why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

[ak47]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

:nono3: islam haters = jealous and bitter

[Seminole]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

No one here has said they hate Islam, so stop playing victim.

But here’s a formula for you anyway:
:nono: western haters = begrudging and jaundiced

[metromomma]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

@pakjangjoo

Maybe it doesn’t, but if it is part of the social fabric then you or anyone other person has no right to remove it. Poking your nose in other people’s affairs by sending 120,000 troops to impose your social values is in itself a step towards mediaeval barbarism. And it’s surprisingly supported by Christianity, which is supposed to have civilised the savages of Europe.

You just don’t get it. It’s not christianity which is going to Iraq but one man’s stupidity. But people like Osama use the religion card, that is what is scary.

Aesthetics is not the criterion. It’s morality which in my opinion is a social construct, based on consensus in society. People cannot be allowed to do whatever they like according to their own aesthetic criteria. Otherwise, there would be no justification for planning laws.

And you are the best judge of morality? The 2 billion who have other ideas of morality are fools?

What you’re saying is that it’s because of Islam that Pakistan is lawless. This just shows how ignorant you are of Pakistan’s history. How can you explain the lawlessness that prevailed in the Wild West? Wasn’t the racist discrimination and brutality against blacks in America and indeed in South Africa much worse than any of the lawlessness seen in Pakistan? Wasn’t your destruction of Cambodia, the carpet bombing with agent orange, the massacres of thousands of people, was any of that beneficial to mankind?

MY destruction of Cambodia? Whoa, now who has the gall of accusing baselessly.
You’re talking of the past, I’m talking of present, and that too if the spread of Islam is a wonderful thing. The spreading of any religion and it’s fundamental ideas is a bad thing, IMO.

doesn’t it work like that? If you look at the Constitutions of any country or any international bills or rights or documents on human rights, you will see that free speech is not an unlimited right. For example have a look at Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights: (http://www.hri.org/docs/ECHR50.html):

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. this right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or the rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

Public safety and health are one thing, having apostasy laws another. And those poor gays who will be told to take their act elsewhere!

what makes you think it makes a difference to me? what made you assume that I am a Muslim? this just shows what a prejudiced bigot you are. I am an agnostic. I do not follow any religion. And you have the gall to hurl that accusation at me. What made you think I get my “jollies” from thinking “Islam is the fastest spreading”?

Why so angry? Take a deep breath. You sound just as prejudiced and bigotted. It’s not the UN debate.

[simplymanwa]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

allah ka hukam hai kay jasay jasay doosary mazahib progress karain gay us say tazi say islam baray ga

[simplymanwa]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

yeh aik wazah haqeeqat hai kay islam us waqat taizi say baray ga jab qiamat qarib aa jay gi aur bilashuba aur bohat si nishanian hamaray samanay hain laiken shayad hamari aankhon per pati bandh gaee hai kayhamain apnay muslims per zulamo sitam nazar nahin ata aur ata hai to phir bhi hum andha dhund mugharib ki taqleed kion kartay hain allah hum sub ko apnay hifzoaman main rakhay

[pakjangjoo]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

@metromomma

You just don’t get it. It’s not christianity which is going to Iraq but one man’s stupidity. But people like Osama use the religion card, that is what is scary.

I’m glad that you accept that.

@metromomma

And you are the best judge of morality? The 2 billion who have other ideas of morality are fools?

It’s not one person’s moral opinion that counts. I’m not saying my moral opinion should be the source of law. What matters is the society’s opinion, i.e. the opinion of the 2 billion you mention. They’ll most probably converge on the basics, e.g. that it’s wrong to murder. There will be grey areas but that’s how it is with morality. The term social morals does convey something of substance. It’s not just a slogan used to cover up a hidden agenda.

@metromomma

MY destruction of Cambodia? Whoa, now who has the gall of accusing baselessly.
You’re talking of the past, I’m talking of present, and that too if the spread of Islam is a wonderful thing. The spreading of any religion and it’s fundamental ideas is a bad thing, IMO.

The spreading of religion is not a bad thing provided it is not exploited for political purposes.

@metromomma

Public safety and health are one thing, having apostasy laws another. And those poor gays who will be told to take their act elsewhere!

I never said that apostasy laws are justified. There is no apostasy law in Pakistan, nor will there ever be. As for gays, they’ll be allowed to do it behind closed doors, but certainly no parades or marriages. That’s nothing but an affront to the values of society, and persuade me why it should not be stopped.

[metromomma]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

@pakjangjoo

I never said that apostasy laws are justified. There is no apostasy law in Pakistan, nor will there ever be. As for gays, they’ll be allowed to do it behind closed doors, but certainly no parades or marriages. That’s nothing but an affront to the values of society, and persuade me why it should not be stopped.

Pakistan is more a democracy, but ther are apostasy laws in Saudi Arabia if I’m not mistaken. If the majority of world population became muslim do we have a guarantee that it is going to be a modern, enlightened form of Islam that will be followed? And what are the benefits anyway? Nasa and Sun Microsoft are in the US, not Iran! What is in Iran are ayotollahs and buqas, and some very nice people who are brow beaten with religion.

gays are not subhuman. Have you ever met one? all the ones I have met are highly intelligent and successful people. to them they are normal and we are not.

