Why I Believe That Chaudhry Iftikhar Should Never Become Judge Again.

Please do comment but please read and think before writing something. What I am writing is my own believes and analysis, that I am giving with logical reasons behind my thinking. But that does not mean that all have to agree so do not get agitated. Still since it is very important National issue, I think that we should give our best thoughts on it and think on the subject intelligently, with maturity, patriotism and concern.

I believe that other than misguided innocent Pakistanis mostly from Northern part of Punjab (who are many), only enemy of Pakistan, enemy of Islam, people who do not want harmony amongst Muslims, agents of Jews, hidden members of RAW, and anti-Pakistan western elements are behind Iftikhar.

But then I know that once I will put the facts, there would be many who would try to cover the reality of Iftikhar in shroud by starting to talk about something different like Musharraf, MQM, Shaukat Aziz, Muhajrs, Chaudharies, Presidential election, Steel mill privatisation, Stock market crash, etc. In this way, these people (I would not be surprised that amongst them we might have many of those vested interests I mentioned above) succeed to derail any discussion on Iftikhar’s reality. So, please avoid own frustrations and keep to the subject.

Anyhow, why I believe that Iftikhar is/was working for anti-Pakistan forces?

Because Iftikhar became CJ in June 2005 and once he became CJ, what he did were mostly against Pakistan and fooled people because most in Pakistan are uneducated without any ability to think and thus do not know/understand even basics about judiciary, constitution, laws, economy, governance, politics, or reality of how enemies of country work against a country. These people get fooled easily and today they are getting fooled. Well, even those who are so-called educated, their mental level is so low that most do not like to learn, think, and understand. Even when facts are put in front of them they could not read few lines with concentration, but would start barking without reading, understanding or even thinking.

**Anyhow, let comes to Iftikhar and see how he worked against Pakistan: In cover of Suo-Moto, Iftikhar tried to: **

Destabilise Pakistan’s economy: Many actions of Iftikhar including steel mill issue grinded and harmed Pakistan economy a lot. Surprising thing is that, this crook Iftikhar did not took action where he should have as his action could have improved Pakistan, but he only took action (with wrong judgments) where his actions can only harm Pakistan and Pakistani economy.

For instance, he should have taken action during Sugar crises and should have forced government to bring the Names of people involved on surface and get them punished, but he did not, on the other hand he took action and gave wrong decision on Steel mill privatisation that not only stopped all privatisation process in Pakistan, but stopped FDI and harmed Pakistan economy irreparably.

[If anyone believes that stopping Steel mill privatisation was good for Pakistan, we can argue on that in different thread, as I believe that they do not know anything about privatisation and values of company. For hint: They should look at privatisation of different steel mills all over the world, look at their values and then discuss. For those who think that 6000 acres in port Qasim was worth what these crooks in journalism want us to believe, then they should think logically, check the worth of these lands and think … especially their worth with particular usage conditions attached to those land]

Destabilise Pakistan’s security: By interfering with security institutions of Pakistan, this crook Iftikhar played his role as agents of anti-Pakistan forces by harming the security of Pakistan. His orders of releasing people under detention or forcing and abusing government officials to produce people who were detained in the name of security were all his actions to harm Pakistan’s security. All his actions in this respect, even though seems legal were actually against the security of the country and are un-declared illegal judiciary actions all over the world (something no judiciary in world gets involved).

[People who know many things about Pakistan security are people working in security departments of Pakistan. They are mostly in military or intelligence agencies and work on clandestine information. That is the reason, judiciary of any country do not interfere with actions taken in the name of security. No doubt that in every country (third world, second world or first world), governments and people in security might abuse their privileges of acting with immunity, but nevertheless, if judiciary starts interfering then security of the country gets compromised. Hence, best method of stopping abuses in security institutions are by good governance and not through judiciary. It is government that enact laws and military that protects the country, none of these jobs are done or could be done by judiciary, and thus people have to trust government and military, pray that they do good governance and do not abuse their positions, but country could never allow judiciary to interfere in security matters].

Destabilise Pakistan’s religious harmony: When Musharraf government acted against religious goons who were creating religious disharmony in the country, especially those who were doing that behind the scene without obvious proofs (thus action against them by security people), this crook CJ Iftikhar interfered and started making problems. His interference did not only stopped security apparatus acting against such people on clandestine information, but this crook humiliated many in security departments to discourage them even from acting against such goons (as security people must have realised that state is not there to protect their actions), and thus Iftikhar played his anti-Pakistan role by protecting and spreading religious disharmony in the country.

