the hell is pashtunistan anywayz? Get it over your head, there is no pashunistan, if youre talking about the soviet/indian backed pakhtunistan issue of the 50s, may I remind you that it is 2004 today.

Isnt it amazing to see each and every chump (who by the way belong to the anti-pakistani clan of GS), from punjabi to afghani trying to emphasize the importance of his provincial language, be it punjabi or pashtu to be the national language. You expect the Sindhis to remain quiet if Pujabi or Pushtu is made the official language? How is a nation supposed to remain homegenous without one national language?

pk taz, what the hell do you mean by Afghani? There is more than one language spoken there in Afghanistan, and how is it our problem? They can speak whatever they want over there. You yourself said only 8% of the total population of Pakistan speak Urdu and are now saying its taking over and consuming the other languages. Atleast try not to contradict yourself. And Mr. Spoonkhai, this thread is about Urdu as the national language of Pakistan, not about Pashtuns, so spare us the lectures on pashtuns and their tribes.

p.s. pashtuns and pakhtuns are different.

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Really? Care to shed some light? How does speaking slightly different dialects make them different people? Seems like another pathetic attempt to divide an ethnicity.

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Go back to afghanistan if you think that way. Pakhtuns belong to Pakistan, have opted for Pakistan, Pashtuns belong to Afghanistan. It is you hate mongers who have always tried to divide Pakistan. I remember you created a thread saying how Jinnah made a blunder by making Pakistan. This thread is another attempt. As for Afghanistan, it consists other ethnicities too, they are also Afghans, not just Pashtuns. This is off topic, and is worthless to talk about anwayz, just like your little imaginary pakhtunistan talk.

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Afghanistan was once the shrine of Pashto, it’s a beautiful language and needs to be preserved…
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Well duh, what has afghanistna done to preserve the language? Son, all languages are beautiful and need to be preserved, Pashtu is no exception. Since Afghanistan is heading back to the cavemen-era, you can count on Pakistan lone to preserve the language.

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You are about 30 years late for this sarhad baney ga Afghanistan crap. What can the worn torn nation of Afghanistan offer to Sarhad anywayz?

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I know that already but does Pakistan belong to them?? No cuz if it had done they would be allowed to name their province after their ethnicity Pashtunistan, Pakhtunistan or at least Pathanistan.

Pakistan has always used Pashtuns for it's benefit and the Pashtuns have let them.
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Im glad you are now showing your true hatred for Pakistan. Munney, like you failed to realize in Afghanistan, there is more to just Pakhtuns or 'Pathans' (then you say the term is deregatory) in NWFP, which is precisely why it shouldnt be named on just one ethnicity. Why is it when the name Khyber was suggested, tum loogon ki haath me aagayi thi? You cannot agree to a name that spans all the ethnicities there?

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They (Tajiks, Hazaras etc.) are Afghanistanis not Afghans.
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They are as much Afghans as Pashtuns.

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An identity.

Something which Pakistan couldn't give to anyone.

Just look at some Pakistanis, na udhar ke na idhar ke.
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Yeah nice identity indeed. Go out and tell everyone you are an Afghani, to someone in the west, its no different from shouting, hey im a terrorist!

As for Pakistan, there will always be nashukras in the country, whining and complaining even after 50+ years. Too bad you will always be a vocal minority