why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

[Med911]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@javedmiandad

as expected asked a simple question why have the atheist/ secular government not solved world hunger or world debt?

The response from the blind supporters of secularism had no answer because they cannot solve these problems. They not even brave enough to admit it, they promoting kuffar i.e non islam and one meaning of kuffar in classic arabic is to hide the truth.

You got an answer, you just dont like the answer. It was a rather stupid question to begin with though.

You really are an embarrassment to yourself and Muslims in general im sorry to say.

[Med911]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@bao_bihari

You missed the point :)

Kindly re read what i posted. I will not waste my time on explaining this.

I dont think anyone could possibly understand your point... Multinational companies are used to control countries like Pakistan? How is that relevant to the role of secular democracies not resolving global hunger?

[psyah]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@Med911

You got an answer, you just dont like the answer. It was a rather stupid question to begin with though.

You really are an embarrassment to yourself and Muslims in general im sorry to say.

Peace Med911

No he is not an embarrassment to himself and he is not an embarrassment to Muslims ... His intentions are noble and you can see he is defending Muslims without adopting the apologetic approach ... If anything he has raised an argument similar in nature to those that are being levelled against us ... If his question is out of context then so are the accusations against Muslims for not contributing ... The fact is Muslims are everywhere ... Behind every modern development and research ... The recognition however is going to the chiefs and heads who happen not to be Muslims, at the moment but things are beginning to change.

[Med911]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@psyah

Peace Med911

No he is not an embarrassment to himself and he is not an embarrassment to Muslims ... His intentions are noble and you can see he is defending Muslims without adopting the apologetic approach ... If anything he has raised an argument similar in nature to those that are being levelled against us ... If his question is out of context then so are the accusations against Muslims for not contributing ... The fact is Muslims are everywhere ... Behind every modern development and research ... The recognition however is going to the chiefs and heads who happen not to be Muslims, at the moment but things are beginning to change.

That the US and Europe havent resolved hunger in countries they have very little if any control over is a failure of Secular Democracy is valid question in your eyes?

And then he goes on to accuse anyone who believes in the merits of secularism as spreading "kufar." That's

[psyah]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@Med911

That the US and Europe havent resolved hunger in countries they have very little if any control over is a failure of Secular Democracy is valid question in your eyes?

And then he goes on to accuse anyone who believes in the merits of secularism as spreading "kufar." That's

The way I viewed his comment was as sarcasm ... Countering the accusative question, "What have Muslims done for the betterment of humanity?" So he is refuting one inanity with another ... By saying ... "Well if you think you are so good then how comes more people are hungry around the world as result of your 'progression' ?"

Phrased as he put it ... "Done for world hunger?" ... Knowing that the western ideal actually contributes to world hunger ... How can the West resolve a matter that they are causing?

Hmm let me see ... "GM food" that is their best answer ...

[muqawwee123]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@psyah

Peace Med911

No he is not an embarrassment to himself and he is not an embarrassment to Muslims … His intentions are noble and you can see he is defending Muslims without adopting the apologetic approach … If anything he has raised an argument similar in nature to those that are being levelled against us … If his question is out of context then so are the accusations against Muslims for not contributing … The fact is Muslims are everywhere … Behind every modern development and research … The recognition however is going to the chiefs and heads who happen not to be Muslims, at the moment but things are beginning to change.

Aks per na itrao, aaina hamara hai :halo:

[ajazali]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

Being rude adds nothing logical to posts, is that so hard to understand?

@Med911

Well, you dont understand what the actual atheists are saying, so you misrepresent them. Now I put it into context for you, but because you are inherently biased, and your intent is only to disagree and not debate, you still refuse to understand, only because of your prejudice. so obviously, no amount of reason or logic wil work on you because you have already made up your mind. How should I approach someone who is not willing to listen other then to ignore them?

