Why doesn’t our military realize that if we don’t have democracy then the demons of seperatism will rise and blame “punjabi establishment” for all of our problems.
For all of Bhutto’s faults, PPP is the only truely NATIONAL party in Pakistan and creates a sense of unity in our country !!! No other party can claim to be a national party. MQM doesn’t win seats outside of karachi, PML is wins 90% of its votes in punjab. ONLY PPP wins a large chuck in all provinces !!! The pakistani establishment should be encouraging PPP to take part in a FAIR election to sideline the fringe elements in sindh who are separatists like “jia sindh” movement.
The military dictators are acting in very arogant way and creating a Bengladesh like situation. They are trying to rig the election against the PPP. Why don’t they just let the democratic process go forward on its own and slowly bring stability. I agree that PPP and Nawaz were not doing a good job in 1990’s but I think they have matured and I think military dictatorship doesn’t work any more in the 21st century
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Pakistan is not ready for democracy. In NWFP and Baluchistan, democracy has yielded an Islamist government that wants to implement the Hisbah law. How can it then be democratic to override the mandate of this democratic government and set aside the Hisbah law?
Pakistan cannot have full democracy like Western countries. It needs a guided supervised semi-democracy, which is controlled by the military. A bit like Turkey.
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^ Political parties will never do this. What is needed is a strong military government, aided and assisted by able technocrats such as Shaukat Aziz etc.
This government should then do the following:
(i) adopt a mass education program and triple spending on education,
(ii) get rid of feudalism by enacting massive and far-reaching land reforms,
(iii) get rid of corruption by making it punishable by death,
(iv) institute national service so that the young receive training in citizenship and nation-building.
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^ Political parties will never do this. What is needed is a strong military government, aided and assisted by able technocrats such as Shaukat Aziz etc.
if shaukat aziz changes his last name to bhutto then maybe..
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Although I did not support PPP before, I am going to vote for them now since Imran Khan is not contesting the elections. Apart from being a truly national party the thing that impresses me most about PPP is that most of their top people are well-educated - Amin Fahim, Sherry Rehman, Fakhr-e-Imam, Begum Abida Hussain, Aitezaz Ehsan (a Cambridge-educated top lawyer, I think he's still in PPP). Bilawal will soon be an Oxford-grad. PML (N) apart from NS and Javed Hashmi is full of maulvi-type conservative people and gaamay maajay, dhuggas like Raja Zafar-ul-Haq etc.
Our military is khooni. First they killed the country's first democratically elected PM Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and I am more than convinced now that PML (Q) in collaboration with the lower ranks in our shady intelligence services killed BB, indirectly implicating Mush as PML (Q) is his lota party.
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dont forget the real top dawg…zardari.
what better reason to vote for PPP
btw aitezaz was not going to take part in elections because of philosophical differences with the party leadership (aka BB)
PS: no one was elected democratically before ZAB?
PS2: wasn’t mujeeb elected democratically and not ZAB anyways? :halo:
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But Zardari has clearly stated that he won't be the next PM even if PPP won the forthcoming elections. Amin Fahim is their likely candidate. Hence I have no problems with that. Some similarities with India there where Sonia Gandhi despite being the Congress Party chair-person asked Man Mohan Singh to form the next government
Yes Mujeeb was the elected PM as per constitution but you know what I meant there. ZAB was easily the most impressive statesman we had since Jinnah. He had a great personality, the way he spoke, the way he dressed himself, the way he walked and the way he conducted himself in the media and public. He was a genius and the country could have benefited a lot from his intelligence and wisdom. Allama Iqbal's son Justice (r) Javed Iqbal and Imran Khan also acknowledge that fact. I think ZAB was badly let down by his advisers. Nevertheless our nuclear programme is a credit to ZAB
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What good is this education if these politicians then plunder the state's resources and incite disaffection amongst the masses?
I have studied in Oxford myself - believe me, the place does not have any magic about it that transforms a person into a benevolent ruler. There have been plenty of African dictators and child-murderers who studied at Oxford. Even Bugti studied at Oxford - what did he end up as?
Look at how successful the Chinese are - how many of their leaders went to Oxford?
Pakistanis should stop having this inferiority complex that Oxford/Harvard is superior. Politicians should be home-grown and should send their kids to Pakistani institutions.
