What the hell is wrong with these Wahabis. First they say that Muhammad died a normal death and then they won’t allow us to visit his grave. Why? There is not even a sign of where Imam Hassan or Bibi Fatima is buried in the Baqee Cemetery. The grave is protected with guards with rifles. This is our prophet (pbuh). And the wahabis show him this type of treatment.
Can you name the city/country.
I visited Madina 5 years ago, didnt see any rifle bearing men.
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Fanatic, the reason that the Prophet's grave is guarded by armed men is because there are too many "devoted" people that will fall to their knees and cry and wail and make a spectacle of themselves as well as the memory of the Prophet if they were allowed to actually see and touch the grave.
I dont know from where you got such an information. I have visited both Makkah and Madina very recently and there are no security personnel gaurding with rifles inside the Masjid-e-Nabwi. The grave is actually gaurded by the unarmed gaurds and also they are not from the police or armed forces. They are specially appointed and very religious persons. Though the police security is present outside but to keep such a big gathering almost throughout the year it is a must.
the guards didnt have rifles as far as i can remember but to share a personal experience with u guys.
i was sitting in the ridwa next to a pillar. it had beautiful designs on it. the paint was awesome. it was shining and it looked like it had just been painted. so i just touched it. nothing was in my head. just a blank mind as always. i touched the paint by reflex. my finger hadnt come off the design and this uniformed person comes and catches me by the shoulder. i was scared shitless cuz u know its not my country and this uniformed person comes and all of a sudden starts saying stuff in a very rude manner in arabic. i understand arabic so i understood that he was telling me something to the extent of - "why r u touching it? do u want tabarruk from it?" and so on. i didnt respond cuz i was too scared. i was 13 then. go figure!
other stuff i have seen is that if u ask anytihng from the Prophet (SAWS) they catch u and turn u and say ask from Allah.
Another thing that is true is that all the holy graves in Baqee used to be a bit higher than the ground and it was marked where which sahaba had been buried. when the saudi government came to power they broke it all down. GO FIGURE!
anither thing... it seems that they tried to break the Prophet (SAWS) 's grave too but workers kept getting paralysed or some other thing would happen to them. so they gave up on that.
I agree with aahmad finally on something!!!
One more thing if there is a security there i dont think there is as many of you have told us. But if there is such thing as security, there is big reason for it i ll let you know it when i have the full detail of the story i was gona tell you!
What does Wahabis have to with mohammads grave? He did died normal death! what do you think happened to him? READ HADITH PLEASE DONT JUST JUMP TO CONLUSIONS!
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
You have to be careful because you may be idol worshiping which is strictly forbidden in the Quran. Allah is the giver of all things and you have to ask him for everything. If you want to feel close to the prophet follow the message he propagated and don't turn graves into shrines etc - strictly forbidden in the Quran.
012.106: And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!
What is the black stone in Makkah ? I have heard it is shaped like a Shiv-ling ??
THanks Jaawan, finally agree with you, kinda nice, isn't it?
Yea aahmad it is nice kinda!!! Camilli your very right there!!!
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
Yes, wahaabism is unfortunately the state-religion of Saudi Arabia. They are known for there disrespect for Our Master sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam.
Hadith (meaning):
Whoever comes to Haj but does not visit my rawda [roza mubaarak] has done a great zulm on me
Hadith:
Allah is the Provider and I AM THE DISTRIBUTOR.
sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam.
Assalatu wa assalamu alayka Ya Habib Allah!
Paani paani kar gayee mujh ko Qalandar ki yeh baat:
Tu jo jhuka ghair ke aagay, na man tea, na tan
mr. asif it is a shame that you do not know any thing about the hadith and you are displaying it here to all the people.
I AM NOT A WAHABI.
but i can not tolarate anything said
against my prophet (pbuh)
the hadiths you have mentioned are not true
at all. could just tell me the name of the book you read this from . i guess you heard it from some fake mulla whose job is to destroy the people's beliefs,just for his own good.
these are the mullas who bring up hatret amoung people with making this kind of fake hadiths.and fighting with others of their kind. and making new firkas.stupid and illiterate people start believing them and thus they move away from their religion and making their god angry(naraaz).
what you said about the saudi goverment is also wrong.
they have been ruling the state for years
now tell me one thing
will allah give his mosque (the kaaba)and his prophet's grave into wrong people's hands so that they can do what ever they want there.
NO NOT AT ALL.
as for the 1st hadith you mentioned it totally wrong because no where in the hadith books is this mentioned that it will be a zulm on the prophet(pbuh)and it is necessaryfor every one to go there
hajj is comlete in mecca and arafat.
it has nothing to do with madina but you can go there if you want to visit the prophet's(pbuh) grave.
same is the case with umra.
as for the second hadith allah is the only provider and he is the only distributer
he gives whomever he wants whatever he wants.
and it is shirk to say that someone else does the job which allah him self does.
may allah show you the right way and make you judge whats bad and whats good
agr koi baat pardh ker ghusa aa gaya ho to maaf ker dena bhai
and by the way guys, how do you make all those faces.