[It is very important for religious harmony in the country that people in the country not only respect laws, but respect the rights of others and do not interfere with others in the name of religion, their own religious understandings, religious beliefs, religious morality, religious Sectarianisms, personal likes and dislikes, or own moral values. People should be left to decide their own good and bad in their personal life and only preaching with respect and good words between different communities, different sects, different religious believes, or people with different thoughts could be allowed in the country. We have to understand that what we may believe right for ourselves due to religious understandings, Sectarianisms, or personal moral values, may not be right for others, so unless we do not tolerate others and force others to follow my principles, there would be anarchy and disharmony in the country].

Worked against Pakistan government (and undermining the writ of Pakistan Government over Pakistan): Iftikhar actions against government officials for people interned on clandestine proofs by government accused of challenging the writ of Pakistan, challenging Pakistani laws, or because they were working to destabilising Pakistan was steps that Iftikhar took to undermine the writ of Pakistan government over Pakistan.

[It is important for any independent country to have writ of government enforced over the country to make country strong. If government does not impose writ of government over the country then it does not only make the country destabilised but it helps in breaking the country. It is duty of all in government officials to help government impose writ of government in the country. Any official (Judges or whoever) that creates hindrance for government that wants to impose writ of government can be considered as working to make country weak and destabilise the country.

People like Taliban, Lal-Masjid thugs, Tribal in Waziristan, Foreigners living in Pakistan without government permission (Afghans, Arabs or Central Asians), and all who are helping these mentioned people are not only challenging the writ of Pakistan government over Pakistan but are working against Pakistan].

Created disharmony in Pakistan’s politics: A CJ should be non-controversial and impartial. When a judge is perceived as partial towards group of people, any political party, any sect, any ethnicity, then that creates political disharmony in the country. That is one reason judges never get involved with government matters. Iftikhar is not only controversial Judge but perception of his impartiality is well known. Many in Pakistan today consider him partial and believe that he is on payroll of Nawaz.

Iftikhar political partiality as CJ and using his post to destabilise government is obvious from his using suo-moto actions to interfering in everyday running of the government, like traffic jams, prices of tomatoes and banana in market, electricity shortages, etc … as by doing that, he was just making mockery of judiciary and trying to destabilize government and developments in Pakistan.

[In reality, no Judiciary anywhere in the world work to destabilise government and interfere in such things or could interfere in such things, but Iftikhar used suo-moto power to interfere in everything so that he can destabilise government. It is one sign of him being politically impartial. Every person with little intelligence would know that no government could tolerate such people in judiciary.

As for what Iftikhar was doing, it is also fact that anyone with little intelligence would know that no government can control such things straightaway (prices, traffic jams, etc) as it needs revenue, and one have to see improvements in comparison to past (that also not done by judiciary but media with honesty), that is all. Pakistan is a third world country and has to do as much as they can to create revenue than only slowly they can overcome day to day problems (well, even rich countries have problems and need improvements … for instance, M25 in London becomes car park during peak hours where due to traffic jam, car can only cover few miles in hours). It is like, a judge tells a poor person that he should be punished because he is not providing car to his wife and children, without taking account of economical and other problems that surrounds the person (even though it is not job of judge but suppose if a judge does that, it would be ridiculous). Obviously, if any judge would do that then it would be considered as interference and such actions can only destabilise family life of that person even though wife and children might think that judge is doing good (and if that is done with government than similarly such thing would destabilise government even though people might think that judge is doing good)

When judges, especially CJ get involved in politics and their impartiality becomes questionable then that is not only worse for political stability and harmony in the country but could even breaks up a country. This is especially true when perception of CJ impartiality becomes obvious as perception matters a lot in politics. A judge should be seen as impartial whom every person in the country and all political parties can trust, especially this is true for CJ. If any political party or group of people in country do not trust impartiality of CJ then having such judge as CJ can only bring political disharmony in the country that is not good for the unity of the country].

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U r right, People of Pakistan does not deserve Justice, they should be molested and killed by the goons in the street or in the palaces of London..

Guys like Iftaykhar Ch. is threat to these "Pakistanies", who think that they are untouchables and get any verdict from the Court.

The desired situation from this kind of people is to continue in age of darkness... and any hope of light will disturb or create hurdles in their dreams.

MQM has many reservations so does others... Yes u r right... only GOONS and thugs are against CJ Iftaykhar Ch. and they have every reason to do so... so carry on...

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I know that you have not read my post because it is more than one line and obviously anything to read more than one line is too much for you (and many others on this forum). Still, do you think that iftikhar could give justice? What a joke?

Will he give justice to the guy who could not get admission in medical college so that Iftikhar son Arsalan could get the admission?
Could he give justice to someone who could not get government post because Arsalan could get that post?
Could he give justice to 100s of passengers whose life crook Nawaz endangered, many of them children, who were travelling with Musharraf from Sri Lanka to Pakistan.
Could he give justice to Pakistanis whose wealth crooks and thugs like Nawaz, Zardari, Daar, Ehsan, BB and all these criminals have looted during 1988 to 1999?
Could he give justice to many who got killed illegally in Karachi during Karachi operation?
Could he give justice to many in Punjab got killed during Shahbaz government illegally?
Well, could he give justice to Pakistanis whose wealth he was abused by getting more than entitlement throughout as Judge and later as CJ?

