Re: Why I Believe That Chaudhry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
Why is this thread sticky?
Because the thread starter invested a whole lot of time typing it, so it's only fair to put it in the spot light. :)
Re: Why I Believe That Chaudhry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
Because this, and the other 2 *current *sticky threads;
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=284667
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=284778
address and discuss Pakistan’s currently most crucial and volatile political issue.
Re: Why I Believe That Chaudhry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
Haris, I know your intention was good, but you should read this starting post again. It is just tasteless and addresses people with names, racial slurs, anti-islamic accusations, indians, traitors etc, and though I dont have any problems with it, I just dont think it should be a sticky.
Re: Why I Believe That Chaudhry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
There is no accusation or name calling to any innocents in my post. Here is what I wrote about Pakistani supporters of Iftikhar:
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I believe that other than misguided innocent Pakistanis mostly from Northern part of Punjab (who are many), only enemy of Pakistan, enemy of Islam, people who do not want harmony amongst Muslims, agents of Jews, hidden members of RAW, and anti-Pakistan western elements are behind Iftikhar.
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Now please be intelligent and fair, then think how above sentence means anything other than calling innocent Pakistani supporters of Iftikhar 'misguided'?
**It is obvious from above sentence that I took effort to exclude innocent Pakistani supports of Iftikhar from categories supporting Iftikhar who are enemy of Pakistan and Islam. I only called innocent Pakistani supporters as misguided. **I do not know if calling someone misguided is gunah-e-Kabira. or is it?
Even that I wrote after mentioning that what I am writing is my own opinion. No one have to agree with me, as what I wrote is my beliefs and analysis. People have all rights to think that what I wrote is wrong and my opinion is based on my misguidance, so what? Only thing what I want is that we should read each other, use intelligence, put our thoughts on paper, understand, think, ponder and come to their own conclusions. That is all. Here is what I wrote about this thread:
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What I am writing is my own believes and analysis, that I am giving with logical reasons behind my thinking. But that does not mean that all have to agree so do not get agitated.
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Re: Why I Believe That Chaudhry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
it is just funny how people are blaming zadari now and say the disposed judges will open his cases. comeon look at the other side of the picture is well, the only reason nawaz wants the judges back is because they will forgive all his cases and let him contest the elections and most probably remove the 2 time PM law put by musharraf.
it puts both nawaz and zadari in the same position,
if ifitak choudary is restored now, the judicary will be at its worst in our history and will be in a big mess. this guy was a hyopcrite and has politzed the judicary, he has become an politian and no politian deserves to be a judge, so its better he joins pmln and contests the elections.
Re: Why I Believe That Chaudhry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
if ifitak choudary is restored now, the judicary will be at its worst in our history and will be in a big mess. this guy was a hyopcrite and has politzed the judicary, he has become an politian and no politian deserves to be a judge, so its better he joins pmln and contests the elections.
How dare judges are trying to play politics...only generals are allowed to do that.
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How dare judges are trying to play politics...only generals are allowed to do that.
Generals have always played politics in history. Actually, it is Generals that give strength to government and are power base of every government. Generals command Armed forces of the country and it is Armed forces that make a country viable.
If Muslims spread all over the world, it was not because of preaching or good work but because Muslim armed forces kept demolishing every wall that stood in front of them and resisted them. If Queen Victoria of England used to rule the world then it was not because of her 'English face' but because of Armed forces behind her was strongest of their time. If USA is commanding authority all over the world then it is not because of American society, economy, wealth, or Mr Bush, but because of American strong armed forces.
If Saddam got deposed, it was not because people revolted against him or his dictatorial rule, but because Iraq Armed forces could not defend his rule. If Shah of Iran got deposed and Ayatullah came into power, it was not because of public support but because Armed forces of Iran decided not to stand behind Shah (this could have also happen if Armed forces of country was weaker than revolutionary armed forces ... as it happened in Chinese revolution under Mau even when Chinese Armed forces was behind King as revolutionary armed forces behind Mau was stronger). If Israel rules Palestine, it is not because of their 'Jewish blood' but because their armed forces is strong enough to let them rule Palestine. If Russia and China today have any say in world, then it is not because they are any special, but because they have strong Armed forces. Well ... if ... ... ...
Actually, if Pakistan armed forces do not defend government or judiciary then they have no ground to stand on. If politicians want to rule Pakistan then they have to make sure that they are honest, trustworthy and respected, so that not only people respect them but most in Armed forces also respect them and their leadership.
To me, Generals in Pakistan armed forces are more loyal to country than crooks in politics. It is possible that generals may be wrong or misguided and unintentionally could even harm the country (as Zia-ul-Haq did), but they could not be traitor or would not harm the country for selfishness and personal greed, something I could not say 'with certainty' about any Pakistani politician, Journalists, Judges, Lawyers, any civilian, or even people in forces at lower level (whose security check in employment is not so stringent or length of service is not long enough). These people could be as loyal as any General, but it is also fact that none go through stringent security and loyalty check throughout their working life as officers in Armed forces.
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^ haha Ive never heard this before, Generals interfering in politics being justified. They belong in the barracks! No wonder our country is becoming a joke, people laugh when they hear about the military taking control of virtually everything.
Gillani did a few things right when he came to power, and that was to get rid of some of these retd and serving army officers from pretty much every single department in Pakistan.
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Saieem,
You're twisting the axioms "might is right' and 'victor writes history' into a justification for corruption by Pak military.
Even in all the examples you've misquoted, where is the case where the general went against his own country people and government.
The inefficieny and economic corruption of a civ ilian govt is preferable to the moral and judicial corruption oif the military.
If you want to understand what that means read the news about what's happening in Myanmar right now.