bro may be u r confusing zaeef with madu ahdith…a zaeef hadis is inwhich atleast one rawi is not worth narrating..but if nearly the same mazmoon is also given in any other hadis with different ravis then the hadis can be used in fazail …
2-the website is not official tableeghee website…
3-Mooulana zakria kandhlvi died in 1984 …where did he excessivly mentioned in fazail e aamal his name…
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
Thats the whole point.
They gave references of Hadith and than they don't give references
of Hadith. The point is THEY DON"T Have references of Hadith.
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i have fazail e ammal and they have given all refrences......kindly posts the chapter in which i can find the hadith.....dont mess up with website it is not official ...........
Ridiculing Islam
Mahabat Khan Bangash
A few days back I was travelling from Dubai to Peshawar on Emirate Airways. I was performing morning prayers in my seat, when I heard a call of ‘Aazaan’ in the plane, which a man clad in typical Tableeghi Jamaat dress was performing. This call disturbed all the fatigued passengers, including ladies and the non-Muslims, who were resting and sleeping in their seats. On seeing, that I was praying, the Tableeghi suggested me with his finger signal to follow him for ba jamaat ie collective prayers. I was confused because apparently there was no space in the plane for collective prayers. However, the man took me to the rear at the kitchen site where the female service staff was ready to serve breakfast to the passengers. There the stubborn Tableeghi, without minding the situation and shortage of space, stood in a narrow passage and started prayers with a single follower who was myself. This interrupted the performance of the flight staff and the service was withheld until the prayers were finished.
Are these the ways in which tableeghis are teaching Islam by travelling throughout the world or it is ridiculing Islam. Even Almighty Allah has provided concessions of five time prayers during journey and at odd occasions, but as it seems the tableeghis go a few steps forward to the commands of Allah. I am sorry that I have lost my lifetime admiration which I had for Tableeghi Jamaat missions.
Such kind of conducts cannot be called teachings of Islam rather these are ridiculing Islam.
Kohat
It is an individual incident…and it has nothing to do with tableghee aqaid…
also it is just one side story…may be the bangash khan sahib had some biased view which made him think so…
wasalam
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*Originally posted by bao bihari: *
i have fazail e ammal and they have given all refrences......kindly posts the chapter in which i can find the hadith.....dont mess up with website it is not official ...........
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Assalam Aleekum
As you have asked me not to read Fazail Amal from website, i will not.
I will try to get hold of The book.
But please let me know about the version of the book that you have.
Atleast tell me the table of contents.
and also tell me is there a Hadith about 15 punishments for not offering
Salat.Let me as soon as possible.
I do not have enough knowledge to say anything about their beleifs or anything. I was more intrigued by the topic of the thread.
I have no idea why they do not call and schedule a time. I would have no isue setting some time aside to talk to them, but in pretty much every encounter that I have had with them, they just show up.
The one time during undergrad when we did tell them that we will schedule a meeting at a certain time at a certain guy;s apartment and all those interested will comne, these guys offended everyone by askign every person walking in to recite teh kalma, and when a person refused on principle, they called him a kaffir to his face. Needless to say, the rest of teh evening did not go as well as it could have because enough people were offended by this attitude that they walked out.
Can i ask you one thing?
Do you Guys Follow TABLEEGHI JAMMAT or Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H.
There is no such thing as Tableehi Jammat..its ppl who gave the name.
Let me ask you one thing What did Nabi Pak S.A.W did in him life time and what did he teach's his Sahaba's what was main reason he was sent in this world ? How did islam went to all over the world ? let say if sahabah were to stay in Arab peninsula would we be Moslem today ?
now as we know there is no Prophet going to come. So who's responsibility is it to do the work of dawah..
And everyone says that's tableegi jammat do this wrong did this. Ok i agree not every one is perfect. not everyone is Muolana or Mufti not everyone have knowledge of whole Din. they are ppl like you and me sometimes they are wrong. What did Nabi Pak S.A.W and sahaba teach other it took sahaba's many many years to learn quran..
so looking at that lots of ppl say why don't tableehi jammat teach go to non-Muslims let me ask you ques do you have guts to take tableghi jammat to your non-muslim neighbors.
how many of 2 billion(i could be wrong) and counting Muslim follow complete din?
one can argue all day..
the way i look at it is i am doing the work of Allah shown by prophet S.A.W.
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*Originally posted by root105: *
Can i ask you one thing?
Do you Guys Follow TABLEEGHI JAMMAT or Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H.
There is no such thing as Tableehi Jammat..its ppl who gave the name.
Let me ask you one thing What did Nabi Pak S.A.W did in him life time and what did he teach's his Sahaba's what was main reason he was sent in this world ? How did islam went to all over the world ? let say if sahabah were to stay in Arab peninsula would we be Moslem today ?
now as we know there is no Prophet going to come. So who's responsibility is it to do the work of dawah..
And everyone says that's tableegi jammat do this wrong did this. Ok i agree not every one is perfect. not everyone is Muolana or Mufti not everyone have knowledge of whole Din. they are ppl like you and me sometimes they are wrong. What did Nabi Pak S.A.W and sahaba teach other it took sahaba's many many years to learn quran..
so looking at that lots of ppl say why don't tableehi jammat teach go to non-Muslims let me ask you ques do you have guts to take tableghi jammat to your non-muslim neighbors.
how many of 2 billion(i could be wrong) and counting Muslim follow complete din?
one can argue all day..
the way i look at it is i am doing the work of Allah shown by prophet S.A.W.
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My question is why can't they use authentic book(s).
Even If somebody uses one false hadith. To me they are
not on the straight path.
dude,
you don't have to use Fazial A Amal....there are several other books.
and there always Quran to teach us. can you tell me what haatidh are you refering to ?
