Re: Why I Believe That Chudhtry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
ye and he also might open cases like karz utoo mulk savoo and ghar apna scheme and call them nation saving schemes.
and just maybe he may call the attacking of supreme court by nawaz and goons a savoir of the judicary,
Fair Enough! So why worry...let him come and call everyone in order!...
PS: It's not just about one person, it's about the principle and the misstep Musharraf took by sending the whole of SC judges home. If he had been a man of character like many of you claim him to be, then he would have waited to hear the verdict SC was about to give w/in 24hrs. But the truth is he couldn't see himself having to swallow his pride, so he wet his pants and as a result of that he declared "Emergency" to counter extremism, when in fact the only people arrested were civilians. Everyone knows that...You may however decide to close your eyes and ignore that. It doesn't change anything.
Re: Why I Believe That Chudhtry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
ye and he also might open cases like **karz utoo mulk savoo **and **ghar apna scheme **and call them nation saving schemes.
and just maybe he may call the attacking of supreme court by nawaz and goons a savoir of the judicary,
Re: Why I Believe That Chaudhry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
Saieem,
No he should not be reinstated because too much has happened politically and he cannot provide objectivity anymore. Plus yes there's something behind the smoke about his nepotism.
But the rest of what you've written abt him being an agent of terrorists, Indians etc is pure garbage. What are you basing any of that on?
For example - whether privatisation is good or bad (and I happen to think almost all industry should be privatised), you do not giv e any reasoning other than "iftikhar is bad because he stoped privatisation and that's a bad thing to do because he did it!). Makes no sense. Did you look at his reasoning first? There's such a thing as doing things the right way and just because someone stops something because it is not being done the right way doesn't mean they're in the wrong.
You called him anti-islam. Any proof? And then a second question - so what? His job is NOT to be promoter of islam. His job is not to adjudicate based on sharia.
Are you such a lota of Musharaf that having lost his career due to messing with the judiciary, now you guys are getting cheap thrills calling judges names?
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Anyhow, why I believe that Iftikhar is/was working for anti-Pakistan forces?
Because Iftikhar became CJ in June 2005 and once he became CJ, what he did were mostly against Pakistan
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*Anyhow, let comes to Iftikhar and see how he worked against Pakistan: In cover of Suo-Moto, Iftikhar tried to: *
Destabilise Pakistan’s economy:
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Destabilise Pakistan’s religious harmony
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Worked against Pakistan government (and undermining the writ of Pakistan Government over Pakistan)
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Created disharmony in Pakistan’s politics
Wow such destructive, criminal, terroristic person didn't get prosecuted by the same person who filed a charge sheet against him even after installing "not-crook, saint justices", its pathetic and embarassing for someone whose slogan is (was) "sub se pehlay Pakistan".
Re: Why I Believe That Chudhtry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
Is that why you oppose him? :D
not just cause of that, he has shown himself to be an animal, those are just examples of his corruption there are ten thousand more, was discussed in his thread before elections
Re: Why I Believe That Chudhtry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
Fair Enough! So why worry...let him come and call everyone in order!...
PS: It's not just about one person, it's about the principle and the misstep Musharraf took by sending the whole of SC judges home. If he had been a man of character like many of you claim him to be, then he would have waited to hear the verdict SC was about to give w/in 24hrs. But the truth is he couldn't see himself having to swallow his pride, so he wet his pants and as a result of that he declared "Emergency" to counter extremism, when in fact the only people arrested were civilians. Everyone knows that...You may however decide to close your eyes and ignore that. It doesn't change anything.
Anywho...
:CareBear:
now i am wondering should i really be wasting my time replying to such laughter, ok last time i will and so you can provide more laughts next time.
yes dude, the case was suppose to come 1 month earlier then you expected 24 hours:CareBear:and you were still expecting for them to deliver it in the next 24 hours. LOL,
like you said he is a man of character and we and him waited and waited for his case to come which it wasnt, obviously the cheap justice was trying to get rid of him, if musharraf was scared of the fake case like you say and wanted to take a misstep he would have sent the judges home the day when the result of the case was suppose to be announced not 1 month later, now you are gona come out with piece of laughter, go ahead.
Re: Why I Believe That Chudhtry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
Ok Let's bring him back and eject this pathetic soul "legally" this time.
Brother, let teggy answer his legality and illegality confusion :)
Why i believe that Ch. Iftikhar and other colleagues should be restored: Because he was ejected Illegally!
Enough said!
So, as this crook Iftikhar was corrupt and was guilty of not only nepotism but also of misusing power, misconduct and misbehaviour, than how you think Iftikhar could be sacked legally?
[Let see your view points and see what President Musharraf did was any different, that is to send reference to Supreme Judicial council].
If your answer is 'by sending reference to SJC' than also tell us that if biased SC judges stopped SJC to work on Iftikhar than was their that action legal or illegal?