Although I did not support PPP before, I am going to vote for them now since Imran Khan is not contesting the elections. Apart from being a truly national party the thing that impresses me most about PPP is that most of their top people are well-educated - Amin Fahim, Sherry Rehman, Fakhr-e-Imam, Begum Abida Hussain, Aitezaz Ehsan (a Cambridge-educated top lawyer, I think he's still in PPP). Bilawal will soon be an Oxford-grad. PML (N) apart from NS and Javed Hashmi is full of maulvi-type conservative people and gaamay maajay, dhuggas like Raja Zafar-ul-Haq etc.
Our military is khooni. First they killed the country's first democratically elected PM Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and I am more than convinced now that PML (Q) in collaboration with the lower ranks in our shady intelligence services killed BB, indirectly implicating Mush as PML (Q) is his lota party.
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But Zardari has clearly stated that he won't be the next PM even if PPP won the forthcoming elections. Amin Fahim is their likely candidate. Hence I have no problems with that. Some similarities with India there where Sonia Gandhi despite being the Congress Party chair-person asked Man Mohan Singh to form the government
and zardari will not have any influence or power in this set up?
tell me what government post does altaf hussein hold? zardari will be the same..calling all the shots in the background.
PPP leadership should show some backbone and find a better setup. as you noted there are educated leaders there. It was disappointing to see that they are willingly turnign ths party into a sole proprietership.
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wunderkind, i spent a term at templeton, if you become PM, could I get some appointment. since I was only there for a term, I cant be a minister etc, could you make me the ambassadot to costa rica? thank you
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It is pretty simple. Military elites of Pakistan are not doing this for Pakistan. They are in it for money and nothing else.
They rule this country like their daddy's jageer. Their lifestyles resemble those of kings and I guarantee you in the time of need... these elites will run out of the country.
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I agree, seen too many military brats living it up in US in a lifestyle that their daddy's military salary simply can not give, of course all ofthem claim tehy come from landowinign families, and military is just tradition. which i can accept in soem cases but not all.
who in Pakistan's leadership seems tro be doing it for pakistan? the late BB, her partner in crime asif zardari? nawaz? qazi? fazl? everyone has their own interests. even our mullahs who cash the anti americanism check at election time to get their votes send their kids to US, and/or go to US for medical treatments.
political party are run like jageer also, PPP is one case in point, and mullah party is another ... after all fazl ur rehman's daddy left his party for fazl.
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What good is this education if these politicians then plunder the state's resources and incite disaffection amongst the masses?
I have studied in Oxford myself - believe me, the place does not have any magic about it that transforms a person into a benevolent ruler. There have been plenty of African dictators and child-murderers who studied at Oxford. Even Bugti studied at Oxford - what did he end up as?
Look at how successful the Chinese are - how many of their leaders went to Oxford?
Pakistanis should stop having this inferiority complex that Oxford/Harvard is superior. Politicians should be home-grown and should send their kids to Pakistani institutions.
Brother I am a Cambridge-grad myself and I do believe that we need more educated people in our parliament and government. Yes our politicians have flawed in the past but democracy I believe is THE ONLY way forward.
And I also believe that NS and PPP's top people like Aitezaz have matured now. Let's strengthen democratic institutions and judiciary in our country first and we shall inshallah reap the benefits soon. Self-serving military dictators are no viable alternative either.
2007 has been a truly forgettable year for Mush, so much blood-shed and chaos. I think it's the bloodiest year in our history
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Brother I am a Cambridge-grad myself and I do believe that we need more educated people in our parliament and government. Yes our politicians have flawed in the past but democracy I believe is THE ONLY way forward.
And I also believe that NS and PPP's top people like Aitezaz have matured now. Let's strengthen democratic institutions and judiciary in our country first and we shall inshallah reap the benefits soon. Self-serving military dictators are no viable alternative either.
2007 has been a truly forgettable year for Mush, so much blood-shed and chaos. I think it's the bloodiest year in our history
when does 'our history' start for you?
PS: i dont disagree with anything else in your post.
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No matter how bad the political parties of Pakistan. Stable and ongoing democratic system would have weeded out the bad apples eventually. It was working just fine actually. Benazir would have had heck of a time getting re-elected given her past performance when Musharraf decided to take over.
Fazl-ur-rehman is not really a big player in Pakistan politics. The only person with any credentials left is Nawaz Sharif and that is not saying much. A new leader was going to emerge - if only Musharraf had let things be. It is still not too late. It requires Army elites to go back to doing the job they are hired for and stop being the haram khors that they have become.