I am talking about Urdu but actually it is true for many other languages, like Punjabi, Sindhi, Gujrati, Bengali.
I know there are thousands of words from Aryan languages in Urdu. Especially Aryan languages of Sanskrit and Persian.
But having words from other languages does not change the origin of a language. Thus English similarly has thousands of Latin/French words but its origin is Germanic, and so it is still called a Germanic language. Urdu/Hindustani belongs to Indus Valley. Just because it is replete with words from Sanskrit and Persian, it does not mean that it should be called an Aryan language.
It is considered Aryan in that many scholars believe Aryans to have orignally been the "Persians" and since Urdu uses a lot of Persian influences it becomes part of the "Aryan" languages at least in linguistic terms.
Though why should one race have so much importance I cant understand.
Like Ali_Syed has also pointed out its hard to truly define what Aryan is anymore since its been so corrupted by people. Frankly I dont belive a lot of the super race nonsense and even Persians or modern Iranians dont gloat about Aryan roots, or those who do are mere fringe people who are always going to be the hard liners on the right as in all cultures.
If we see the invasions in the subcontinent most of them have been from Central Asia and Persia, and then the Arab invasion. First of all we need to establish if Sanskrit is an aryan language or not, because if you add arabic, persian and turkish words in Sanskrit you get Urdu, Punjabi, Sindhi, Seraiki languages. More than European languages our languages have words but from areas in our neighbourhood and not from Europe.
The Europeans somehow want to own up the civilization of the subcontinent, although soan valley civilization (near Rawalpindi) existed around 500000 BCE, mehrgarh (7000-2500 BCE) near balochistan, Indus valley civilization 2500 BC and Alexander came around 326 BC.
All Aryans came from outside, got mixed with local people (Indus Valley people), and this gave rise to the present population of Northern India and Eastern Pakistan.
But the Indus Valley people were already speaking languages which Sanskrit speaking Aryans called prakrits.
Urdu is one such “Prakrit” (local language), which eventually absorbed words from Sanskrit, and later absorbed words from Persian and other languages.
There is no such evidence of aryans coming from Europe, this theory seems to assert European supremacy. See the history of the whole region other than Greeks who came in 326 BC the rest of the invasions were from the neighboring regions.
There is no such evidence of aryans coming from Europe, this theory seems to assert European supremacy. See the history of the whole region other than Greeks who came in 326 BC the rest of the invasions were from the neighboring regions.
True that the word 'Aryan' is synonymous to being white but Aryans were not originally from Europe at all. They are believed to have originated in Central Asia (Caucasia).
From there some of their tribes migrated to west and became Europeans, while some migrated to south and became Iranians (Medes, Persians, Tajiks, Pashtuns). Some of those Iranians went further east to India. They are called Indo-Iranians. These Indo-Iranians were speaking Sanskrit (which is close to Old Persian), and they mixed with locals in this region. These local people were black Indus Valley people.
The mixture of white Indo-Iranians and black Indus Valley people resulted in present population of this region. This is why North Indians and Eastern Pakistanis have so many different shades of skin. It is because we are a mix.
The combining of people also combined the religions of the two people. This resulted in what we now call Hinduism. And since Hinduism has origins from outside India, therefore it shares many gods with ancient Iranians.
Indo-Iranians made their language, Sanskrit, the sacred language of their religion (Hinduism), and looked at the local languages (prakrits) with disdain. Prakrits also accepted the superiority of Sanskrit and absorbed thousands of words from Sanskrit.
Urdu is one such prakrit which has absorbed lots of words from Indo-Iranian Sanskrit language. But this does not change the fact that Urdu is a local language of this region (a prakrit).
It is considered Aryan in that many scholars believe Aryans to have orignally been the "Persians" and since Urdu uses a lot of Persian influences it becomes part of the "Aryan" languages at least in linguistic terms.
Yes, but this does not change the origins of Urdu. And the origin of Urdu is neither Persian nor Sanskrit. Instead it is Indus Valley.
The script is distincly persian and the way it is spoken closely resembles persian, what makes it unique to the indus valley and if that were the case it would be universally spoken in the Indus Valley which it is not. It only emerged when the Mughals (Mongols) invaded persia and changed the Chagatai language to Persian and mixed it with Indian languages to create Urdu. Hindi is only different in the way its written most of the words are the same.
its because hitler spoke urdu. mein kampf was originally called mein chotu.
and urdu’s origin is the indus valley? i thought the big two from the indus valley are the punjabi languages, and sindhi. urdu/hindi/hindustani is from the gangetic plain.
edit: yeah, what my turkic friend said above estas la verdad, que bueno!
Urdu is from the Mogol and Persian worde Hordu from which the English get the Word Horde. Certainly fits the bill of a "lashkari" language, I always thought Sindhi was a much older and more complex dialect and I did not realise it has a 52 piece alphabet thats quite complex indeed although perhaps not as bad as Kanji from Japan.
Yes, but this does not change the origins of Urdu. And the origin of Urdu is neither Persian nor Sanskrit. Instead it is Indus Valley.
Not true. Origins of Urdu stem from the invasions of the Indian Subcontinent by the Turk dynasties in th 11th century, I believe. The Mughals, who were also Chagtai, later adopted Persian, which was primarily the language of poetry and literature. Throw in the influences from Arabic and Sanskrit, and thus you have what we now speak today. Urdu is by inception, a total "camp" language, which continued to develop under the Mughal empire.
i thought the big two from the indus valley are the punjabi languages, and sindhi. urdu/hindi/hindustani is from the gangetic plain.