I cannot comment on your judgement that i am biased and pejudice but lets evalute by third person.
You said i am biased against atheist, but you being ignorant continue to argu inspite of my argument that your explaination carries no weight as no atheist will approve your explaination.
lets do small thing to identify who is biased and pejudice, as you came in on my reply to Kprsad now you ask him to endorse you explaination. otherwise stop being translator of atheists.

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Your emaan is weak if you believe Dawkins is a threat. Why should you be threatened by Dawkins?
Your just presenting a picture of Islam that portrays her followers as being ignorant..

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lolz, My stance is against yours, isn’t it enough to distinguish between you and me?
And where did i say I am threatened by Dawkins? just telling you his version on Religion make me threatened by him?

Let me tell you a secret of emaan. Its beauty of emaan that more it is attacked stronger it will be, the only thing you need is put little effort to seek His guidance and He will guide you.

I suggest you read Holy Quran with open heart and you will get answer to what is emaan.
It reminds me a verse From Nobel Quran, although this is not that suitable congregation and that Verse is in context of Munafiqeen. But I am not labeling it on you, just to tell you what my Source of inspiration is.

see below, as if Nobel Quran is talking to the people of the day.
[2:13] And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not.

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You challenge Islam the same way you challenge any religion. What kind of dumb statement is that? You can challenge any idea, and if that idea is what it claims, then it will stand vindicated. Dont bother explaining anything, the absurdity of your last statement doesnt speak well of your capacity for reasoned debate on the subject. Honestly man, you and this "javedMiandad" person should educate yourselves before posting or try to think. I mean this sincerely, you really sound so ignorant when you post such things. I dont know how help you beyond asking you to try to read something other then your madrassa syllabus, im sorry.
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Challenging Faith and asking for help when you have any confusion(logical or spiritual) related to some practice of Islam are two vastly different things.
You people came to challenge, hope you understand the difference, as you said you believe in spirituality :)

[Ghost14]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

Back to the original question: why hasn't God?

[Krypton]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

And would yo please clarify what atheist goverents you're talking about
Secular does not equal atheist.

[Southie]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

^ secular does not equal atheist. Doesn't matter how many times this is pointed out, some keep equating the two.

To add, nothing wrong with being religious or atheist. In a secular system, all have equal rights.

[kakaballi]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@javedmiandad

as expected asked a simple question why have the atheist/ secular government not solved world hunger or world debt?.

I need to know who is this world indebted to?

[psyah]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@kakaballi

I need to know who is this world indebted to?

Rothschild's

[kaka_in_usa]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@Ghost14

Back to the original question: why hasn't God?

Good question. I like you already.

Let me stretch it a bit more. Lets say that gods dont care about 'aethiests' or 'secularists' then why hasnt they solved hunger problem of people who follow them. It looks like gods dont discriminate among believers and non believers.

So according to the original post, is even god an atheist since he/she hasnt solved the world problem?

[Med911]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@ajazali

Being rude adds nothing logical to posts, is that so hard to understand?

I cannot comment on your judgement that i am biased and pejudice but lets evalute by third person. You said i am biased against atheist, but you being ignorant continue to argu inspite of my argument that your explaination carries no weight as no atheist will approve your explaination. lets do small thing to identify who is biased and pejudice, as you came in on my reply to Kprsad now you ask him to endorse you explaination. otherwise stop being translator of atheists.

lolz, My stance is against yours, isn’t it enough to distinguish between you and me? And where did i say I am threatened by Dawkins? just telling you his version on Religion make me threatened by him?

Let me tell you a secret of emaan. Its beauty of emaan that more it is attacked stronger it will be, the only thing you need is put little effort to seek His guidance and He will guide you.

I suggest you read Holy Quran with open heart and you will get answer to what is emaan. It reminds me a verse From Nobel Quran, although this is not that suitable congregation and that Verse is in context of Munafiqeen. But I am not labeling it on you, just to tell you what my Source of inspiration is.

see below, as if Nobel Quran is talking to the people of the day. [2:13] And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not.

