…Most people on GS will openly condemn Muslims for the actions of a few.
Yet refuse to condemn ISAF and NATO for killing Muslims?
Why is that?
Oh yes if you are offended by my question and implication, then you are the people I am referring too.
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That’s because we muslims are weak in our iman and like to generalize everything. It’s almost like we are ashamed of our religion and cannot separate people from religion. (Again a generalization 
, but I hope you get my point)
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because they are
small crockery,
chooty paandy 
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CM ko roza lug rahaa hai aaj
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That's because we muslims are weak in our iman and like to generalize everything.
this generalization included?
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LOL, see I just proved my point 
Queer, go away 
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well the original post is a generalization too. what "most people on GS" condemn muslims? meh.. this is cheap and misleading flame bait. bright career waiting for you in desi journalism, CM.
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well the original post is a generalization too. what "most people on GS" condemn muslims? meh.. this is cheap and misleading flame bait. bright career waiting for you in desi journalism, CM.
ditto.
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....Most people on GS will openly condemn Muslims for the actions of a few.
Yet refuse to condemn ISAF and NATO for killing Muslims?
Why is that?
Oh yes if you are offended by my question and implication, then you are the people I am referring too.
Have you ever thought that the "actions of a few" could be the cause of killings by ISAF or NATO. Why are they in Afghanistan or Iraq in the first place?
Weren't those actions of the few who caused so much hatred for Islam and Muslims throughout the world?
And BTW we can't do anything to ISAF or NATO so there is no point condemning them so we have to do what we can do i.e. clean the garbage from amongst us that causes all that trouble.
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Have you ever thought that the "actions of a few" could be the cause of killings by ISAF or NATO. *Why are they in Afghanistan or Iraq in the first place? * Weren't those actions of the few who caused so much hatred for Islam and Muslims throughout the world?
Good question, why are they in Iraq?
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And BTW we can't do anything to ISAF or NATO so there is no point condemning them..
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Um. Are you for real?
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....Most people on GS will openly condemn Muslims for the actions of a few.
Yet refuse to condemn ISAF and NATO for killing Muslims?
Why is that?
Oh yes if you are offended by my question and implication, then you are the people I am referring too.
Because what the NATO and ISAF are doing is in their interests. I wouldn't condemn the killing of Americans or the English or even Iranians and Iraqis if Pakistan achieved some benefit from the act. The actions of the fanatic, so called "Muslims" hurt the Ummah as a whole. Cold hearted, but that's how the world works.
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Good question, why are they in Iraq?
Because the invaders or crusaders cashed in on the hatred against Islam fueled by our dear extremists.
I don't say its 100% our fault, but we must do our bit and clean our own house instead of crying foul of them which won't stop any of these atrocities.
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Popular media .
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Have you ever thought that the "actions of a few" could be the cause of killings by ISAF or NATO. Why are they in Afghanistan or Iraq in the first place? .
A circular argument. The 'few' claim they do what they do because of the policies of the West.
History is written by the victors. If 'the few' were strong enough, the world would call NATO terrorists.
For the people at GS....something like this goes in Urdu... Shah sey barh key shah key wafadar.....
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why don’t WE generalize NATO/ISAF then? oh let me think .. because the western media which is brain washing us does not present which makes us generalize them .. right?
When will we use our brain .. which is not washed by media!
and you got OFFENDED! .. .. so now I know who CM is referring to!
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The same crew the same lack of a response. But its okay. They usually don't respond with anything substantive in the first place.
And just to elaborate on my original point:
- We condemn Muslims and Islam for the actions of terrorist.
- Yet these same people do not condemn Americans of NATO for the actions of their troops.
In both cases the few impact the many. Yet only one group is condemned.
Double standards.
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The same crew the same lack of a response. But its okay. They usually don't respond with anything substantive in the first place.
And just to elaborate on my original point:
- We condemn Muslims and Islam for the actions of terrorist.
- Yet these same people do not condemn Americans of NATO for the actions of their troops.
In both cases the few impact the many. Yet only one group is condemned.
Double standards.
Gross generalization on your part to say that the most condemn Muslims and Islam for the acts of a few. I personally think most people use a lot of care to distinguish between the acts of terrorists who have perverted Islam versus Islam and Muslims generally. Don't forget, if most were to condemin Muslims or Islam for the acts of a few, it would reflect back on the individual poster since most of posting on this board are themselves Muslim.
The issue is whether people consider the war or conflict to be just. In the first scenario, namely the acts of terrorists, people look at the legitimacy/rationality of the acts of violence. If it's wrong, you call the act wrong. In this latter scenario, the NATO-led war - when the conflict itself has been deemed a just war meant to resolve the conflict, the death of the innocents while unfortunate in every situation, does not necessarily negate whether the war itself is just and people would not be quick to condemn the Americans for the acts of their troops.
There is a caveat to the comment above insofar when there have been reports of gross negligence or outright abuse of power by the troops, you have had people condemn the acts of the troops and oversight over the troops. But thus far, the reports of abuse by the NATO troops has never registered as being so egregious that people relate it back to the legitimacy of the war and the American people for supporting the continuation of the war.
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- I am sorry you haven't been reading the threads have you. I can't help with that little problem of yours. I can name 10 people on this forum and one of two of them run the show. If you want I can link the threads from WA.
- War is never just. Its only those who live in the confines of a peaceful environment who can make such ****ing retarded statements. The killing of innocents is never collateral damage. The killing of innocents deserves more than an apology.
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The same crew the same lack of a response. But its okay. They usually don't respond with anything substantive in the first place.
And just to elaborate on my original point:
- We condemn Muslims and Islam for the actions of terrorist.
- Yet these same people do not condemn Americans of NATO for the actions of their troops.
In both cases the few impact the many. Yet only one group is condemned.
Double standards.
I repeat. The killing done by the US/NATO troops benefits their home countries. The Taliban do not benefit their country or the Muslim World as a whole. That does not mean that I don't condemn the US for killing innocent people, merely that the Taliban are idiots and the Americans are playing it all very nicely.
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- I am sorry you haven't been reading the threads have you. I can't help with that little problem of yours. I can name 10 people on this forum and one of two of them run the show. If you want I can link the threads from WA.
No, I haven't been taking copious notes on which posters condemn all Muslims and Islam for the acts of a few - so I don't have a running tally on whether they represent the "most" you refer to. Maybe we should run a poll to decide one way or other whether it is most posters or not.
- War is never just. Its only those who live in the confines of a peaceful environment who can make such ****ing retarded statements. The killing of innocents is never collateral damage. The killing of innocents deserves more than an apology.
If war is never just, then jihad itself should be a sin - shouldn't it? Taking up arms for an unjust jihad is akin to inviting suicide which is also a sin. I would never minimize the deaths of the innocents, but the death of innocents is caused by both modern warfare and acts of terrorism.