the athiests and secularist like to lecture the muslims about how great their non beliefs are, they have been ruling the nations on earth for well over hundred years.
if we take just last 60 years they say they have produced the most wealth ever but…
If it so fantastic why have their ideas for the world failed especially they have not solved fundamental issues like world hunger or world debt?
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the athiests and secularist like to lecture the muslims about how great their non beliefs are, they have been ruling the nations on earth for well over hundred years.
if we take just last 60 years they say they have produced the most wealth ever but.......
If it so fantastic why have their ideas for the world failed especially they have not solved fundamental issues like world hunger or world debt?
Secularists aren't necessarily Atheist. And Atheists arent necesarily opposed to religion (at least as long as it doesn't involve them). Now if your not smart enough to know that then why even post.
And world hunger hasnt been solved because the countries you refer to dont run the world, they only run their own countries. And those that created these systems, never claimed they were perfect.
Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?
the athiests and secularist like to lecture the muslims about how great their non beliefs are, they have been ruling the nations on earth for well over hundred years.
if we take just last 60 years they say they have produced the most wealth ever but.......
If it so fantastic why have their ideas for the world failed especially they have not solved fundamental issues like world hunger or world debt?
And at least the Secularists and Atheists have a system to present. What have you or your ilk ever presented as an alternative that didn't involve depriving women of one thing or another, and religious police going around arresting people for some arbitrary violation of some vaguely understood Islamic edict.
Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?
the athiests and secularist like to lecture the muslims about how great their non beliefs are, they have been ruling the nations on earth for well over hundred years.
if we take just last 60 years they say they have produced the most wealth ever but.......
If it so fantastic why have their ideas for the world failed especially they have not solved fundamental issues like world hunger or world debt?
interesting, thanks for sharing this idea.
few days back a guy shared a post in world affairs that world top philanthropists are non-muslim. it was surprising for me because i used to believe that muslims are top philanthropists. so i started my own researh but wikipedia was also showing same result. at last i realize their criteria of considering someone a philanthropist that can be get from following example of news.
some private organization is collecting funds in billions of dollars for sending a person in space to sustain the superiority of america in the race of space technology. see how bluntly and shamelessly they are making world fool. and you will still see some claiming that atheists are the biggest philanthropists.
they are too busy in making this world fool in the name of development of sharp edge technologies. how irony is that world's most of energy is being consumed for sharp edge technologies yet they themselves claim that they are the biggest philanthropists.
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and i am of a firm believe that no true believer would ever want secularism for his country provided that he knows his religion protects the rights of minorities.
on a philosophical note, it makes no sense for a true believer to undermine his religion as considering it incapable of governing people efficiently.
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Well I'm not surprised ... every year Miss World contestants repeat the mantra for solving world hunger and they never actually get away from the glamour to get it done. I'm not gonna vote for the next queen - she'll just lie like all the rest of them who came before her ... I mean that is the reason they get voted in - isn't it?
interesting, thanks for sharing this idea.
few days back a guy shared a post in world affairs that world top philanthropists are non-muslim. it was surprising for me because i used to believe that muslims are top philanthropists. so i started my own researh but wikipedia was also showing same result. at last i realize their criteria of considering someone a philanthropist that can be get from following example of news.
some private organization is collecting funds in billions of dollars for sending a person in space to sustain the superiority of america in the race of space technology. see how bluntly and shamelessly they are making world fool. and you will still see some claiming that atheists are the biggest philanthropists.
they are too busy in making this world fool in the name of development of sharp edge technologies. how irony is that world’s most of energy is being consumed for sharp edge technologies yet they themselves claim that they are the biggest philanthropists.
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Highest charity donor religious group in uk are muslims.
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Its the way they run their own countries that create hunger.
The wars they start(read somalia/iraq/afghanistan) to protect their countries from some supposed damaged(pre emptive strikes) , the MNC they have created.
KILLING THEM SWEETLY
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Are these countries worry about these companies, no becuase they are earning becuase of these companies as well. Rather they wage war on others just to maximize profits of these companies.
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Never knew atheism was about world hunger. News to me.
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.....world debt?
whom is this world indebted to? Martian people?
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Maybe they are clever to make third world indebted to them, but actually not clever enough to save their own people from this disease. Debt is the biggest reason for depression among Americans.
Re: why have the athiest governments not solved world hunger ?
Secularists aren't necessarily Atheist. And Atheists arent necesarily opposed to religion (at least as long as it doesn't involve them). Now if your not smart enough to know that then why even post.
And world hunger hasnt been solved because the countries you refer to dont run the world, they only run their own countries. And those that created these systems, never claimed they were perfect.
before judging others smartness you should know what Richard dawkins and fellows has to say about religion. atheists movement draw the strength from the ideas of Richard dawkins and fellows, they kinda said "religion should not simply be tolerated but
should be countered, criticized..."
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Never knew atheism was about world hunger. News to me.
Because its *******, and stupid ideas are never mainstream... These Islamists are sooo desperate...
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before judging others smartness you should know what Richard dawkins and fellows has to say about religion. atheists movement draw the strength from the ideas of Richard dawkins and fellows, they kinda said "religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized..."
First of all, Dawkins is not the Khalifah of all Atheists. So because he has a certain perspective, does not mean all Atheists agree with him.
