Why does Pakistan still support Taliban?

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I PERSONALLY KNOW MEN WHO ARE IN AFGHANISTAN WITH ISAF AND PAKISTAN SHOULD BE ASHAMED . THERE SUPPORT AND THEIR BLIND EYE TO THE TALIBAN IS ABSOLUTELY DISCUSTING.

NY TIMES AND WASHINGTON TIMES AS I HAVE HEARD AND RECIEVED FIRST HAND INFORMATION ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT REGARDING

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^^Pakistan will do what is in its interests. Is the Taliban in Pakistan's interest? Yes, is Al Qaeda in Pakistan's interest, no. Does Pakistan want to have the US bombing or invading them, no, so will the US bomb Pakistan if it does not remove any Taliban hideouts, yes. So what then is it in Pakistan's interest to do? Answer, to get rid of Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

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Even if it is true to an extent, it should be Afghanistan who should be actually ashamed... when Pakistan first hinted mining/fencing the border it was them who cried foul, however it should be Afghanistan's responsibility to seal the border to Pakistan so every entry is documented and controlled.

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^^I very much doubt its true, and even if it were, every country is taking a piece of Afghanistan.

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Pakistan's best interest is served by giving a wide berth to such support or even perception of support. Whether one likes it or not, these things kill image investments and interests. Someone posted that strictly speaking ISI is only the 3 services and not a separate entity - that is a laughable thing to say to anyone who has lived in or had dealings with anyone in there. Regardless of past accomplishments ISI must return to its base charter so that they don't cause further harm from within. It is a hard thing to sau but bitter pill is needed.

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caps lock key broken?

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After five months, we have a post from a genius who sees beauty in donkeys tying knot in India and believes that miss afghanistan is (I quote) 'enlightened and modern and have FREEDOM to express without sunnah and hadith bondage which we all know was written by men'.

(Not that I have anything personal against any miss or mister Afghanistan, although I really don't know what these things are.)

pats uberalles' head Go easy on caps and try to be coherent next time while giving us your first hand information from this nic. Of course we need your first hand info to know the truth.pats uberalles' head again

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Sometimes I feel many people when talking about Taliban don't fully understand what they're talking about. The term Taliban probably means different things for different people. I, on a personal level, cannot support the kind of govt. Taliban established in Afghanistan, but I think Pakistan should accept any govt. people of Afghanistan choose for themselves, as long as this govt. (1)does not export its ideologies outside Afghanistan, (2)and does not host people who can be threat to international peace or neighboring countires.

We should rather be talking about fighting extremism and violence in the name of religion. What is the best way to wage jihad against extremism and violence is debatable. Iraq, after 'liberation' and democracy, is more 'Talibanized' than it was before the war. Should Pakistan also use military against 'Taliban' sympathizers living within its geographical boundaries? Will it really help win the war against extremist ideologies? What if Pakistan tries to diffuse the situation by a combination of political and military strategies? Isn't it better than labeling hundreds of thousands of people 'Taliban' or 'Taliban sympathizers' and declaring them the enemy we're going to militarily decimate? Is there any possibility of our being able to convince them not to impose their ideologies on others and become a part of political process? People can practice what they believe in. The objective should be to stop them from forcing their ideologies on others.

If Afghan govt. hates us so much, they should ask Afghan refugees living in Pakistan to return to their country. All of them. Then they can find out who's Taliban and who's not, and erect a fence along Pak-Afghan b.o.r.d.e.r. After that both countries can agree upon some kind of controlled procedure/mechanism for anyone who wants to move across the border.

I don't think Pakistan is supporting 'Taliban', but it seems there is growing dissatisfaction with the policies being followed in Afghanistan, especially with respect to Pakistan. Another reason for Musharraf not wanting to stir up the hornet's nest could be the election scheduled this year.

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*I dont think at the moments Taliban are getting any help from Govt of Pakistan. Local tribes may be supporting them and providing them hideouts. Reports from these news papers are just to put more pressure on Pakistan.
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Having said all this, lets assume for a minute that Pak govt is supporting Taliban even then it can be justified as states are not bound by morality (at least not in todays world). They may be supporting Talibans for the same reason

  • USA is supporting Israel
  • Champion of democracy USA is supporting "kings" of middle east
  • India is supporting Tamils in Sri Lanka

and as a matter of fact for the same reason USA supported Talibans and Sadam in their wars

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I could not have said it better myself… :k:

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Your patronization bemoans your argumentative stew as sublime. However, I am impressed , you have been reading and as they say mimicking or copying is indeed the sincerest form of compliment even though erroneously used within your text in an attempt to negate a truth which is very real and presently in existence.

And thank you for realizing it IS FIRST HAND INFORMATION and not merely gleaned from media

Pakistan originally was the first country to recognize and support the growth of Taliban in Afghanistan. The reason they still support them today is because they are struggling to eradicate from within their own country islamic fundamentalism and extremism. Heck, getting rid of the Hedud law (with the obvious loophole still in existence) is perfect example of the drek flows abundantly :teary1: within .

