Re: Why do Shias beat upon themselves on 9/10 muharram
Brother Aqeel don’t be that upset - I ain’t a learned person.
Refer to the following hadith:
Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal extracted that Huthayfah (RA) has said that the Prophet (SAW) said: “The Prophecy will remain amongst you as long as Allah wills, then when Allah will he will take it away. Then it will be Khilafah Rashidah for as long as Allah wishes. Then when he wishes he will take it away. Then there will be hereditary leadership for as long as Allah wills. Then when Allah wills he will take it away. And then there will be tyrannical rule for as long as Allah wills. Then when he wills he will take it away. Then there will be a Khilafah on the method of the Prophet. And then the Prophet (SAW) remained silent.” [Musnad Imam Ahmed 4/273]
It clearly states that after Prophet’s (saw) passing away there will be Khilafah Rashidah.
First 5 in your list qualify for Khilafah Rashidah. Hz. Ali (ra) clearly states the selection of Hz. Abu Bakr, Hz. Umar and Hz. Uthman (May Allah be pleased with them) was with the pleasure of Allah.
Now read the sermon 6 of Nahjul Balagha – before that remove your sectarian tainted glasses.
Verily, the people who paid allegiance to Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman, have paid allegiance to me based on the same principles as the allegiance to them. So anyone who was present has no right to go against his pledge of allegiance, and anyone who was absent has no right to oppose it. And verily shura (consultation) is only the right of the Muhajirs and the Ansar. So if they decide upon a man and declare him their imam, then it is with the pleasure of Allah. If anyone goes against this decision, then he must be persuaded to follow the rest of the people. If he persists, then fight with him for leaving that which has been accepted by the believers. And Allah shall let him wander misguided and not guide him.
Points worth noting:
Hz. Ali’s (ra) appointment to Khilafate me based on the same principles as that of Hz. Abu Bakr, Hz. Umar and Hz. Uthman (May Allah be pleased with them all).
anyone who was present has no right to go against his pledge of allegiance
anyone who was absent has no right to oppose it
shura (consultation) is only the right of the Muhajirs and the Ansar
if they decide upon a man and declare him their IMAM, then it is with the pleasure of Allah.
If anyone goes against this decision, then he must be persuaded to follow the rest of the people
If anyone goes against this decision, then he must be persuaded to follow the rest of the people.
If he persists, then fight with him for leaving that which has been accepted by the believers
And Allah shall let him wander misguided and not guide him
Note that Hz. Ali (ra) has used the word IMAM in point No. 5.
Now do you agree with Imam Ali (ra). Remember you take him to be your First infallible Imam!!!
Imam Ali (ra) has got the sequence right in spite you feeling otherwise.
You must heed your first Imam rather than ayatullahs and zakirs
if first 5 claiphs r appointed with the pleasure of ALLAH then it was also ALLAHS will to appoint next 2. Ferro cudnt have been king without ALLAHS will. u get the point.
I didnt bother reading ur post since i read ur logic of rating Abu Bakar better than ALI a.s on basis of being 1st caliph.
However u need to read ur posts while u post em. You copied same sermon twice. Point #6 and #7 are same in both posts.
Also lecture # 6 in Nahjul blagha isnt what u posted.http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/6.htm