Challenging Faith and asking for help when you have any confusion(logical or spiritual) related to some practice of Islam are two vastly different things. You people came to challenge, hope you understand the difference, as you said you believe in spirituality :)

Your not getting it. Its ok.

[Med911]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@psyah

The way I viewed his comment was as sarcasm ... Countering the accusative question, "What have Muslims done for the betterment of humanity?" So he is refuting one inanity with another ... By saying ... "Well if you think you are so good then how comes more people are hungry around the world as result of your 'progression' ?"

Phrased as he put it ... "Done for world hunger?" ... Knowing that the western ideal actually contributes to world hunger ... How can the West resolve a matter that they are causing?

Hmm let me see ... "GM food" that is their best answer ...

Your giving him far to much credit to assume its sarcasm. Its not the first time these ultra conservative nuts have posted such absurd nonsense.

A better way to counter such accusative questions is not with absurd counter questioning, it would be through actual examples of how Muslims have improved the world.

At least the Western counties have actual examples of how they have improved living standards. They can back their boast with actual results.

Even if hunger has not been eradicated, and it is the fault of the west, what does that have to do with Secularism? Secularism is not the remedy for global hunger, and its never claimed to be.

GM foods are everyone's favorite punching bag (again, what the hell Secularism has to do with GM is anyone's guess).. How about doing some research on how GM foods have changed the world for the better. Made crops more resilient and durable, more affordable as well. Americans have all been eating Genetically modified foods, and we seem to be doing fine.

[kakaballi]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@kakaballi

I need to know who is this world indebted to?

@psyah

Rothschild's

Which planet they from?

[psyah]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

Well it's not Kolob

[javedmiandad]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@Med911

You got an answer, you just dont like the answer. It was a rather stupid question to begin with though.

You really are an embarrassment to yourself and Muslims in general im sorry to say.

You had no answer thats the reality come on tell us then why hasn't world poverty been solved by the big mouth secularist governments? i hear silence.

the only one who is an embarrassment is you and your sad attempts to sell us kuffar secularism and trying that on a predominantly muslim forum now that is desperate.

[Med911]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@javedmiandad

You had no answer thats the reality come on tell us then why hasn't world poverty been solved by the big mouth secularist governments? i hear silence.

the only one who is an embarrassment is you and your sad attempts to sell us kuffar secularism and trying that on a predominantly muslim forum now that is desperate.

Let me repeat. Here is your answer...

The reason SECULAR democracy hasnt solved global Hunger:

1. Secularism never claimed to be a solution to GLOBAL hunger. Secularism and democracy only create a stable environment that can further facilitate economic and social growth.

2. The govts that are Democratic and Secular do NOT control other nations, so they are not responsible for the failures of the countries in question. This is an obvious fact. However, a good start for any country trying to tackle poverty and hunger is the establishment of a secular democracy. Because it creates an environment that fosters equity and thus creates social harmony. its only through the stability offered by such systems that a nation can hope to create a viable economic platform from which to grow and solve complex issues like poverty and hunger.

3. There are many complex reason for the existence of poverty and hunger. Simply being secular and democratic doesnt instantly resolve the complex issues that are involved. Secular democracy is a means to an ends, but not the end unto itself.

4. You dont understand what secular means, and you seem to have a very shallow understanding of Islam and the world in general. You use cliches like the term "Kuffar," and pretend you know what your takling about, but i dont think u do. Brother Psyah well meaning as he is, believes your just being sarcastic. I think you genuinely feel that the existence is poverty is a rebuke of secular democracy as whole... I mean, your argument is so pathetically asinine, it probably should have been ignored.

[kaka_in_usa]

Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?

@javedmiandad

You had no answer thats the reality come on tell us then why hasn't world poverty been solved by the big mouth secularist governments? i hear silence.

the only one who is an embarrassment is you and your sad attempts to sell us kuffar secularism and trying that on a predominantly muslim forum now that is desperate.

If those said gots are so bad then why are you living in france. Why do you earn your living in a evil govt which banned burqa.

I will take athiests over munafiqs anyday.