Secondly, If your imaan is so weak that Richard Dawkins and his assertions that we should Challenge Islam is a threat to you, then your problem isnt with him, its with your own imaan. Islam should be able to withstand the onslaught from Dawkins I should think.
Third, Dawkins doesnt mean we should ban Islam or Muslims, or any religion, he means we should challenge the assertions of religious people. By not "tolerating" their assertions, he means calling out people for what is wrong. So similar to how many Muslims will call out people of other faiths for whatever they consider to be false ideology, so atheists are encouraged by the likes of Dawkins to challenge what they consider to be false.
There is nothing wrong with debating Islam and its tenets. Challenging Islam (meaning countering it) is not the same as opposing it outright.
Suffice to say, an Atheist would not support a blanket ban on all non State sanctioned religions as in Saudi, or the Anti Ahmadi laws of Pakistan.
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Maybe they are clever to make third world indebted to them, but actually not clever enough to save their own people from this disease. Debt is the biggest reason for depression among Americans.
Oh for god sakes. Try to THINK just a little bit please. The reason people like you are living past 45 today, or made it past childhood is thanks to vaccinations created by the "Godless" west. So they arent just saving their own people from disease, they are saving people in developing countries as well.
And Debt may not be an ideal way of running your economy, but debt has allowed people of all walks of life a high degree of upward mobility. That we Pakistanis living in the US can own homes and educate ourselves is thanks to loans. If it weren't for loans, how in the hell would any of us manage to buy homes or educate ourselves? do you know how much it costs to go to a decent University?
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Nestle is not a representative of Secular Democracy, it is an independent coportation.
The fact that there are poor countries in the world where there is hunger has nothing to do with secular democracy. Pakistan is not ruled y the US, neither is India, or any other country where hunger happens to exist.
And I doubt you will suffer off Hunger if you accidentally consume one of Nestles products i can assure you. i have had Nestle Water bottles in Pakistan for example, and found it extremely refreshing. I was particularly relieved to not have gotten Hep B or worse from drinking the local water your system of governance has so proudly purveyed to you hapless Momins…
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i told you his stance on religion that you didnt know otherwise you must not have railed on OP. now you are giving nice explanations of Dawkins statement, it carries no weight as no atheist will approve your explanation. how can you conclude that it is problem with my emaan?
i am here to do as much as i can do to show people the other side of so-called beautiful picture of ideas by nonbelievers.
and there is no difference between challenging islam and countering islam as islam is based on faith system and faith cannot be challenged.
you either believe or dont believe, there is no third option.
i explained what you people argu for, that is absurdity. is that how you challenge islam?
i will explain more how you people argu for absurdity by replying your posts in detail if that was not enough.
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i told you his stance on religion that you didnt know otherwise you must not have railed on OP. now you are giving nice explanations of Dawkins statement, it carries no weight as no atheist will approve your explanation. how can you conclude that it is problem with my emaan? i am here to do as much as i can do to show people the other side of so-called beautiful picture of ideas by nonbelievers. and there is no difference between challenging islam and countering islam as islam is based on faith system and faith cannot be challenged. you either believe or dont believe, there is no third option.
i explained what you people argu for, that is absurdity. is that how you challenge islam? i will explain more how you people argu for absurdity by replying your posts in detail if that was not enough.
Well, you dont understand what the actual atheists are saying, so you misrepresent them. Now I put it into context for you, but because you are inherently biased, and your intent is only to disagree and not debate, you still refuse to understand, only because of your prejudice. so obviously, no amount of reason or logic wil work on you because you have already made up your mind. How should I approach someone who is not willing to listen other then to ignore them?
Your emaan is weak if you believe Dawkins is a threat. Why should you be threatened by Dawkins?
Your just presenting a picture of Islam that portrays her followers as being ignorant..
You challenge Islam the same way you challenge any religion. What kind of dumb statement is that? You can challenge any idea, and if that idea is what it claims, then it will stand vindicated. Dont bother explaining anything, the absurdity of your last statement doesnt speak well of your capacity for reasoned debate on the subject. Honestly man, you and this "javedMiandad" person should educate yourselves before posting or try to think. I mean this sincerely, you really sound so ignorant when you post such things. I dont know how help you beyond asking you to try to read something other then your madrassa syllabus, im sorry.
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Nestle is not a representative of Secular Democracy, it is an independent coportation.
The fact that there are poor countries in the world where there is hunger has nothing to do with secular democracy. Pakistan is not ruled y the US, neither is India, or any other country where hunger happens to exist.
And I doubt you will suffer off Hunger if you accidentally consume one of Nestles products i can assure you. i have had Nestle Water bottles in Pakistan for example, and found it extremely refreshing. I was particularly relieved to not have gotten Hep B or worse from drinking the local water your system of governance has so proudly purveyed to you hapless Momins...
You missed the point :)
Kindly re read what i posted. I will not waste my time on explaining this.
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as expected asked a simple question why have the atheist/ secular government not solved world hunger or world debt?
The response from the blind supporters of secularism had no answer because they cannot solve these problems. They not even brave enough to admit it, they promoting kuffar i.e non islam and one meaning of kuffar in classic arabic is to hide the truth.