Bro,
Salaam, This is very very worng..i guess you should have told them that they have no right to judge others..this is basic of islam..can i tell you one thing don't quit doing good ammal just because of few ppl..after all when you die there is no one going to help you in your grave..be humble if they are worng prove it....and don't be offended buz of few ppl..
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
The one time during undergrad when we did tell them that we will schedule a meeting at a certain time at a certain guy;s apartment and all those interested will comne, these guys offended everyone by askign every person walking in to recite teh kalma, and when a person refused on principle, they called him a kaffir to his face. Needless to say, the rest of teh evening did not go as well as it could have because enough people were offended by this attitude that they walked out.
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*Originally posted by root105: *
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There is no such thing as Tableehi Jammat..its ppl who gave the name.
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and they conveneniently continue to use it instead of adopting an appropriate name.
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Let me ask you one thing What did Nabi Pak S.A.W did in him life time and what did he teach's his Sahaba's what was main reason he was sent in this world ? How did islam went to all over the world ? let say if sahabah were to stay in Arab peninsula would we be Moslem today ?
now as we know there is no Prophet going to come. So who's responsibility is it to do the work of dawah..
And everyone says that's tableegi jammat do this wrong did this. Ok i agree not every one is perfect. not everyone is Muolana or Mufti not everyone have knowledge of whole Din. they are ppl like you and me sometimes they are wrong. What did Nabi Pak S.A.W and sahaba teach other it took sahaba's many many years to learn quran.
so looking at that lots of ppl say why don't tableehi jammat teach go to non-Muslims let me ask you ques do you have guts to take tableghi jammat to your non-muslim neighbors.
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Brother, look at your own post. You first said that Islam spread to different regions of the world, then you defend them not approaching non-Muslims. If the sahabahs didn't approach non-Muslims how did they pass the message on? Did they wait for someone in an area to convert to Islam and then ran to him to get his assistance so he can introduce them to his non-Muslim neighbors?
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how many of 2 billion(i could be wrong) and counting Muslim follow complete din?
one can argue all day..
the way i look at it is i am doing the work of Allah shown by prophet S.A.W.
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May Allah swt guide you and us towards the right path and clear us away from delusions, ameen.
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*Originally posted by root105: *
dude,
you don't have to use Fazial A Amal....there are several other books.
and there always Quran to teach us. can you tell me what haatidh are you refering to ?
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Try telling your ameer that you dont' want to use/read Fazail-e-Amal when you go out with jamaa't next time.
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
Try telling your ameer that you dont' want to use/read Fazail-e-Amal when you go out with jamaa't next time.
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why dont read fazail e aamal .....i say this is very lame excuse for not doing tableegh.....fazail e aamal is just a primary hadith book for fazail ......it is just for promoting some eeman and to motivate ppl ...nothing else...no one base his eeman on fazail e aamal .....
it is very logical that tableeghees use fazail e aamal a there only book for taaleem ...other wise if left on ppl descretion ...u'll get all sorts of books during taaleem ....which will most probably have adverse effect
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Originally posted by bao bihari: *
why dont read fazail e aamal .....i say this is very lame excuse for not doing **tableegh*.....fazail e aamal is just a primary hadith book for fazail ......it is just for promoting some eeman and to motivate ppl ...nothing else...no one base his eeman on fazail e aamal ........
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:)
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*Originally posted by bao bihari: *
why dont read fazail e aamal .....i say this is very lame excuse for not doing tableegh.....fazail e aamal is just a primary hadith book for fazail ......it is just for promoting some eeman and to motivate ppl ...nothing else...no one base his eeman on fazail e aamal .....
it is very logical that tableeghees use fazail e aamal a there only book for taaleem ...other wise if left on ppl descretion ...u'll get all sorts of books during taaleem ....which will most probably have adverse effect
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*Originally posted by bao bihari: *
why dont read fazail e aamal .....i say this is very lame excuse for not doing tableegh.....fazail e aamal is just a primary hadith book for fazail ......it is just for promoting some eeman and to motivate ppl ...nothing else...no one base his eeman on fazail e aamal .....
it is very logical that tableeghees use fazail e aamal a there only book for taaleem ...other wise if left on ppl descretion ...u'll get all sorts of books during taaleem ....which will most probably have adverse effect
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Tell me one thing. Is it fair to say That Holy Prophet Muhammad(May
Allah's peace and blessing be upon him) said something which he(SAW)
never said. What is the point of basing THIS tabligh on lies.
Is this Holy Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) taught us.
WHY CAN"T THESE "TABLIGEES" use a authentic book.
Its a Sufi sect. That's all.
it is just for promoting some eeman and to motivate ppl ...nothing else
Promote some emman and motivate people through lies.
Yes, people in millions attend their "Ijtimas" but what is the use.
Do you understand, what will happen to people in Akiraha who says
lie about Holy Prophet Muhammad(may Allahs peace and blessing be
upon him).
^ kindly post info what are you refering too ?
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
Tell me one thing. Is it fair to say That Holy Prophet Muhammad(May
Allah's peace and blessing be upon him) said something which he(SAW)
never said. What is the point of basing THIS tabligh on lies.
Is this Holy Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) taught us.
WHY CAN"T THESE "TABLIGEES" use a authentic book.
Its a Sufi sect. That's all.
it is just for promoting some eeman and to motivate ppl ...nothing else
Promote some emman and motivate people through lies.
Yes, people in millions attend their "Ijtimas" but what is the use.
Do you understand, what will happen to people in Akiraha who says
lie about Holy Prophet Muhammad(may Allahs peace and blessing be
upon him).
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Can u quote some specifically where in fazail e aamal this has happened....and kindly also post ur comment on the query .......why u think it should not be included...
much appreciated...