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What a load of absolute gibberish nonsense.

  1. Don’t overestimate your weak writing capabilities so as to sound like a complete idiot in your first line
  2. Pakistan did support the Taliban - true. So? It then dumped them when they became outlaws. Your reason for why they still support them today makes about as much sense as cleaning ones arse with a toothbrush and then brushing ones teeth
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Suddenly from last week this has been all over the news, not just in US but in international media. Just in th elast 48 hours I saw something in 2 US news papaers + something on TV + plus a BBC interview this morning with an ex-ISI official codenamed "Capt.Imam" who supposedly was a "teacher" of Mullah Omar back in the days of ISI developing the Taleban. He openly said following:

People ask me about Taleban and how I know them. I tell them "I know them as the young kids that used to come sit in my lap when I went visiting their parents to discuss" (he was ISI stationed in Afganistan for over a decade. He said Taleban are very good honest focused people that did commit mistakes but ins pite of those mistakes they were a better govt than that of Pakistan! (I donlt know if he meant current or past).

When asked he said "Mullah Omar is a sincere man, a great student that is still full of respect...even now when I want tosee him, he drops whatever he is doing and comes to me"!

Why all this sudden publicity about Pakistan I wonder

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Any links?

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^ link for what? this is stuff I read and heard on newspapers and radio. Words are mine to the best of my recollection - not verbatim quotes.

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^^ Do find where you dropped your brain and then go and find a hospital as soon as possible.

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hein? what did I do to earn such rebuke?

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I think there is a certain amount of logic behind Pakistans suspected support for the Taliban...
There is no trust for the Karzai govt. They may start to foment trouble at our western border and restart the Pakhtunistan thing...
The Pak establishment perfers groups like the Taliban because they arent a nationalist movement... Its the same reason that the MMA came into power in NWFP..
Karzai still refuses to recognize the Durrand line, and what guarantee does Pak have that he wont start making trouble again once Americans leave? So I suppose the Taliban must be their trump card in keeping the Pakhtun belt pacified. And ofcourse India must factor in aswell, since Kabul has usually been much closer to Delhi then Islamabad, with which they have always been confrontational.
This whole strategy is filled with holes, and its very dangerous, but the Pak govt isnt always known for its wisdom...
I think with the easing of tensions at the Eastern border, will help Pakistan to reevaluate their Afghan policy.
Pak has to trust its citizens, and at the ame time, Karzai has to be pressured to sign a peace deal where he accpets the Durrand line, or at the very least, promise not to interfere in NWFP.

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Your patronization bemoans your argumentative stew as sublime. However, I am impressed , you have been reading and as they say mimicking or copying is indeed the sincerest form of compliment even though erroneously used within your text in an attempt to negate a truth which is very real and presently in existence.

First sentence has a very complicated construct. I suggest you speak in the plain English to uneducated people like me. Just be coherent.

No my reply was not a compliment.

** And thank you for realizing it IS FIRST HAND INFORMATION and not merely gleaned from media

** Of course, it’s your first hand information. I realize that. I also realize that I have given your first hand information too much importance by reacting to it. Capital letters, red font … everything was desperately calling for attention. You were successful I must concede.

I don’t think I ‘erroneously used’ anything in my reply to your fist hand information. Well, maybe ‘seeing beauty in donkeys tying knots’ part was out context, which one may argue is a matter of personal aesthetics, but you see I have learnt in my life that the source of (dis)information is no less important than the (dis)information itself. So when ‘uberalles’ reemerged after five months to volunteer the first hand information, I had to find out more about the source of first hand information before analyzing the first hand information. After discovering that the source sees beauty in donkeys tying knots in India, but considers Muslim/Afghan women who follow Sunnah living in bondage, I didn’t have to analyze your fist hand information. It’s not that I’m criticizing your spiritual beliefs, whatever they are, but I (an anti-‘Taliban’ Muslim) would not like to take advantage of your expert opinion on Afghanistan. It’s like asking a person who mocks Hindu religion to comment on how India, a Hindu majority country, should make peace with Pakistan.

Nevertheless, you’re free to share your views with ordinary Afghans. I’m sure your first hand information informants can prove quite useful.

** Pakistan originally was the first country to recognize and support the growth of Taliban in Afghanistan. The reason they still support them today is because they are struggling to eradicate from within their own country islamic fundamentalism and extremism. Heck, getting rid of the Hedud law (with the obvious loophole still in existence) is perfect example of the drek flows abundantly :teary1: within.**

I don’t want to go into why Pakistan supported Taliban (or whether it was the right thing to do) or why India failed to condemn Russian invasion of Afghanistan and later extended military and diplomatic support to Northern Alliance warlords, but I’d request you to diversify your sources of first hand information. Information gleaned from watching Kabul Express is not going to make you a trustworthy source of information on Afghanistan.

But hey there is nothing wrong in watching Kabul Express. As I said it’s a matter of personal aesthetics.

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Don’t rebuke him. He reminds me of someone. :clown: