In last 24 days we did not have a single drone attack. 
What took us so long to find him ??
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In last 24 days we did not have a single drone attack. :D
What took us so long to find him ??
do you mean Ray davis was the on ground pilot of those drones?
j/k
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There is another reason to love him.
He has provided progress to Pakistan.
Our honorable courts entered in age of modern technology.
He will be presented in the court through video conference.
(According to a Tv Chanel)
Lahore: Raymond Davis to appear in court via video conference
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may be because all the keys to start drones are with Raymond and USA can not find locksmith in Pakistan? 
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interesting
ریمنڈ گرفتار، ڈرون حملے بند
عزیز اللہ خان
بی بی سی اردو ڈاٹ کام، پشاور
امریکی شہری ریمنڈ ڈیوس کو ستائیس جنوری کو گرفتار کیا گیا تھا
پاکستان کے قبائلی علاقوں میں امریکی جاسوس ڈرون طیاروں کے حملے چوبیس روز سے نہیں ہو رہے۔
عوامی سطح پر یہ سوال اٹھایا جا رہا ہے کہ اس کی کیا وجہ ہو سکتی ہے، موسمی حالات، حفیہ معلومات کی کمی، عوامی رائے کا احترام یا پھر امریکی ڈرون حملوں کی خاموشی کا تعلق لاہور میں گرفتار امریکی سفارتخانے کے اہلکار ریمنڈ ڈیوس کی گرفتاری سے ہے؟
قبائلی علاقوں میں ڈرونز کا آخری حملہ شمالی وزیرستان ایجنسی میں تیئس جنوری کو ہوا تھا۔ اس حملے کے بعد سے اب تک کوئی حملہ نہیں ہوا ہے۔ پاکستان میں سب سے زیادہ ڈرون حملے شمالی وزیرستان میں ہوئے ہیں۔ میرانشاہ اور میر علی سے مقامی لوگوں کا کہنا ہے کہ آخری حملے کے بعد سے انھوں نے ڈرون طیارے فضا میں کم ہی دیکھے ہیں لیکن چند روز سے پھر یہ طیارے فضا میں منڈلاتے نظر آتے ہیں۔ مقامی لوگوں کے مطابق کچھ عرصہ سے ڈرون حملوں کی بندش کی وجہ سے لوگوں نے سکون کی سانس لی ہے۔
قبائلی علاقوں میں ڈرونز کا آخری حملہ شمالی وزیرستان ایجنسی میں تیئس جنوری کو ہوا تھا
پاکستان میں ڈرون حملوں کے خلاف احتجاجی مظاہرے تو ہوتے رہے ہیں اور کچھ عرصے سے قبائلی علاقوں میں بھی جلسے جلوس منعقد کیے گئے ہیں جن میں امریکی ڈرون حملے بند کرنے کا مطالبہ کیا گیا ہے۔
ان احتجاجی مظاہروں کے باوجود حملے نہیں رکے اور ان میں مزید شدت آتی گئی۔ اگر ہم چند ماہ کا تجزیہ کریں تو گزشتہ سال ستمبر میں سولہ دن حملے ہوئے اور ان میں چار روز سے زیادہ وقفہ نہیں کیا گیا۔ ایسا بھی ہوا ہے کہ ایک دن میں چار اور پانچ حملے ہوئے ہیں۔
اکتوبر میں گیارہ دن حملے ہوئے اور سب سے بڑا واقفہ نو دن کا رہا ہے۔ نومبر میں بھی گیارہ روز حملے ہوئے اور بڑا وقفہ چار روز کا تھا جبکہ دسمبر میں آٹھ حملے ہوئے جن میں بڑا وقفہ دس دن کا تھا۔ اس سال جنوری میں پانچ دنوں میں نو حملے ہوئے اور آخری حملہ تئیس جنوری سن دو ہزار گیارہ کو ہوا تھا۔ گزشتہ سال مجموعی طور پر پاکستان کے قبائلی علاقوں میں ایک سو اٹھارہ حملے ہوئے تھے۔
ڈرون حملوں کے خلاف احتجاج
اب ذکر کرتے ہیں لاہور کے واقعہ کا جب امریکی سفارتخانے کے اہلکار ریمنڈ ڈیوس کو ستائیس جنوری کو دو افراد کو فائرنگ سے ہلاک کرنے کے الزام میں گرفتار کر لیا گیا جس کے بعد سے امریکہ پاکستان پر مسلسل یہ دباؤ ڈال رہا ہے کہ ریمنڈ ڈیوس کو سفارتی استثنی حاصل ہے اس لیے انھیں امریکہ کے حوالے کر دیا جائے۔
اس بارے میں کہ آیا ڈرون حملوں کی خاموشی اور ریمنڈ ڈیوس کی گرفتاری کا کیا کوئی تعلق بنتا ہے پاکستان میں عسکری اور سیاسی مبصرین کی رائے مختلف ہے۔
بریگیڈیئر ریٹائرڈ سعد کا کہنا ہے کہ ریمنڈ ڈیوس چونکہ پشاور میں تعینات رہے اور خفیہ معلومات فراہم کرنے کے حوالے سے کام کرتے ہوں گے اس لیے کچھ تعلق بنتا نظر آتا ہے تاہم انھوں نے ساتھ یہ بھی کہا ہے کہ اس بارے میں معلومات تفتیش کے بعد ہی حاصل ہو سکتی ہیں۔
اکتوبر میں گیارہ دن حملے ہوئے اور سب سے بڑا واقفہ نو دن کا رہا ہے۔ نومبر میں بھی گیارہ روز حملے ہوئے اور بڑا وقفہ چار روز کا تھا جبکہ دسمبر میں آٹھ حملے ہوئے جن میں بڑا وقفہ دس دن کا تھا
ان سے جب پوچھا کہ کیا ڈرون حملوں کی خاموشی موسمی حالات کی وجہ سے تو نہیں ہے تو انھوں نے کہا کہ ان چوبیس دنوں میں اگر کبھی موسم خراب رہا ہے تو ایسے دن بھی تھے جب موسم طیاروں کی اڑان کے لیے موزوں تھا لیکن کہیں کوئی حملہ نہیں ہوا ہے۔
صوبہ خیبر پختونخواہ میں دہشت گردی کے واقعات پر تحقیق کرنے والے باچا خان ایجیوکیشن فاؤنڈیشن کے سربراہ خادم حسین نے کہا ہے کہ ہو سکتا ہے کہ امریکہ نے اب عوامی رائے کو سمجھتے ہوئے ڈرون حملے کرنا بند کر دیا ہو کیونکہ کچھ عرصہ سے عام لوگوں میں یہ تاثر پایا جاتا ہے کہ پاکستان اور خطے میں بد امنی کی ایک وجہ امریکی مداخلت ہو سکتی ہے۔
انھوں نے کہا کہ پیپلز پارٹی کی سیکریٹری اطلاعات فوزیہ وہاب کے مطابق پاکستان کو ملنے والی امداد کا کوئی اسی فیصد حصہ امریکہ سے آتا ہے اور دونوں ممالک ایک دوسرے کے لیے کافی اہمیت رکھتے ہیں۔
ان سے جب پوچھا کہ کیا امریکہ پاکستان کی عوامی رائے کا پاس رکھتے ہوئے ڈرونز حملے کرنا بند کردے گا کیونکہ ماضی میں ایسا کبھی نہیں دیکھا گیا تو انھوں نے کہا کہ اب حالات مختلف ہیں اور امریکہ خطے میں اپنی پوزیشن بہتر بنانے کے لیے مجموعی عوامی رائے کا احترام اس لیے بھی کرے گا کیونکہ اس خطے میں امریکہ اپنا اثر چاہتا ہے۔
Re: Why I love Raymond Davis
no no
its like jinn ki jaan tooty meen 
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There is another reason to love him. He has provided progress to Pakistan. Our honorable courts entered in age of modern technology. He will be presented in the court through video conference. (According to a Tv Chanel)
bhai app jo bhi kaheen... filhal to hummen relax kerny deen... :D
no drone attacks....
good job courts keeping him in..
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What do you know, it turns out that drone strikes are at halt because since ray da is arrested pak intelligence agencies has not shared any intelligence information with the american agencies.
no target information, no strikes.
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I love his james bond style firing. Man.. what a shoots he made, perfect and on top of that inside the vehicle :k:
SSG should learn these techniques from this guy.
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We are looking for shooting practice, thank you for volunteering to be riding bike, we will be driving right behind you.
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The shooting skills of Raymond Davis also point to the fact that he was not a diplomat, he is part of the CIA operatives in Pakistan whose duty is to wreck havoc by supporting the TTP and other anti Pakistan forces...
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alright boss, anything for money 
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The shooting skills of Raymond Davis also point to the fact that he was not a diplomat, he is part of the CIA operatives in Pakistan whose duty is to wreck havoc by supporting the TTP and other anti Pakistan forces...
Well it was clear on the first day that he is no diplomat. the way he shot through windscreen without shattering it and the way he came out wearing all the coolness of the world and took photos shows that he is trained for it.
he didnt miss a single shot, in such a crowd he didnt hit anything else.
but calling him a ttp supporter will be bit too much.
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but calling him a ttp supporter will be bit too much.
You probably didn't read all the related articles, he crossed 'red line', he was in touch with TTP.
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Well it was clear on the first day that he is no diplomat. the way he shot through windscreen without shattering it and the way he came out wearing all the coolness of the world and took photos shows that he is trained for it. he didnt miss a single shot, in such a crowd he didnt hit anything else. but calling him a ttp supporter will be bit too much.
well there are reports regarding his contacts with people in the ttp...i am just quoting that! its not for any reason that pakistan has taken a stand, and the americans want him out asap...
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Well Pak media has put forth every possible kind of reports. i for one dont know what to believe in. now dawn says that he used to identify targets for the drone attacks. now that contradicts the point that he is supporting ttp.
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the drone attacks are carried out mostly against haqqani group (nwa)
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Did Ray Davis Shoot Two Pakistani Agents?
Pakistani Officials Claim American Killed Men Working for ISI
Feb. 9, 2011
The public narrative from the United States is simple: one of its diplomats in one of the most dangerous countries in the world was threatened by two men with guns, and the diplomat shot and killed them in self-defense. He sits in jail, “illegally detained,” because he enjoys diplomatic immunity.
But the version of events told by multiple Pakistani officials – and adamantly denied by the U.S. State Department – is utterly different.
The four Pakistani officials who spoke to ABC News on the condition of anonymity say that the two men who Raymond Davis killed in Lahore last month were working for Pakistan’s premiere intelligence service, and they were following Davis because he was spying.
If true, their story dramatically changes the nature of an incident that is already severely straining the two countries’ already tumultuous relationship. Davis’s detention is fraying the U.S. alliance with Pakistan, one of the most delicate and important in the world. U.S. and Pakistani officials both admit the fate of Raymond Davis could threaten an alliance that is critical to the war in Afghanistan and the fight against al Qaeda.
**According to the Pakistani officials, the two men had been sent to track Raymond Davis by the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, which believed that Davis had crossed “a red line” and needed to be followed.
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In late January, those officials say, Davis was asked to leave an area of Lahore restricted by the military. His cell phone was tracked, said one government official, and some of his calls were made to the Waziristan tribal areas, where the Pakistani Taliban and a dozen other militant groups have a safe haven. Pakistani intelligence officials saw him as a threat who was “encroaching on their turf,” the official said.
U.S. officials dispute the story. Davis came to Pakistan on a diplomatic passport and is a “member of the technical and administrative staff” of the embassy in Islamabad. He therefore enjoys diplomatic immunity, which means he may not be tried for a crime in Pakistan. In public and in private, U.S. officials say they do not believe reports that the two men Davis shot and killed were working for the ISI. They say the men had robbed another person before they approached Davis’ car.
“We don’t find [the reports] credible,” P.J. Crowley, the State Department’s spokesman, said at his daily press briefing on Monday.
The U.S. says his detention is “illegal” and has put extreme pressure on Pakistan to release him.
According to two officials close to Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari, the White House has threatened to shut the U.S.'s three consulates in Pakistan and postpone the official bilateral, strategic dialogue, as well as Zardari’s upcoming trip to Washington, D.C.
A senior U.S. official declined comment on the consulates, but acknowledged that any meeting between the Pakistani and U.S. governments would be dominated by the Davis case right now – making most bilateral meetings useless.
Last weekend Secretary of State Hillary Clinton canceled a meeting with Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, according to two U.S. officials.
**Davis was traveling through a lower middle class part of Lahore on Thursday, Jan. 27, when the incident took place. The men he shot had been following him for at least two hours, one of the Pakistani officials claimed, and recorded some of his movements on their cell phone cameras. Davis has a U.S. Special Forces background and runs Hyperion Protective Consultants, LLC, a company that provides “loss and risk management professionals.”
The U.S. embassy in Islamabad refused to respond to questions about why Davis was armed, who he had been calling, or whether he was found in a sensitive part of the Lahore cantonment.**
That the ISI sent the equivalent of two hired guns to trail Davis is a sign that **the relationship between the U.S. and Pakistani intelligence agencies is at a low point, according to all four officials quoted in this article. In October, the ISI helped reveal the name of the CIA station chief – inadvertently, according to a separate, senior Pakistani official – forcing the station chief to leave the country.
The two men’s alleged connection to the intelligence services was first reported by a Pakistani newspaper, the Express Tribune.**
The U.S. has also threatened Pakistan’s military with cutting off some of its aid if Davis is not released. Last week, the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Rep. Buck McKeon, R.-California, traveled to Pakistan and met with Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, the Pakistan Army chief of staff, as well as Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani.
McKeon and the congressional delegation pointed out that U.S. anger could extend to the floor of the House if Davis is not released – and that could threaten the Pakistani military’s more than $2 billion in aid per year.
McKeon said that he “could foresee a member of Congress coming to the floor and offering an amendment to strike military funding for Pakistan,” an aide to the House Armed Services Committee told ABC News.
The U.S. officials who deny that the men Davis shot were intelligence officials believe Davis is being held despite his diplomatic immunity because of fears that releasing him might cause domestic unrest. He is being held in Lahore, the capital of Punjab province, where Zardari’s chief political opposition controls the provincial assembly. Some of the government’s political opponents – as well as some parts of the Pakistani media – benefit from stories that suggest U.S. contractors or spies operate throughout the country.
The Pakistani officials agreed with that, acknowledging that Davis’ release could at least temporarily weaken the federal government and spark protests in Lahore and perhaps across the country.
Adding to the pressure on Pakistan not to release Davis, the wife of one of the men he killed committed suicide Sunday by taking a tablet usually used to keep grain in a silo from going bad in the winter. When she first arrived at the hospital she was still able to speak, and her doctors allowed television reporters to interview her. She released a diatribe of hate to describe why she swallowed the tablet.
“I do not expect any justice from this government,” Shumaila Kanwal said. "That is why I want to kill myself.
“I want blood for blood,” she said. “The way my husband was shot, his killer should be shot in the same fashion.”
Last Thursday, Davis appeared in court without a translator and without prior notification to the U.S., the Islamabad embassy said in a statement. U.S. officials say those events convinced them Davis could not receive a fair trial in Pakistan. The judge extended his detention for another eight days. He is next scheduled to appear in court on Friday, Feb. 9.
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I dont know about this newspaper, but the news is quite mind boggling.
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/02/cia-spy-captured-giving-nuclear-bomb-to-terrorists/
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CIA Spy Captured Giving Nuclear Bomb To Terrorists**
Posted by EU Times on Feb 11th, 2011
**While all eyes in the West are currently trained on the ongoing revolution taking place in Egypt, Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) is warning that the situation on the sub-continent has turned “grave” as it appears open warfare is about to break out between Pakistan and the United States.
Fueling this crisis, that the SVR warns in their report has the potential to ignite a total Global War, was the apprehension by Pakistan of a 36-year-old American named Raymond Allen Davis (photo), whom the US claims is one of their diplomats, but Pakistani Intelligence Services (ISI) claim is a spy for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
Davis was captured by Pakistani police after he shot and killed two men in the eastern city of Lahore on January 27th that the US claims were trying to rob him.
Pakistan, however, says that the two men Davis killed were ISI agents sent to follow him after it was discovered he had been making contact with al Qaeda after his cell phone was tracked to the Waziristan tribal area bordering Afghanistan where the Pakistani Taliban and a dozen other militant groups have forged a safe haven and former CIA agent Tim Osman (also known as Osama bin Laden) is believed to be in hiding.
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Of the actual gunfight itself we can read as reported by the Time News Service which, in part, says:
“The scene could have been scripted in a Hollywood action thriller: For two hours at the end of last month in Lahore, U.S. diplomat Raymond Davis was closely pursued by two visibly armed men on a motorbike. He noticed them tailing him from a restaurant to an ATM, and through the crowded streets of Pakistan’s second [largest] city. They were close by when, in a crowded intersection, Davis produced his own handgun and fired seven shots.
The diplomat was apparently a crack shot, and all seven bullets found their mark, killing his two pursuers. Davis then called for back-up, and a four-wheel-drive vehicle raced onto the scene, striking a Pakistani bystander who was killed by the impact. But the people in the vehicle, whose identities remain unknown, escaped from the scene having failed to retrieve Davis, who was later arrested nearby.”
**The combat skills exhibited by Davis, along with documentation taken from him after his arrest, prove, according to this report, his being a member of the feared American Task Force 373 (TF373) black operations unit currently operating in the Afghan War Theater and Pakistani tribal areas comprised of US Military Special Forces Soldiers, CIA spies and freelance mercenaries.
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Further information about Davis discovered by the Times of India includes:
“According to records from the Pentagon, Davis is a former Special Forces soldier who left the army in August 2003 after 10 years of service. A Virginia native, he served with infantry divisions prior to joining the 3rd Special Forces Group in Fort Bragg, North Carolina. In 1994, he was part of the U.N. peacekeeping force in Macedonia. His record includes several awards and medals, including for good conduct.
Public records also show Davis runs a company with his wife registered in Las Vegas called Hyperion Protective Services, though it was not immediately clear whether the company has had many contracts with the U.S. government.”
**Since Davis’s capture the US has exerted extraordinary pressure upon Pakistan to release him, including the American Ambassador warning President Asif Ali Zardari to release him “or else” and the cancellation of all talks between these two nuclear powered Nations.
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Today, according to this SVR report, this most critical of situations became even worse when a Pakistani judge refused to bow to American pressure and ordered a further 14-day detention of Davis, and which sparked an immediate threat from US National Security Advisor Tom Donilon, who told Pakistani envoy Hussain Haqqani that the Obama administration will “kick him out of the US”, close American consulates in Pakistan and cancel President Zardari’s upcoming visit to Washington if their CIA spy wasn’t released immediately.
Fearing that the conflict over Davis may lead to open warfare, the Pakistanis were quick to let the Americans know they would not come out any conflict unscathed with their firing yesterday of their new Hatf-VII nuclear cruise missile (also called Babur after the 16th-century Muslim ruler who founded the Mughal Empire) that Major General Athar Abbas said “…can carry strategic and conventional warheads, has stealth capabilities, is a low-flying, terrain-hugging missile with high manoeuvrability, pinpoint accuracy and radar avoidance features”.
The United States Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) further reported yesterday that Pakistan appears to be building a fourth military nuclear reactor, signaling its determination to produce more plutonium for atomic weapons.
**Most ominous in this SVR report, though, is Pakistan’s ISI stating that top-secret CIA documents found in Davis’s possession point to his, and/or TF373, providing to al Qaeda terrorists “nuclear fissile material” and “biological agents” they claim are to be used against the United States itself in order to ignite an all-out war in order to reestablish the West’s hegemony over a Global economy that is warned is just months away from collapse.
Not known to the masses of the American people is that the $20 Trillion they have spent on their longest wars in history has bankrupted their Nation to such an extent that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) called yesterday for replacement of the US Dollar as the World’s reserve currency.
More crucially that the American people are ignoring is the fact that their own government has unleashed against them a 21st Century update to the dreaded US Military “Operation Northwoods” campaign of terror designed to enrage them to accepting war as their main way of life.**
**Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag operation proposals that originated within the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the CIA, or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in US cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of Operation Northwoods was to “develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.”
Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:
“The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.”**
Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various US military and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the US government’s Cuban Project anti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted and the proposals included in the plan were never executed.
James Bamford summarizes Northwoods as follows:
“Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.”
Though Operation Northwoods had the “approval” of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, it did not have the approval of their boss, President John F. Kennedy (1917-1963), but who barely one year after his outright rejection of this monstrous plan to kill thousands of innocent Americans was gunned down as an example to any future US leader what would happen to them if they dared go against the wishes of the Military-Industrial Complex (MIC).
Today, as the US Department of Homeland Security has just issued a grim warning that the threat of terror strike on America is at a higher level than it has been since September 11, 2001, and the WikiLeaks release of secret US government cables reveals that al Qaeda is on the brink of using a nuclear bomb, a new President stands between his people and the CIA warmongers with the only question being will he protect them like Kennedy did?
The answer to that question, sadly, appears to be “no” as new information recently obtained by US journalists show that not only has Obama failed to discipline those CIA officers who have led the United States to near total collapse, he has promoted them in numbers never before seen in history.