[pakjangjoo]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

@metromomma

Pakistan is more a democracy, but ther are apostasy laws in Saudi Arabia if I’m not mistaken. If the majority of world population became muslim do we have a guarantee that it is going to be a modern, enlightened form of Islam that will be followed? And what are the benefits anyway? Nasa and Sun Microsoft are in the US, not Iran! What is in Iran are ayotollahs and buqas, and some very nice people who are brow beaten with religion.

gays are not subhuman. Have you ever met one? all the ones I have met are highly intelligent and successful people. to them they are normal and we are not.

The fact that South America has become Christian has not resulted in it producing NASA rockets and Microsoft. Africa is mostly animist Christian in the South, West and Center, but how many gadgets does it produce? On the other hand, Japan and China are neither Islamic nor Christian, but see how advanced they are technologically. It’s nothing to do with religion. You should first accept this.

I’m not saying gays are subhuman. In England there are laws banning gays from promoting gayism. There’s nothing wrong with preventing the spread of gayism.

[metromomma]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

@pakjangjoo

The fact that South America has become Christian has not resulted in it producing NASA rockets and Microsoft. Africa is mostly animist Christian in the South, West and Center, but how many gadgets does it produce? On the other hand, Japan and China are neither Islamic nor Christian, but see how advanced they are technologically. It’s nothing to do with religion. You should first accept this.

Yes nothing to do with religion unless people allow religion to poke its nose in personal/state affairs, something muslims dont mind. All successful countries do not let religion get in the way. If SA is not producing rockets it’s because the people there are more interested in dancing, drugs and easy life. Personal choice. But many Iranians have no choice, they have to get out of Iran if they want to have a certain kind of freedom. Now don’t give exaple of N Korea and its commieness resulting in same thing - we are discussing if spread of Islam is good news, something which you still haven’t discussed.

I’m not saying gays are subhuman. In England there are laws banning gays from promoting gayism. There’s nothing wrong with preventing the spread of gayism.

I agree, right now we are not ready to have gayism promoted, but if 2 gays want to get married its not promotion, just a human response to loving someone.

[Captain1]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

I don't know whether we should really take any pride in "fastest" growing religion at all. Does anybody know the statistics of Muslims who landed in US as Muslims and cannot be found in any Mosque praying? They keep the Muslim names as the tradition goes, but really, how good a Muslim are they? They may not be leaving Islam per se, but not practising your religion is worse than leaving your religion IMO.

[pakjangjoo]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

@metromomma

Yes nothing to do with religion unless people allow religion to poke its nose in personal/state affairs, something muslims dont mind. All successful countries do not let religion get in the way. If SA is not producing rockets it’s because the people there are more interested in dancing, drugs and easy life. Personal choice. But many Iranians have no choice, they have to get out of Iran if they want to have a certain kind of freedom. Now don’t give exaple of N Korea and its commieness resulting in same thing - we are discussing if spread of Islam is good news, something which you still haven’t discussed.

I was not discussing whether the spread of Islam is a good thing. When I made the first response to your post (abt movies etc) I merely touched upon some tangential issues (i.e. what the situation would be in a Muslim country). But you’re now introducing entirely irrelevant issues such as whether Iranians have freedom. I personally don’t know, and don’t care. I’ve never been to Iran, don’t know much about it, and am not in the least prepared to take your word on it. I can give you other examples, but I’m not making any comment on whether Islam spreading is a good thing, because as I said I have no opinion on it and don’t take any “jollies” from it, as you shamelessly accused me of doing.
Personal choice in SA? Are you sure about that? Have you ever been to Columbia? Fat lot of personal choice you’ve got there!

@metromomma

I agree, right now we are not ready to have gayism promoted, but if 2 gays want to get married its not promotion, just a human response to loving someone.

It’s not. A marriage is a public act, it is a public ceremony, conducted in the full glare of public observation. It is an edifying experience for other people, and it is this public participation that lends sanctity to marriage; hence marriage is as public an act as you can get. By corrupting the essential nature of marriage you’re emptying it of all public significance. You’re twisting its essence, which is the conjugal union of male and female, into something perverse.

[farikhta]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

I don’t see why there’s a big fuss on this issue. If you’ve clicked on this link, http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/ it says " Fast-growing Islam winning ** converts ** in ** Western World **. People don’t just “Blindly” convert into a religion. There’s obviously something more to be offered in Islam. Either that or the converts in the west have gone crazy.

[metromomma]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

@pakjangjoo

..as you shamelessly accused me of doing.

You’re twisting its essence, which is the conjugal union of male and female, into something perverse.

I think this is where the debate ends. You seem to be too hypertense, take things personally, and cannot see the perversity in your own replies. Thanks anyway.

[pakjangjoo]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

@metromomma

I think this is where the debate ends. You seem to be too hypertense, take things personally, and cannot see the perversity in your own replies. Thanks anyway.

But it doesn’t. It’s been carried on in Iraq, not with words but with guns.

[ak47]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

Even after all the nonsense and rubbish spewed out from the Amerikkan haters and all other haters of islam its still here and growing faster than ever so all you haters keep it up cause it aint gonna make an ounce of difference with your jealousy!

[farikhta]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

Hazrat Inayat Khan once said, "Reason is the illusion of reality" ;-)

[rvikz]

Re: why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?

how it will affect the south asia and china would it result in confrontation or stable asia?