U Mean to say that The Prophet(SWT) said to the people to visit his Roza even when he was alive. (Astakhfir-ul-Allah), kindly give me the reference from where you got this Hadith.
As for the second hadith too, I don't know about is this hadith real, but you just seem to have mentioned one line from the hadith, this could have been said on any other occassion, and you have taken this one line and are mis-interpreting it.... Kindly give the whole hadith with reference, from where and when it was said.
Saleebi jangon ki waqt kuch logon ne sorang khud kar jisme mubarak ko chorana chaha tha, sorang itni qareeb phonch gai thi ke Hazrat Umar ke paon nazar agia tha, woh log pakrae gae oor us ke baad se hifazat ka intezaam shoro howa.
Asif your so ignorent and full of BULL. Why do you say something about others when you dont even know anything about them!!! READ THE BOOKS OF ISLAM( hadith and quran)! Then show me if that hadith which i didnt really understood is in there, or most of the things that are happening in pakistan, are they in hadith or quran and now you jumping up and down and calling something wrong which you have no knowledge of shame on you man!!!
Wahabi and sunni:
No group actually calls itself Wahabis. However, people may call some of those
who express certain views as Wahabis, which is a name supposed to refer to the followers of Imam Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab who was a great reformer and scholar. He lived in Najd
over 200 years ago and worked hard to eradicate all innovations from Islamic worship. Such innovations had crept into the practices of Muslim communities due to ignorance and long periods of decline undergone by Muslim communities. He maintained that the example of the
Prophet i.e. the Sunnah should be followed diligently. There is no disagreement among
scholars that this is required of every Muslim. It is unfortunate that some of the practices which Imam Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab spoke very strongly against still persist in some Muslim communities. These include such terrible practices as visiting the graves of supposedly saintly people and asking the dead to intervene with Allah on behalf of the visitor for any purpose. Such a practice Islam shuns, since it is a manifestation of associating partners with Allah. Imam
Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab belonged to the Sunni Muslims who, by virtue of their name,
should follow the Sunnah, or the example, set by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) with
diligence. Hence, it is wrong to classify Muslims as Wahabis and Sunnis, since the followers of Imam Abdulwahhab belong to the Sunni group of Muslims. Those who insist on following the Sunnah of the Prophet
diligently should have the patience to teach their fellow Muslims, with respect and compassion, that some of their practices are unacceptable from the Muslim point of view. Had they done so, they would find better response by other Muslims.
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
umm I was in Madina 2 years ago...I was in the Prophet's Masjid...and I went to the sectioned off area where he is buried with 2 other Caliphs next to him....I believe they are Umar and Abu Bakr....Peace Be Upon All of Them.
umm from my knowledge..women are not allowed in grave yards because they become "naked"
umm well the reasons why they have tight security is because ppl go "crazy" in the sense that they are doing bida (i think thats what its called). Ppl pray to what the Prophet has touched and not the the One Above.
someone correct me if I'm wrong :)
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Hina,
You mean women nude dance around the graves ??
Now thats interesting.
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With all due respect, I would like to ask a question: why is it that non-Muslims are not allowed to visit Muslim holy lands (Mecca and Madina). While one can be an Atheist and still be able to go to the West Wall, the seats of Christianity, the Hindu Holy shrines, Shinto temples, etc.
I would very much like to go and see (and experience) Khana Kaba, Madina, and other Islamic holy places. I have seen documentaries on Madina and surrounding villages where earlier battles of Islam took place. These places look awfully attractive. The bazaars surrounding Khana Kaba seem very inviting. The first mosque ever built (outside of Madina) looks beautiful, and the date tree that still stands near that mosque.
Is it true that Towaf (circling round Khana Kaba) has never stopped since the death of Prophet Mohammed? I have been told that worshippers only stop at the prayer time. Must be a magnificent site.
My opinion about visiting graves for seeking spiritual blessing: I think Camille made a good point. By idolizing graves demeans the greatness attached to the deceased. They don’t need you banging your head on their grave. Just a simple (and sincere) thought should suffice. It is only an opinion. I apologize if it is against your beliefs.
In terms of making it a law what to do at the grave. That is also no-good. No one should have any rights to make laws regarding spirituality. It is between the giver and the seeker. One’s connection to others should be no-one-else’s business. If some people find solace in kissing the gravesite, so be it. If spirituality is what one seeks, why restrict the ways of achieving it. This may be contrary to my first belief. But I am a big believer of “fewer laws”, and greater personal choices.
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