Re: Why I Believe That Chudhtry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
Brother, let teggy answer his legality and illegality confusion :)
So, as this crook Iftikhar was corrupt and was guilty of not only nepotism but also of misusing power, misconduct and misbehaviour, than how you think Iftikhar could be sacked legally?
[Let see your view points and see what President Musharraf did was any different, that is to send reference to Supreme Judicial council].
If your answer is 'by sending reference to SJC' than also tell us that if biased SC judges stopped SJC to work on Iftikhar than was their that action legal or illegal?
So why hasn't all of his corruption been proven then? Don't go in tangents. Post proof and i assure you i will change my mind about his character. Why was he restored after being suspended from SC in the first place? Obviously the bunch of judges rejected the flimsy evidence, however little the Govt. could come up with. And late made fools of themselves for even submitting the reference. No one claimed a direct responsibility for that blunder.....hmmm makes one think!
Musharraf however has a proven track record of violating and raping the country's laws over and over again, if anything he should be tried for those crimes committed, unless ofcourse before being booted he can reorder another NRO that applies to himself too.
So when you get over this Main Na Manoon Group mentality and can really think it through and post proof, then we'll talk. Till then the burden of evidence for the accusations is on you! not me...
Now i'll wait for your page long essay based on your proof-less analysis that's flawed as ever. And we're all well aware of where you get your info.
Re: Why I Believe That Chudhtry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
If your answer is 'by sending reference to SJC' than also tell us that if biased SC judges stopped SJC to work on Iftikhar than was their that action legal or illegal?
And what exactly did Musharraf do after getting different judiciary onboard? Did he file that reference again? Did he prosecute Ch Iftikhar in some other court? Lets hear about it.
Re: Why I Believe That Chudhtry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
‘Head I win and Tail you lose’ group kee kiya baat hay? Yea ayesee rassee hay kay agar jaal bhie jayea tou bal nahie jaata.
Corruption proven to whom? Reference was sent to SJC so that judges in SJC would investigate (as however obvious the allegation, right to investigate and make report on content of reference was of SJC … not any one else). It was duty of SJC to send result of investigation to President and it was duty of President to look at the report of SJC on reference and make judgment, then decided to sack or keep Iftikhar … that is legal way.
But when corrupt and crook judges of Supreme Court illegally stopped SJC to investigate (they did that in same way as judges of SC through out history of Pakitan validated every Martial Law in the country and also gave martial law administrator (Ayub, Yahya, Zia and Musharraf) the right to change constitution … and thus however illegal, every martial law becomes legal), so what was/is left there to prove?
If SC judgment to stop SJC to investigate Iftikhar was legal (however illegal) than SC judgment of validating every military takeover was legal too (however illegal) and in same way imposing emergency on 3rd Nov by Musharraf was legal too (as SC judges validated that).
Actually, SC judges should not interfere or stop SJC from investigating any Judge else that means making Judge immune from investigation. Stopping SJC from investigation is worse than SC validating martial law. Martial law cases come to SC asking for validation and they validate that (considering their judgement coming from laws of necessity) but SJC investigation is completely an independent issue and courts should not even look at that.
Issue to stop investigation of SJC on any judge do not and cannot come to SC as investigation is not case but investigation, like police investigation of any person so that person can be implicated in crime case or not. SC judges stopping SJC investigation of Iftikhar was same as SC Judges stopping police from investigating murder. It is ridiculous to even think that judges stopping investigation, as duty of judges is to give verdict taking account of investigation results, how can they stop investigation itself? But then they are Pakistani Judges and acted in self-defence, legal or illegal, possible or impossible, logical or illogical does not matter … and fortunately for them, they have similar public too for whom absurdities of any sort does not matter :D.
Well well … are we discussing Musharraf? :halo:
Anyhow, it is not only Musharraf, this can be said regarding all who ever had power in Pakistan (even power in any small organisation), as when they can, they all violated laws and constitution. Only difference is that others including Ayub, Yahya, Bhutto, Zia, BB, NS, Iftikhar, well … many who have violated laws in Pakistan, they do that without need or in self-defence (to save own life), but army on behalf of Musharraf did that in self-defence, and there is natural law of preservation, that says that all violation of laws in self-defence is not considered as violation. Even in Islam, a person can even eat Haram to preserve his existence or can kill others if his life gets in danger from that other.
Yea … I can understand that to stop from finding yourself guilty, you believe in using judges of Supreme Court to stop investigating authority or police from investigating you. You have nice believe, that is: Na ho baans na bajay bansree … na ho investigation na payea jayoon guilty aur na ayea koyi judgment. You are good student of people like Iftikhar … aap kay kiya kahnay hain
Here I am with my long essay response, because I have something in my response, not like those whose response comes in 3 words ‘May Naaaa Mannu’
Re: Why I Believe That Chudhtry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
And what exactly did Musharraf do after getting different judiciary onboard? Did he file that reference again? Did he prosecute Ch Iftikhar in some other court? Lets hear about it.