Fact is that, he could give justice to no one, as other than try to destroy Pakistan, he could do nothing. I have mentioned what this joker has done during 20 months as CJ, and instead of talking about that, Iftikhar supporters come up with what you written, and that is pathetic response. I was expecting something intelligent and decent.

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Thank you for your opinion, sorry don't have time to read all that.

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I am outrightly against reinstating Iftikhar Chaudry and his goons.

But the situation has changed a little bit, especially since when PML-Q lost the elections and NS(with all his negative vengance) AA Zardari(with his save the kursi attitude) sat on the stage of power.

Restoring Iftikhar Ch. would not serve much, except for giving NS another excuse to get rid of Musharraf.

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Why i believe that Ch. Iftikhar and other colleagues should be restored: Because he was ejected Illegally!

Enough said!

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I agree.

Saleem, personally I disagree with pretty much everything you write, because I believe you are either a brain-washed Musharraf supporter or just a troll bent on coming up with rediculous arguments to prolong inane discussions. Iftikhar Chaudhry, however, is now way too politicized (ever since his first "sacking") and will be a completely inappropriate choice to be the Chief Justice of Pakistan, ever. If he thinks he is really that popular, he should retire, wait two years and then try his hand at politics.

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good analysis,

this cheap justice should get put in jail with 5 tigers, would get what he deserved.

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:smack:

and please dnt tell me now that he was elected legaly.

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ns obvously wants to get cheap justice restored as he will let him free and remove all his cases, as he knows any court would strip him naked and feed him to the dogs, so this is ns only bet

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That’s just great. Musharraf err..“President” Musharraf not only elects people illegally, he discards them illegally too.

Well atleast he’s consistent in something he does. :slight_smile:

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Actually reading ur one post means one can tell about ur all previous and future posts only by the title, ur post normally contains the idealogy of Pro-Mush and/or MQM's. So why should one waste his time to read what is already been said int he newspapers...

As far as justice is concerned, MQM and non other political party has ever tried for that, and now when the ray of hope is there ( fake or real thats another issue) these political parties are standing against it... WHAT A JOKE...

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Ofcourse he shud not be reinstated otherwise he will re open the inquiry into May 12 massacre and may be will take notice of lawyers burnt alive in Karachi

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ok if he was elected illegally then y making a mess over discarding him ilegally?:hmmm:

y these “mazloom log”(lawyers and judges) didnt protes then???

they only protest wen sum1 gets them out they have no problem if sum1 is offering them illegal post!!

wow!!! wat a justice!!!

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Which CJ in our history, beside Iftikhar Chaudhry, did not bend to will of the executive power? And, all those PCO judges...they are also politically compromised individuals, and if he has go, thn they all should be shown the door, and new judges should be appointed who should clearly be told they must follow the law no matter what. In fact, those judges who took oath on PCO (1999 and 2007) along with Mushrraf and other crooked army geneals should all be arrested & tried for treason under article 6th of the constitution.

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Read again Black Cat!

I didn’t say he was appointed illegally. Someone else did. I was just replying to it.

And even if that was true, the illegal imposition of emergency/marshall law in the disguise of fighting terrorism just to discard judges is still very very illegal by all constitutional means, so it cannot be justified by saying “hey he wasn’t appointed legally anyways”.

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All the talk about PCO-judges and non-PCO judges (is there any?) is just a bunch of legal and political mumbo jumbo that is discussed non-stop just to prove that all are naked in this pond. Personally, I find that whole discussion boring. My only point is thst I have seldom seen any situation where the Chief Justice of a country is going around addressing public rallies (yeah, yeah, bar associations or whatever) and making political appearances. Effective judges are generally reclusive, and usually only make public news through their judicial decisions.

As a practical matter, lets say CJ Ifti is restored and now our beloved Aitezaz Ahsan is pleading a case in front of him, how do you think Ifti will rule on that case. He is a basket case now. Don't care about the other dudes, but this guy can't be an effective Chief Justice (or even an SC judge) anymore. Any thing he'll do, any ruling he makes will be politicized. It is completely unworkable.

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well atleast you have admitted he was always an illegal cheap justice and shows your hypocracy for supporting him.
again like i said you are here just to provide laughts for us in a serious discussion place, keep it up beta.

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ye and he also might open cases like karz utoo mulk savoo and ghar apna scheme and call them nation saving schemes.
and just maybe he may call the attacking of supreme court by nawaz and goons a savoir of the judicary,

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well i take it that his supporters are even more hypocrites then he is.

wa ki, kya justice hai :biggthumb