Was there any personal vendetta of Musharraf against Iftikhar? It is really amusing that even when something is done to comply with laws, many Pakistanis start taking it as personal vendetta.
It is funny, but this is what mentality of some Pakistanis is: Suppose if complain comes to boss that 'A' took bribe or misused his authority then if boss starts investigation, then many Pakistanis do not think that boss really want to stop bribes or misuse of authority and thus want to know if 'A' has really done wrong or not, so that step can be taken against 'A'. What these Pakistanis think is that if Boss has started investigation, it means that Boss is against 'A'. For them, even if complain comes that 'A' takes bribe or misuse authority, boss should never say or do anything to 'A' but ignore all complains.
We should understand the purpose of reference to SJC against sitting Judges: When complain comes against sitting judge to President then it becomes duty of President to send reference to SJC for investigation (as only SJC is constitutional authority to investigate judges ... whereas anti-corruption police do investigation of others). Result of that investigation is used by President to decide if particular Judge is fit for the post or not. If President thinks that a judge is unsuitable, President sack the judge (according to Pakistani constitution, only President can sack judge but with reasons that President could know after he sends reference to SJC and SJC has investigated that particular Judge). Apart of that, there is no use for reference.
Now, when Suprme Court stopped investigation of Iftikhar by SJC, they stopped any constitutional means to find out if a particular Judge (for instance Iftikhar) is guilty of allegations or not. That means, other than giving them a kick by President, there was no other way to sack a judge or find out if allegations against particular judge is true or false.
After 3rd of Nov Iftikhar was already out of his post (sacked as CJ). So, reference became meaningless. Any investigative actions on Iftikhar after his sacking cannot be reference but investigation. It is obvious that if Musharraf wanted to, he could have started investigation and could have even proved that Iftikhar was corrupt, even though ‘Ma na manu’ group would never have accepted that, regardless of that investigation being right or wrong. Anyhow, the purpose of that investigation would have been only to defame and punish Iftikhar and that would have got seen as personal vendetta of Musharraf by many. So, if Musharraf did not do that, it was right decision.
Re: Why I Believe That Chaudhry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
Some people believe that President declared emergency and sacked judiciary before he was worried that Judiciary would declare his election as President illegal. This thinking only shows ignorance amongst Pakistanis who do not have any ability to think, as this thoughts is nothing but B*llsh*t. Why?
Because just before October 2007 Presidential election, same judiciary under Iftikhar declared that:
Parliament that was present in Oct 2007 can elect President.
President Musharaf can contest election in uniform and thus keep both Post (President and Army Chief).
They even let the votes getting counted and election results declared.
Wajihuddin took part in that election that verified further validated legality of October Presidential election.
What Supreme Court only did was told Election Commission to withhold the notification of Presidential election result.
So, legality of Presidential election, legality of Musharraf contesting election in uniform, legality of electorate body, legality of votes ... all was accepted by Supreme Court as valid. Now if everything related to Oct President’s election was declared legal and valid, and only notification was left on hold, I could not see any reason on which Supreme Court could have declared Musharraf Presidential election illegal.
I believe that the reason for President for declaring emergency in country was not his own President's post (as that was decided unquestionably) but the way Supreme Court was behaving, interfering and acting against the security of the country (missing person cases), keeping country’s important matters in limbo (stopping notification did not changed anything but it was certainly causing anxiety amongst people in the country) harming economy as well as law and order situation in the country, plus maybe President also wanted to stop anarchy that was created by Lawyers and media who did not wanted to stop continuing their irresponsible behaviour (that was also direct result of anxiety created by Supreme Court).
Re: Why I Believe That Chaudhry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
The Comments and Arguments presented by Sa1eem is of Mush and allies.. who are in small minority ( protecting their interests). Like Mushy, Altaf & Co. are scared of Justice and will never ever allow anyone in Pakistan to act Fairly.
Re: Why I Believe That Chaudhry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
Regardless of what Musharaf did was right or wrong, in my opinion CI should not be the chief justice. Any person, who HAD or HAS a political agenda, is not fit for the chair. PERIOD.
REINSTATE him, fair enough, BUT don\'t appoint him as chief justice of Pakistan.
Re: Why I Believe That Chaudhry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
As usual the pendulum swings to the other extreme.
Until a year ago Musharaf was the darling of all women, captain of all men in Pakistan. He could do no wrong. He handled foreign press like a hollywood star. He was the 2nd Jinnah and the 3rd ata turk.
Then when news of iftikhar's sonn came out, for a brief period iftikhar was the worst crook, right next to osama and a.Q.khan in the list of people screwing Pakistan
Now zardari is darling and everyone else is garbage
Re: Why I Believe That Chudhtry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.
Just like expected, a few smileys, a few eye-catching fonts, a page long essay with the same baseless, proof-less accusations and we’re still at Square 1.
